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[Taboo]

What Polaris say is true. Weekes confirmed it. It NOTHING to do with the current ending where she walks out. She WILL survive in the EC.

[Clayless]

IanPolaris wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I was online when he DID say it.  You can claim what you like, but I know what I read in real time.

-Polaris

A link to this

Or

When did you read this?

Foul.  You know damn well it's been deleted but it WAS said.  BTW that's what the other people on your own thread told you as well.

-Polaris

No one stated this Patrick Weekes thing live on Twitter. Someone stated #masseffect did but upon inspection it just turned up blanks.

Stated something, then instantly removing it, means it was a mistake. If they realised it was a mistake that doesn't mean she can survive, it means she can't. Plus so far I'm sure you're the only one that's stated this, so it's uncertain if this tweet ever existed.

Don't state EDI can survive. You're spreading around false information and you waited until I asked for a source before you admited there is none.

[IanPolaris]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I was online when he DID say it.  You can claim what you like, but I know what I read in real time.

-Polaris

A link to this

Or

When did you read this?

Foul.  You know damn well it's been deleted but it WAS said.  BTW that's what the other people on your own thread told you as well.

-Polaris

No one stated this Patrick Weekes thing live on Twitter. Someone stated #masseffect did but upon inspection it just turned up blanks.

Stated something, then instantly removing it, means it was a mistake. If they realised it was a mistake that doesn't mean she can survive, it means she can't. Plus so far I'm sure you're the only one that's stated this, so it's uncertain if this tweet ever existed.

Don't state EDI can survive. You're spreading around false information and you waited until I asked for a source before you admited there is none.

I read your own damn thread, and I was online when I SAW Weeks twitter that EDI could survive and that it was a point of contention.  You don't want to believe it and because much of the data has been deleted I can't prove it to you, but don't say it's a fact that EDI gets destroyed.  It's not.  The best info I have is that EDI lives even in the destroy ending.

BTW, she also doesn't show up in most cases after Control either if you have the Ashes DLC (Javik bug) but we KNOW she isn't destroyed in that one either.  Your case is very shakey.  Heck even starbrat doesn't directly say she dies.

-Polaris

[Taboo]

There is evidence. It exists in the Patrick Weekes thread. For GOD's sake use the search box.

[Sisterofshane]

Taboo-XX wrote...

There is evidence. It exists in the Patrick Weekes thread. For GOD's sake use the search box.

But then they would have to give up their ignorance and admit that the Catalyst was perhaps not entirely truthful about the choices he presented.

[Clayless]

IanPolaris wrote...

I read your own damn thread, and I was online when I SAW Weeks twitter that EDI could survive and that it was a point of contention.  You don't want to believe it and because much of the data has been deleted I can't prove it to you, but don't say it's a fact that EDI gets destroyed.  It's not.  The best info I have is that EDI lives even in the destroy ending.

BTW, she also doesn't show up in most cases after Control either if you have the Ashes DLC (Javik bug) but we KNOW she isn't destroyed in that one either.  Your case is very shakey.  Heck even starbrat doesn't directly say she dies.

-Polaris

We should take this to my thread as it's more on topic.

Just to mention making a claim and presenting no proof isn't a thing to do if you want people to believe you. Someone has already challenged me about presenting proof of her surviving Control, I did (in that thread), yet there is not one single video, on the entire internet, that shows her surviving Destroy. Something that should be absolutely MASSIVE.

[Taboo]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I read your own damn thread, and I was online when I SAW Weeks twitter that EDI could survive and that it was a point of contention.  You don't want to believe it and because much of the data has been deleted I can't prove it to you, but don't say it's a fact that EDI gets destroyed.  It's not.  The best info I have is that EDI lives even in the destroy ending.

BTW, she also doesn't show up in most cases after Control either if you have the Ashes DLC (Javik bug) but we KNOW she isn't destroyed in that one either.  Your case is very shakey.  Heck even starbrat doesn't directly say she dies.

-Polaris

We should take this to my thread as it's more on topic.

Just to mention making a claim and presenting no proof isn't a thing to do if you want people to believe you. Someone has already challenged me about presenting proof of her surviving Control, I did (in that thread), yet there is not one single video, on the entire internet, that shows her surviving Destroy. Something that should be absolutely MASSIVE.

