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Daro'Xen, the Geth and the Citadel (an apparently cut quest)


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Thank god this was dropped. The attempts to villainize Xen via Tali were some of the most face-palm worthy of ME2.

If anything, we needed more chances to be in Xen's corner. There's quite a bit of basis to say that the Geth are simply complex machines, not living souls. The forced concession is rather annoying if you don't buy into it.


Xen's quest does add more credence to the "synthetics v. organics. Pick a side" elements of the endgame.

The issue with that is that, thanks to ME3 especially, the entire Geth-Quarian conflict was a one-sided affair. Throwing Xen on it just makes the Quarians further complicit, and even less onus on synthetics.

What ME3 really needed was a relevant return of the Heretics. We needed synthetics (that weren't Reapers) who were unapologetically uninterested in peace or coexistence with organics.


I noticed that too.

It seemed like the game was trying very hard to convince me that the Geth are people too.

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... i just wanted more scenes with with Tali. is that so wrong?

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darthnick427 wrote...

........why the hell was this cut?


Leaked script.  It was so so so so so much better than the final product, honestly.

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I really thought Admiral Xen would play a bigger role in ME3 with all that talk in ME2.

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SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

........why the hell was this cut?


Leaked script.  It was so so so so so much better than the final product, honestly.

Yeah, reading it now. It still has some of the same problems, plot-wise, but it had about a third of the plotholes we have in the end, and not much ones that got plugged. I understand the problems of managing as large-scale a project as this, but planning for a GRANDIOSE THING and then cutting it down to BIG THING while leaving obviously bricked-up doorways that lead nowhere is kinda insulting. "This is where cool stuff would've went had we had more time or less ambition".

If I see any more cut stuff that amounts to more than a single line of dialogue, I'll be making more threads like this one. Y/N?

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hoodaticus wrote...

It wasn't cut. It's DLC.


Yeah, DLC that wouldn't work if you didn't got peace with geth and quarians.

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lol I love Xen.

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Don't discount it so quickly. It can always come back as future DLC!

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I think we will see it as a future DLC. They will never fob Claudia "Morrigan" Black of with a few minor appearances.

Modifié par Bfler, 01 mai 2012 - 07:38 .


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Noelemahc wrote...
If I see any more cut stuff that amounts to more than a single line of dialogue, I'll be making more threads like this one. Y/N?

Yes.
And thank you for this. Mandatory drop into conventional warfare list.

And I know where this quest went. The same place those two guys who were scanning keepers in ME1 went.
Can't study the citadel, nope, that would be ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as trying to develop new ways of fighting reapers. Who does that when attacked, right? Absolute nonsense.

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The same place those two guys who were scanning keepers in ME1 went.Can't study the citadel, nope, that would be ridiculous.


I thought they were nicely wrapped up in ME2. Slowpoke is slow and all that. Halfway through ME2 you get an e-mail from Chorban saying that the Keepers are part of a cyclical mechanism and the cycle should've come about somewhen now, etc, etc. It felt characteristically "too little, too late" his original quest in ME1 felt like, too.
Found more scraps which may pertain to this quest (the speaker is apparently Tali, as mentions of Ilos and also see below):

Shepard, have you got a minute? C-Sec asked for my help with something.

Here, I'll send you the signal frequency. Now, if you can scan that keeper...

Link in to your omni-tool's optic link. See anything?

That's the keeper's trail. It leaves a residue when it works.

Follow the tracks. Hopefully there's one nearby.

Excellent. With luck, they'll lead to another affected keeper, and we can triangulate the signal's location.

Remember Vigil back on Ilos? He said that the keepers were built to respond to Reaper signals.

It might be nothing, but if this has something to do with the Reapers...

The whole Citadel's been acting strangely lately.

Lag on the main channels, garbage data in basic signals.

Maybe those Cerberus bastards damaged something. God, I want payback.

I've never seen a signal like this.

