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[Haargel]

-Draikin- wrote...

This is how I view the ending choices from a "perfect" Paragon playthrough viewpoint:

a) Destroy: betray your allies
Control: betray everything you stood for
c) Synthesis: betray the entire galaxy

Either way, you lose.

[d-boy15]

Subject M wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

the destroy option has 3 outcome based on you ems

- low = galaxy doomed.
- medium = most tech gone, reaper dead, synthatic life wipe out.
- high = synthatic life wipe out, reaper dead.

Are geth saved if EMS is low?

galaxy doomed = everything gone include reaper, you save nothing in this outcome.

[Kunari801]

Pelle6666 wrote...

No, I felt terrible, even worse than I would for the asari! I just couldn't handle the idea to sell out and become Saren or TIM in the last second!
All the ending options made me incredibly sad and angry! They simply make no sense and the explanation the catalyst is giving us for the reaper invasion sucks!

^- That pretty much was my thinking too. 

Control and Synthesis wasn't an option for me at all.  Plus star-brat said my Shepard was also going to die in Destroy, since star-brat lied about my death, I hope the Geth and EDI can be "rebooted" from backups. 

-Draikin- wrote...

This is how I view the ending choices from a "perfect" Paragon playthrough viewpoint:

a) Destroy: betray your allies
Control: betray everything you stood for
c) Synthesis: betray the entire galaxy

Either way, you lose.

 



 

Modifié par Kunari801, 01 mai 2012 - 03:45 .

[nitefyre410]

Kunari801 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

No, I felt terrible, even worse than I would for the asari! I just couldn't handle the idea to sell out and become Saren or TIM in the last second!
All the ending options made me incredibly sad and angry! They simply make no sense and the explanation the catalyst is giving us for the reaper invasion sucks!

^- That pretty much was my thinking too. 

Control and Synthesis wasn't an option for me at all.  Plus star-brat said my Shepard was also going to die in Destroy, since star-brat lied about my death, I hope the Geth and EDI can be "rebooted" from backups. 

 

 


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[BatmanPWNS]

I killed the toasters on Rannoch. Me and Tali had a great laugh after that.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 01 mai 2012 - 03:50 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

I killed the toasters on Rannoch. Me and Tali had a great laugh after that.

I saw the video; she feels sad that she had to kill her friend. Didn't look like laughing.

Unless your Legion died pre-ME3, in which case I guess the reaction might be different.

[HellbirdIV]

If wiping out one species preserved all the others, that is the choice Shepard would inevitably take. It's called "Making a tough call" and it's something military officers are specifically trained to do in times of war, much less times of near galactic extinction.

I didn't feel bad about wiping out the geth, even though I had sided with them over the quarians and gotten the quarians wiped out.. simply because if I didn't wipe them out, everyone would be dead except for the geth... who would have their sapience taken away and be repurposed into a mindless slave race for the Reapers, effectively killing them as well.

[Subject M]

d-boy15 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

the destroy option has 3 outcome based on you ems

- low = galaxy doomed.
- medium = most tech gone, reaper dead, synthatic life wipe out.
- high = synthatic life wipe out, reaper dead.

Are geth saved if EMS is low?

galaxy doomed = everything gone include reaper, you save nothing in this outcome.

So then its better to do nothing and allow the harvest.

[Subject M]

Kunari801 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

No, I felt terrible, even worse than I would for the asari! I just couldn't handle the idea to sell out and become Saren or TIM in the last second!
All the ending options made me incredibly sad and angry! They simply make no sense and the explanation the catalyst is giving us for the reaper invasion sucks!

^- That pretty much was my thinking too. 

Control and Synthesis wasn't an option for me at all.  Plus star-brat said my Shepard was also going to die in Destroy, since star-brat lied about my death, I hope the Geth and EDI can be "rebooted" from backups. 

-Draikin- wrote...

This is how I view the ending choices from a "perfect" Paragon playthrough viewpoint:

a) Destroy: betray your allies
Control: betray everything you stood for
c) Synthesis: betray the entire galaxy

Either way, you lose.