Please use the search button. You are beginning to look like a raving lunatic. The massive news you talk about is known to everyone BUT YOU.

[IanPolaris]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I read your own damn thread, and I was online when I SAW Weeks twitter that EDI could survive and that it was a point of contention.  You don't want to believe it and because much of the data has been deleted I can't prove it to you, but don't say it's a fact that EDI gets destroyed.  It's not.  The best info I have is that EDI lives even in the destroy ending.

BTW, she also doesn't show up in most cases after Control either if you have the Ashes DLC (Javik bug) but we KNOW she isn't destroyed in that one either.  Your case is very shakey.  Heck even starbrat doesn't directly say she dies.

-Polaris

We should take this to my thread as it's more on topic.

Just to mention making a claim and presenting no proof isn't a thing to do if you want people to believe you. Someone has already challenged me about presenting proof of her surviving Control, I did (in that thread), yet there is not one single video, on the entire internet, that shows her surviving Destroy. Something that should be absolutely MASSIVE.

It was/is on the Weeks thread and multiple people saw it.  If anyone has the burden of proof on this one it's you.  Suffice it to say, apparently Starbrat was less than truthful.  Shocker I know.

-Polaris

[Clayless]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

There is evidence. It exists in the Patrick Weekes thread. For GOD's sake use the search box.

But then they would have to give up their ignorance and admit that the Catalyst was perhaps not entirely truthful about the choices he presented.

I think this is the reason why people are so willing to believe "(Massive claim, no proof "search proof yourself)" posts, because they hate the ending, not because they want to know the truth.

[IanPolaris]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

There is evidence. It exists in the Patrick Weekes thread. For GOD's sake use the search box.

But then they would have to give up their ignorance and admit that the Catalyst was perhaps not entirely truthful about the choices he presented.

I think this is the reason why people are so willing to believe "(Massive claim, no proof "search proof yourself)" posts, because they hate the ending, not because they want to know the truth.

I can believe you or my lying eye.  No offense, but I'll go with my lying eyes.

-Polaris

[Clayless]

IanPolaris wrote...

It was/is on the Weeks thread and multiple people saw it.  If anyone has the burden of proof on this one it's you.  Suffice it to say, apparently Starbrat was less than truthful.  Shocker I know.

-Polaris

No he wasn't.

Take it to that thread too.

[M0keys]

Sisterofshane wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

M0keys wrote...

But what I'm trying to say is that the decision destroy makes is that what they're doing doesn't matter! They don't matter! They're tools to satisfy your goal of destroying the Reapers.
And if they, the new entries into the "great big list of things worth fighting for," are just tools for your end-goal, and you'd sacrifice any other race, you're fighting for nothing.

"The value of life and its various forms don't matter, only the state of it still existing."

It is a belief so incredibly insane, I'd rather just wipe out the galaxy to preserve the dignity of our existences than save us all by betraying the very meaning of ever having lived at all. Maybe another galaxy's got a better shot in the big scheme of things.

Again, I think you are arguing your point incorrectly.  The only become TOOLS of the destruction if you USE them specifically to destroy.  As it happens, the crucible is the tool, and no one knew prior to meeting the catalyst that the Geth would be in danger.  If we had, we might have agreed to tell the geth to GTFO of the way.

But you can't save the Geth and still destroy the Reapers. Thus, they become a part of a mechanism to destroy the Reapers. Their deaths are a requirement, a means to achieving a goal. If you choose destroy, you willingly destroy the Geth as well. It's not like you picked Destroy and later on were told the Geth died, too. You made the choice. It's not accidental.

Sisterofshane wrote...
Liken it to destroying the Alpha Relay - You killed three hundred thousand Batarians, but it wasn't their death that was specifically warranted to stop the Reapers from using the Relay Network

I didn't kill them. I did everything I could to warn them or save them. The story forced me to black out or get interrupted just so I could have Batarians tell me I was a jerk in Mass Effect 3. But at least it acknowledged I'd want to save them. It was a series of events that would lead to their death. But a series can be stopped, and I did everything I could.

The Geth dying and the Reapers dying were mutually inclusive in a single, galaxy-spanning event.

So an acknowledgement of trying to save the Geth, even futiley, would have sold you on the destroy option?  In all honesty, did you think that you could go into the final battle against the Reapers and NOT have to sacrifice something OTHER than yourself?