Which indicates that this would've taken place post-coup (not a big surprise, actually).
Journal entry:

<id>701917 <position>88659 C-Sec Officer Jordan Noles needs help tracking a possible hacking problem that has disabled several keepers. Track keeper activity across the Presidium Commons.

<id>701918 <position>88660 Citadel: Malfunctioning Keepers


Talking to Noles:

Noles: Jordyn Noles, E-Crimes. It's an honor to meet you, Commander.
Shepard: What's going on?
Noles: We detected an anomalous transmission recently. We think it shut down some of the keepers.
Noles: They asked me to help track the signal.
Noles: No, just unresponsive. Keepers self-destruct when they die.
Noles: That's why we're trying to keep this quiet. There's enough to worry about already.
Noles: Tell Vakarian to kick their asses for me, next time you run into them.
Shepard: You knew Garrus?
Noles: Yeah, back when he was at C-Sec. Good officer. Little angry, though.
Shepard: That's a shock.
Noles: I'm pretty sure Bailey thought we were all dead until you folks came in.

And further on:

Tali?: Shepard, we've found bodies. Refugees, I think. They've been electrocuted.
Shepard:Keep an open channel.
Tali: Roger that, Commander.
Noles: Officer requesting backup. I have multiple DBs, cause unknown.
Tali?: Shepard, we've got gunshots up ahead!
Tali: We're going in!


Aaaaand here's Tali!

Shepard: Tali, what's going on?
Tali: Xen? Shepard, it's Admiral Xen!
Tali: Xen, stand down!
(Noles?): Ma'am, you are under arrest. Deactivate your omni-tool or I will--
Tali: Noles is down!

And that's where the apprehension scene apparently goes.

But before that, we get a Mad Scientist moment:

Commander Shepard! How lovely. Another interruption.

What are you talking about? The geth are dead!

The geth could have served us! They were built to serve us!

By destroying a Reaper, Shepard made Rannoch a target. And we now lack geth army to protect us!

I've combed through the biggest sites on Rannoch, and you know what I found?

Nothing! Nothing that can save us! And so I have chosen to take independent action.

This is apparently if you destroyed the geth.


So, this would've went like Zaeed's quest - Shepard walks around the Presidium, looking at Keepers, while most of the ackshun happens via radio.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 01 mai 2012 - 08:46 .


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Abreu Road wrote...

Ok, it's official.

ME3 is the new KOTOR2



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This is not how I would like to see Xen subplot resolved, but it would have been better than nothing.
Though it would have probably railroaded even the most renegade players into disapproving of Xen's experiments (though my Shepard would have let her go on) and leave us pissed as hell

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The choices available, as I understand, were to kill her, or arrest her and ship her to the Crucible project under guard. No alternatives. There's more dialogue in there, but it's harder to put in order, which goes along the lines of

Tali: You're letting her go?
Shepard: Into jail.

It would've been good to have this quest as it shows the other backside of the war we never see, and not everybody reads the Codex -- how desperate can desperate measures go? All we get in dialogue is the story of the colony that preferred nuking themselves in the Reaper's face rather than get assimilated.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 01 mai 2012 - 09:12 .


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Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Xen: Are you sleeping with him, Tali? Did someone get her induction filter popped on Pilgrimage? Or are you just stupid?

BEST LINE EVER!



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Noelemahc wrote...

No, you're not the only one. In fact, I believe that was the REAL reason this was cut - to further the rather flakey fake inevitability of activating the Crucible instead of saying "why use this Aperture-Science-We-Don't-Know-What-It-Does ™ when we have a perfectly good comp00ter virus that lets us use the Citadel against the Reapers anyhoos in addition to boiling Reaper brains in their hulls"?


This makes you wonder, what Mass Effect 3 would have been like if they had set their priority right.

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.....This need to be a dlc....Now!!!!!

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Mesina2 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

It wasn't cut. It's DLC.


