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[TEWR]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Which means that any Circle mage that has passed the Harrowing is qualified. Now all they need to do, is turn to the dark side...

You misunderstand. It's not like that.

It's basically... I think the Scrolls were encouraging merging with the demon but mastering it. If the tales of Flemeth are to be believed -- I don't believe the one about her and Osen and whatnot -- then that's basically it.

Become an Abomination and master the demon.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Yeah, EWR is right. If the scrolls of Banastor are correct, it's not a matter of throwing around some blood and cutting a deal with a demon, but turning the standard abomination mold on its head with the host being in control of the demon instead of the other way around.

That said though, I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is an absolute requirement for controlling another person's thoughts. Lesser demonic aid would likely suffice, or we'll have to figure out how Idunna was an uber-abomination despite her being easily overcome.

Ultimately there's too much we don't know, and I doubt The Rules will ever be fully explained even if they've been fully defined.

[nightscrawl]

Just to add to the discussion, here is David talking about blood magic at PAX East...

Q: And just a slight lore question: with Jowan, and Merrill, and Hawke, and the Warden being able to be a Blood Mage as well, it seems to me that to be a Blood Mage you don't necessarily have to be corrupt. Is that true, or am I just imagining it? Like it seems like you could be a good person, yet still be a Blood Mage.

A David: It's not corruption in the way that the Blight is a corruption... A lot of it is opinion and fear, [of] the things that a Blood Mage is capable of. Which, as we're moving forward, we'd like to show that a little bit more, especially the mind control. And it is based on people who have that kind of power, the ability to influence other people's minds, the temptation to misuse it is a corruption. That kind of power is corrupting, right? That's the danger, not a physical "I suddenly turn to the dark side and my eyes have gone black" kind of corruption.

[dragonflight288]

The major problem with blood magic is that because it's so awesomely powerful and apparently capable of doing just about anything, even curing the Taint, once you open the door for players to use some of these abilities they'll start to question places where said skills are mysteriously not allowed to be used.

For instance, blood magic can be used to enter another person's dreams and view/manipulate them. If you're allowed to do this at one point for a quest, why not later for another NPC where it'd be really useful? It'd be cool roleplaying if I could walk into Loghain's dreams and convince him he's out of his mind. But that won't happen, or it wouldn't change the fact there'd still be a Landsmeet and duel/fight because, hey, content the devs don't want you to miss. Same reaason why rogues can't lockpick every single locked door.

Blood magic does have roleplaying potential, yes, but it's dangerous roleplaying potential because it's a class with powers that can effectively break the game. Whatever Bioware allows with a BM PC is going to have to be something they shouldn't be able to do any time they open a vein.

Actually we don't know if blood magic can cure the taint or not. Merrill outright says that she knew how to do it, but if she had lyrium she would've been able to use that. But she didn't so she needed something else to power the magic. Blood magic was only used as a power booster for cleansing the shard. It could've been a spell from the school of creation powered and amplified by blood magic.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I'll give you the bit that she says she could have done it with lyrium. What I don't understand is how it was possible at all, unless cleansing taint from an object is more(?) possible than cleansing taint from a being (not that that's impossible either *hooks thumb at Fiona*).

[Dakota Strider]

Blood apparently is a power source, that is only rivalled by large amounts of lyrium. In DAO, you could either use Blood Magic to send a mage to the fade to save the Arl's brat, or you could get a group of mages from the Circle with lyrium to do the same thing.

[Jestina]

I was sick of blood magic after DAII. Everyone outside the circle, including your Elf companion became a freaking blood mage. That's just too over doing it.

[dragonflight288]

I'll give you the bit that she says she could have done it with lyrium. What I don't understand is how it was possible at all, unless cleansing taint from an object is more(?) possible than cleansing taint from a being (not that that's impossible either *hooks thumb at Fiona*).

Without further knowledge, it's impossible to know. Now I'm sure cleansing a broken mirror shard is much easier than cleansing a person who's entire physical makeup has been changed by the Joining in a blood magic ritual (their heart pumping tainted blood, would mean their own hear would be tainted as well...or at least roughly every cell in their body.)

For cleansing a human or elf...maybe blood magic is required. Maybe it's an overpowered Spirit Healer spell (Anders temporarily curing Bartrand's madness) maybe it's a high level creation spell, but obviously not impossible.

Without further data, I simply cannot speculate further. But I do know that Merethari was able to combat the taint in the Dalish Warden, or at least hold it off temporarily with only the magic she naturally had. No blood magic or lyrium, but was unable to cure the taint with what she had. With enough lyrium or blood magic...she may have been able to cure the Dalish Warden.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 02 mai 2012 - 03:44 .