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[Grimwick]

NB - They weren't actually fighting for their survival with you originally...

I like the geth and I side for peace, but they had free will when they chose to side with the reapers initially - even if their collective intelligence was momentarily dimmed.

[coomber]

One day you will all realise that complaining that the ending wasn't happy enough was a bit daft.

[DLClol]

They actually become individuals with Legion's upload, so yes you just commited genocide against your friends that helped you.

Its either that or galaxy wide genetic rape, or mass slavery

control honestly sounds the best

Modifié par DLClol, 01 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[IanPolaris]

coomber wrote...

One day you will all realise that complaining that the ending wasn't happy enough was a bit daft.

I would settle for an ending that worked and was consistant with the main genre and themes of the series.  Right now the ending(s) are like a junior high schooler turning in a nearly blank piece of paper and expecting an "A" to respect his "artistic vision".

-Polaris

[ArtGerhardt]

I had this thought today:

Since having a high EMS and choosing destroy reduces human casualties, saves shepard, possibly EDI, and doesn't fry biotic tech/implants, would it be possible if some geth platforms survived the blast? Like, your crucible crew did such a good job that you were able to just barely keep a few of the geth alive.

If you let the Geth wipe you the quarians, you'll notice in the description for the debris that it was posssible that a few quarian ships FTL'ed the **** out of there. It wouldn't surprise me if some geth survived, like ones that weren't in the fight or near a mass relay.

They loose A LOT of conscious abilities due to the reduced program count though.

Modifié par ArtGerhardt, 01 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[survivor_686]

Bear in mind we are wiping out the Reapers was well. Geth are a collateral damage, sad but true.

I'm sure the Geth would have understood, especially after they saw the options available.

Every sentient has the right to self-determine.

[MakeMineMako]

Subject M wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

the destroy option has 3 outcome based on you ems

- low = galaxy doomed.
- medium = most tech gone, reaper dead, synthatic life wipe out.
- high = synthatic life wipe out, reaper dead.

Are geth saved if EMS is low?

galaxy doomed = everything gone include reaper, you save nothing in this outcome.

So then its better to do nothing and allow the harvest.

Better to fight the good fight than to lose your soul.

[StElmo]

survivor_686 wrote...

Bear in mind we are wiping out the Reapers was well. Geth are a collateral damage, sad but true.

I'm sure the Geth would have understood, especially after they saw the options available.

Every sentient has the right to self-determine.

I god damn wouldn't

No way would I be happy with that if I was a geth.

[IanPolaris]

StElmo wrote...

survivor_686 wrote...

Bear in mind we are wiping out the Reapers was well. Geth are a collateral damage, sad but true.

I'm sure the Geth would have understood, especially after they saw the options available.

Every sentient has the right to self-determine.

I god damn wouldn't

No way would I be happy with that if I was a geth.

Talk to Legion if you destroyed the Heretics.  He APPROVES.  He says that you decision was logical and that was why the Geth asked you to make it.

-Polaris

[savionen]

The Geth SIDED with the Reapers to survive, they wouldn't just accept rolling over to defeat them.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

survivor_686 wrote...

I'm sure the Geth would have understood

Just like Legion understands if you don't have enough points to call off the quarian fleet and have to stop him from finishing uploading the Reaper code, right? Oh wait...

[IanPolaris]

savionen wrote...

The Geth SIDED with the Reapers to survive, they wouldn't just accept rolling over to defeat them.

Actually they would.  If you talk with the Geth Prime (or even Legion), the Reapers offer peace to the Geth after Rannoch and the Geth turn them down flat and throw their fate with their fellow sentients.  The Geth made a mistake and Legion himself even tells you that the Geth had no idea that the Reapers would so thoroughly infiltrate and control their concensus.  The Geth post Rannoch are very clear that they would rather die than see the Old Machines win.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

survivor_686 wrote...

I'm sure the Geth would have understood

Just like Legion understands if you don't have enough points to call off the quarian fleet and have to stop him from finishing uploading the Reaper code, right? Oh wait...

Not the same situation.  Legion is offering to help you and is asking you to help his people survive.  He doesn't want to destroy the Quarians but if the Quarians keep firing....well.....  If you don't see it his way, then he has nothing left to lose.  In the case of the final battle, however, the entire Geth race is there knowing that they might not surivive as individuals or as a race and fight anyway.

-Polaris

[Tapkomet]

Why do people say betraying allies is better than controlling the Reapers? I mean, make them rebuild the relays, then make them build a body for Shepard, then make them fly into a black hole. Starchild implies that Shepard won't die completely. If, however, controlling means only giving them one order, then just make them fly into a black hole. EDI and Geth are saved.
Now:
-To choose control is to trust Starchild - so is every other option
-Control is TIM's way - but we kill them anyway, and that isn't his way.
-Yes, the ending is bad.

[MakeMineMako]

IanPolaris wrote...

savionen wrote...

The Geth SIDED with the Reapers to survive, they wouldn't just accept rolling over to defeat them.

Actually they would.  If you talk with the Geth Prime (or even Legion), the Reapers offer peace to the Geth after Rannoch and the Geth turn them down flat and throw their fate with their fellow sentients.  The Geth made a mistake and Legion himself even tells you that the Geth had no idea that the Reapers would so thoroughly infiltrate and control their concensus.  The Geth post Rannoch are very clear that they would rather die than see the Old Machines win.

-Polaris

That can be easily interpreted as "We fight to the last platform and program" rather than acceptance of  being so callously sacrificed just to kill off the Reapers.