 



 

I think one should try to stay away from guilt by association. Controll or Synthesis does not turn you into Illusive man or Saren, nor does it mean you share all their their values or goals.

[incinerator950]

I fail to see why people are saying the Catalyst said you would die in Destruction. It's reminding Shepard that s/he is part synthetic and asking how would your life be without them now.

It's not lying to you, it's explaining to you what you're going to choose.

[Pockydon]

Navasha wrote...

No... If the Destroy option stated that it would kill all humans, but allowed the galaxy to live.... I still would have chose it.

The race in question isn't the issue. Its like wiping out NYC with a nuclear bomb in order to stop a deadly virus from killing everyone on Earth. Yes, its a horrible decision.... but the RIGHT one.

The other two options are only MORE horrific.

This^

[Dendio1]

M0keys wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...

That's one of the reasons I picked Control. It just was horrible brutal and plain dumb. Not only are you giving in to Catalyst's logic but you're punishing your allies for what your enemy did. It's like killing a serial killer's family on the vague chance one of them may become a serial killer.

Whereas in control you are letting off the Reapers scott free without even an inkling that you will be able to control them at all after you are "Dead" and "lose everything".  That isn't what your allies and subordinates signed on for, so I consider this a betrayal.

-Polaris

They're all betrayal. Seriously. Each one is a certain game's main villain's modus operandi.

destroy = reapers
control = tim
synthesis = saren

you pick any of them, you prove that shepard fought for nothing. only actual choice is to walk around and wait for the crucible to randomly explode.

This

choose to do the reapers job and destroy synthetics
Tims job and control
or sarens job and synthesis to the reapers ideal

Modifié par Dendio1, 01 mai 2012 - 04:36 .

[StElmo]

you don't HAVE to choose Destroy. You could always be the new Hitler and promote synthesis. Or maybe deal with some lovely power and corruption with Illusive Man's plan.

oh god ):

Modifié par StElmo, 01 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[survivor_686]

Wait a second aren't the geth, machines? Can't machines be restarted?

[Dendio1]

StElmo wrote...

you don't HAVE to choose Destroy. You could always be the new Hitler and promote synthesis. Or maybe deal with some lovely power and corruption with Illusive Man's plan.

oh god ):

Funny I consider Destroy as another Hitler option. Geth Holocaust is the final solution

[DDG4005]

The Catalyst could have been lying, there's really no way to be certain. 

[frylock23]

Dendio1 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I imagine if you wiped out the turians or the asari would you feel worse?

Its pretty evil of shepard to do such a thing. Making a backroom deal with the enemy that wipes out his ally as they fight for him.

What?  It's not a deal.  It's not like the Catalyst says "We'll leave, but only if you destroy the Geth!" and then you shake hands.  The death of synthetic life is an unfortunate side effect of implementing the Crucible to end the war with the Reapers - collateral damage.

It is entirely regrettable, but let us all remember one thing - every single individual that gathered at Earth understands that they are fighting for the right for the Galaxy to self-determinate.  Each of us must be ready to sacrifice ourselves and possibly more  if it means that future generations will no longer be subject to the Reaper's tyrannous cycle.

Certainly less evil then allowing a false sense of peace.

How Ironic that the geth initially sided with the reapers purely for survival. Self determination takes a back seat next to non existance for them. They let the reapers control them fully. Yet they believed in shepard and decided to fight for the organics against the old machines. The cut content has geth prime deliberatly say they are fighting for their survival.

Looks like they should have stayed with the reapers after all.

Everyone in the galaxy is fighting for their survival, and there was no guarantee that anyone was going to survive not even that geth prime even if you didn't choose an option and there was a way of entirely conventional means, it could have been taken out by a Reaper beam. It still would not have survived.

The Reapers could have won entirely, and it would not have survived.

Lucky for me, in  my only completed playthrough, I had no geth and no problems with that particular issue.

[frylock23]

DDG3595 wrote...

The Catalyst could have been lying, there's really no way to be certain. 