Yeah, DLC that wouldn't work if you didn't got peace with geth and quarians.

Didyou read the plot of this? It has a geth destoryed version of it...

If you eliminated the geth: 
" <string>        <id>722779</id>        <position>100216</position>        <data>From: Admiral Daro'Xen vas Moreh
Shepard, the Council won't listen to me and is threatening to have me jailed. For all the geth resources we found on Rannoch, we still don't have the technology it will take to hold off the Reapers, but what we found did give me ideas for experiments that could help halt the Reaper advance. You're a Spectre. Use your authorization to get me the tools I need to complete these experiments... before it's too late.</data>    </string> "

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Noelemahc wrote...

But before that, we get a Mad Scientist moment:

Commander Shepard! How lovely. Another interruption.

What are you talking about? The geth are dead!

The geth could have served us! They were built to serve us!

By destroying a Reaper, Shepard made Rannoch a target. And we now lack geth army to protect us!

I've combed through the biggest sites on Rannoch, and you know what I found?

Nothing! Nothing that can save us! And so I have chosen to take independent action.

This is apparently if you destroyed the geth.


So, this would've went like Zaeed's quest - Shepard walks around the Presidium, looking at Keepers, while most of the ackshun happens via radio.

.....Ok, now I know they are making this dlc. 

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SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

........why the hell was this cut?


Leaked script.  It was so so so so so much better than the final product, honestly.

Why did people think ME3 was going to suck because of it?

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dreman9999 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

It wasn't cut. It's DLC.


Yeah, DLC that wouldn't work if you didn't got peace with geth and quarians.

Didyou read the plot of this? It has a geth destoryed version of it...

If you eliminated the geth: 
" <string>        <id>722779</id>        <position>100216</position>        <data>From: Admiral Daro'Xen vas Moreh
Shepard, the Council won't listen to me and is threatening to have me jailed. For all the geth resources we found on Rannoch, we still don't have the technology it will take to hold off the Reapers, but what we found did give me ideas for experiments that could help halt the Reaper advance. You're a Spectre. Use your authorization to get me the tools I need to complete these experiments... before it's too late.</data>    </string> "

Either way there is no Quarian destroy version, which could make some DLC purchasers unhappy because they would not be able to acces the purchased content (not without BioWare forcing them to save Quarians). This could be "fixed" by making Xen some kind of last survivor of her species, but something like "Xen: Shepard, since you recently destroyed my species, you owe me a favour..." sounds lame at best.
Many of the dialogues use Tali who could have died in ME2.

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dreman9999 wrote...

.....This need to be a dlc....Now!!!!!

A four-minute sidequest, most of which would be walking across the citadel, that further lampshades the Geth-Quarian conflict into the role of the stupid-evil quarians is how you want Bioware to spend it's DLC efforts?

Not, say, the ending, or the huge dangling plot thread of Omega?

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Either way there is no Quarian destroy version, which could make some DLC purchasers unhappy because they would not be able to acces the purchased content (not without BioWare forcing them to save Quarians).

Har har, cannot have Xen with Quarians gone. Maybe that's why it was cut, ackshwally. Good point.

Not, say, the ending, or the huge dangling plot thread of Omega?

Wanna have a separate thread for its dialogues? There's a few in the TLK file also =)

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

.....This need to be a dlc....Now!!!!!

A four-minute sidequest, most of which would be walking across the citadel, that further lampshades the Geth-Quarian conflict into the role of the stupid-evil quarians is how you want Bioware to spend it's DLC efforts?

Not, say, the ending, or the huge dangling plot thread of Omega?

Not as is....BW can make it larger and better...Use some imationation.
Also, bw is already making dlc for the end and Omega is romure to be dlc any way

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 mai 2012 - 12:50 .


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Seriously, this would have been great.
Like a true end to the Dark Energy plot line [Whether in ending or not, IDC, so long as it was wrapped up], and another un in with Gianna Parisini, or having Emily Wong still around.