But if it makes one feel good about the "Destroy" ending, by all means have at it.

[Navasha]

savionen wrote...

The Geth SIDED with the Reapers to survive, they wouldn't just accept rolling over to defeat them.

If 100 people were trapped in a room with a bomb that was about to explode and the ONLY way to disable the bomb meant that 10 people had to die saving the other 90.    It is still the RIGHT thing to do.  

I am sure that those 10 might not see it that way, but doesn't mean it wasn't the correct choice.    Yes, its tough to be the person that has to make that decision, but someone has to do it. 

[Thorn Harvestar]

Their sacrifice will be remembered in the coming empire.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Ruthless calculus of war. It happened to be the Geth because of stupid ending, but if it was the Krogans, Asari, even us silly humies, I would probably have done it too. Hell, that would have tied into the whole sacrifice thing neatly; an ending where you choose which race gets wiped out (or at least loses the vast majority of its population) to delay the Reapers or somesuch. Would certainly have been better than being forced to genocide the Geth if you actually want a solution to the Reaper problem because of the horrible plot.

[Vox Draco]

Tapkomet wrote...

Why do people say betraying allies is better than controlling the Reapers? I mean, make them rebuild the relays, then make them build a body for Shepard, then make them fly into a black hole. Starchild implies that Shepard won't die completely. If, however, controlling means only giving them one order, then just make them fly into a black hole. EDI and Geth are saved.
Now:
-To choose control is to trust Starchild - so is every other option
-Control is TIM's way - but we kill them anyway, and that isn't his way.
-Yes, the ending is bad.

The Starchild also says Shepard will lose everything she has...whatever is uploaded to control Shepard is up to interpretation...I for myself think the Starchild says the truth...Shepard will control the Reapers, change everyone's DNA or destroy the Reapers...

But I do not share the thought that control will ultimately turn out all positive, or that Shepard actually still is enough of herself that she will truly destroy the Reapers while controlling them, or whatever else possibility there might be. You only see the positive effects this MIGHT have...but what if shepard is not human anymore..and whatever she beame suddenly shars the catalyst weir point of view? Not good...not good at all

And  I also do not share the thought that the violent genocide of all organic life (Synthesis) is any good...

Never does the starchild imply any of his "solutions" will be good the way WE would think! It is only based on wishful thinking, for good or for bad.

This leaves only destroy for me, the least risky one...the Reapers gone, and the galaxy is free to start anew, on their own terms, without as many risks than the other options leave open. Because by now I HATE speculation, and green and blue are based upon this!

[NUM13ER]

They had to somehow make synthesis and control seem like better choices. Destroying the Geth and EDI was the only way to discourage a lot of people from removing reapers from the equation.

Why they felt players should be discouraged from destroying the Reapers outright? Only the lead writers can answer that.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 01 mai 2012 - 06:49 .

[savionen]

Navasha wrote...

savionen wrote...

The Geth SIDED with the Reapers to survive, they wouldn't just accept rolling over to defeat them.

If 100 people were trapped in a room with a bomb that was about to explode and the ONLY way to disable the bomb meant that 10 people had to die saving the other 90.    It is still the RIGHT thing to do.  

I am sure that those 10 might not see it that way, but doesn't mean it wasn't the correct choice.    Yes, its tough to be the person that has to make that decision, but someone has to do it. 

You're still causing an entire species to go extinct in order to win the war, the implications are a lot bigger than having to kill 10 people. There's also 2 other options, you don't HAVE to kill the Geth, so it's not the only choice. Shepard was also unable to explore any other options outside of the 3 terrible ones.

I think the Destroy ending is the best of the 3, but it's still a terrible ending.

[IanPolaris]

savionen wrote...

Navasha wrote...

savionen wrote...

The Geth SIDED with the Reapers to survive, they wouldn't just accept rolling over to defeat them.

If 100 people were trapped in a room with a bomb that was about to explode and the ONLY way to disable the bomb meant that 10 people had to die saving the other 90.    It is still the RIGHT thing to do.  

I am sure that those 10 might not see it that way, but doesn't mean it wasn't the correct choice.    Yes, its tough to be the person that has to make that decision, but someone has to do it. 

You're still causing an entire species to go extinct in order to win the war, the implications are a lot bigger than having to kill 10 people. There's also 2 other options, you don't HAVE to kill the Geth, so it's not the only choice. Shepard was also unable to explore any other options outside of the 3 terrible ones.

I think the Destroy ending is the best of the 3, but it's still a terrible ending.

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You are there for one reason:  To END the Reaper threat.  Destroy is the only option that ENDS the Reaper Threat forever.  Legion would call it the Logical choice and even say that Death holds different consequences for synthetics. 

-Polaris

[M0keys]

There's no way to know if it ends the Reaper threat forever

the reapers have been going for a billion years. surely they have some reapers still out in dark space for some reason or another?

[IanPolaris]

M0keys wrote...

There's no way to know if it ends the Reaper threat forever

the reapers have been going for a billion years. surely they have some reapers still out in dark space for some reason or another?

We are told that we get to destroy ALL the Reapers.  Full stop.  Going by what we are told, there is no other choice that ends the reapers explicitly and forever.

-Polaris

[ArchDuck]

Honestly? If it had been the humans I would have felt a tad bit better about it. Ultimate human sacrifice to save everyone else would have been so much more ... elegant?... noble?
Not sure, it just feels to be a better fit.