 
And in my other playthroughs, the ones I refuse to finish because it's the only way I can stomach playing the game. I do have the geth left. I will still pick Destroy if push comes to shove because I prefer to believe this.

The Star Brat is a lying Reaper construct. I can't trust that he's telling me the truth, so I have to gamble.

[Subject M]

survivor_686 wrote...

Wait a second aren't the geth, machines? Can't machines be restarted?

The human body is a biological machine, it can be restarted given certain conditions.
But that was one of the strange things with ME2. The information loss should not have been reversible unless Shepards brain was intact and not severly damaged.

[frylock23]

Dendio1 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

you don't HAVE to choose Destroy. You could always be the new Hitler and promote synthesis. Or maybe deal with some lovely power and corruption with Illusive Man's plan.

oh god ):

Funny I consider Destroy as another Hitler option. Geth Holocaust is the final solution

BioWare gave us a game where no matter what you pick, you cannot win. That's one of the biggest problems with the ending. No matter what they say about "best" ending, they are all morally repulsive and they all make you the biggest loser in the history of history.

Synthesis is intergalactic genocide of all life, organic and synthetic
Destroy is genocide of all synthetic life (boy I feel they tossed that in to make us choose something else)
Control is slavery that may or may not work since you may or may not be controllable yourself

[agu123]

If I recall correctly, the Geth themselves made a similar choice when they decided to let the Reapers control them after the Quarians attacked.

[IanPolaris]

agu123 wrote...

If I recall correctly, the Geth themselves made a similar choice when they decided to let the Reapers control them after the Quarians attacked.

Yes and the Geth discovered they made the wrong choice and a devil's bargin.  Legion comments that the Geth never thought the Reapers would so thoroughly infect their code and control their concensus.  If you speak to the Geth Prime on Earth (currently possible only if you kill the Quarians but IMO should have been possible with peace), he will tell you that the Reapers tried to contact the Geth again, and the Geth turned them down stone cold flat.  The Geth after Rannoch would rather die than go under Reaper control again.

-Polaris

[Orumon]

ragnorok87 wrote...

Navasha wrote...

No... If the Destroy option stated that it would kill all humans, but allowed the galaxy to live.... I still would have chose it.

The race in question isn't the issue. Its like wiping out NYC with a nuclear bomb in order to stop a deadly virus from killing everyone on Earth. Yes, its a horrible decision.... but the RIGHT one.

The other two options are only MORE horrific.

i would have rather had the humans die then the geth

Hnh, it's a tricky choice. If given the choice between having to slaughter an allied race or running th risk of beings who are inherently destructive and ungodly powerful trying for a second chance to kill everyone, I'd choose to destroy the allied race, given the stakes on show.

However, if given the choice between WHICH species was slaughtered? Hmm, I'd choose the Protheans. Only one person still alive being killed. A shame, I liked Javik, but in the end I'm sure he'd understand.

Okay, seriously, I'd probably choose the asari. They weren't going anywhere culturally or technologically (2000+years of more or less technological and strategic stasis) and had, despite being given a vast array of advantages including valuable access to information that could have been used to prepare weapons against the reapers, actively contributed to the state of unreadiness throughout the galaxy.

[Stalker]

Asari, Turian, Human, doesn't matter.
I would have sacrificed every other race the same way as I did with Geth, if I can save the galaxy from the Reapers once and for all.

[agu123]

IanPolaris wrote...

agu123 wrote...

If I recall correctly, the Geth themselves made a similar choice when they decided to let the Reapers control them after the Quarians attacked.

Yes and the Geth discovered they made the wrong choice and a devil's bargin.  Legion comments that the Geth never thought the Reapers would so thoroughly infect their code and control their concensus.  If you speak to the Geth Prime on Earth (currently possible only if you kill the Quarians but IMO should have been possible with peace), he will tell you that the Reapers tried to contact the Geth again, and the Geth turned them down stone cold flat.  The Geth after Rannoch would rather die than go under Reaper control again.

-Polaris

Yes I remember that part, the Geth Prime claims they will not relinquish sentience and so they won't let the Reapers control them.