That's why I was fighting. The other races decided to fight with me, and that was their choice, but I do not elect to "let" anyone die, much less kill them all by my hand. They die fighting, or they live. The Geth died "just because," an again I point to the fact that no matter what the Geth decided to do, they die. Their death serves no purpose other than Casey Hudson's on a meta-level.

Sisterofshane wrote...

And let's be honest about Aratoht -  do you think a two-hour warning was sufficient enough to allow a colony of 300,000 to evacuate?  It was a nice gesture, to be sure, but it was never going to happen.

With that mindset, the Reapers win the war everytime. It was Shepard's will to fight impossible odds that made him the legendary hero he was, and why I felt so powerful through him as an avatar for my actions in his universe. Even when death seems certain, you fight anyway. That's the Shepard way.

Or to quote Shawshank, "Get busy living, or get busy dying."

Sisterofshane wrote...
What about Virmire?  Wasn't the victim a "tool" of your need to destroy the cloning facility, or was it justified because they both had a chance to "volunteer" first?  What would you have done if they were both pleading you to save them over the other?

I'm not entirely sure what you're referencing here since it's been a since I played ME1, but if you mean the person in the cage at Virmire, I saved them.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Let's face the facts, the races of the galaxy (the Geth included) put their trust in you to end the threat of the Reapers.  We knew we couldn't win conventionally, so at this point we are all hands down.  If at any point in time the leaders of the galaxy (again, Geth included) thought that you weren't going to see it through, they probably would have never put their supposed "sacred" trust in you to begin with.  And, to be honest, if the Geth came to the battle not willing to sacrifice every last one of themselves to stop the Reapers (or hereby, allowing me to sacrifice THEM for the sake of the galaxy) then they have no place being there.

You can not forcibly sacrifice people for their own sake. And I don't mean "the Geth were willing to sacrifice," that's too vague as to the purpose of why they were fighting. They accepted they might be killed by the Reapers in order to save others. Being killed by you is not why they fought. That's not even to think that maybe some Geth were left behind in the war to do other things or preserve the Geth in the event that the Geth in battle did all die, or that Geth perhaps had individual love for those other Geth who did not fight and fought for their survival.

There are so many things wrong with the destroy ending, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

[IanPolaris]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

It was/is on the Weeks thread and multiple people saw it.  If anyone has the burden of proof on this one it's you.  Suffice it to say, apparently Starbrat was less than truthful.  Shocker I know.

-Polaris

No he wasn't.

Take it to that thread too.

Why?  You'd just shout me down there like you are trying to do here and like you did with virtually every other poster on your own damn thread (and yes I read it).  You are wrong.  I know you are wrong because I saw what Weeks tweeted in real time.  Take that for what you will.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

M0keys wrote...

There are so many things wrong with the destroy ending, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

I don't disagree.  The only problem is all the other endings are worse.

-Polaris

[M0keys]

IanPolaris wrote...

M0keys wrote...

There are so many things wrong with the destroy ending, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

I don't disagree.  The only problem is all the other endings are worse.

-Polaris

I believe that at a certain point, you reach "pure evil" and everything after that is incomprehensible to the reasonable human mind.

I believe all three endings were at that level.

[IanPolaris]

M0keys wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

M0keys wrote...

There are so many things wrong with the destroy ending, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

I don't disagree.  The only problem is all the other endings are worse.

-Polaris

I believe that at a certain point, you reach "pure evil" and everything after that is incomprehensible to the reasonable human mind.

I believe all three endings were at that level.

In which case it doesn't matter what you do and the entire game is pointless.

-Polaris

[Clayless]

IanPolaris wrote...

Why?  You'd just shout me down there like you are trying to do here and like you did with virtually every other poster on your own damn thread (and yes I read it).  You are wrong.  I know you are wrong because I saw what Weeks tweeted in real time.  Take that for what you will.

-Polaris

If you present proof there would be absolutely no way for me to "shout you down".

You cannot make a claim like "EDI survives the destroy all synthetic ending" and then also say "Though I have no proof of this, and the guy claiming that she doesn't is totally wrong".

No, she doesn't. She does not survive the destroy ending, and you are deliberately giving out false information. YOU are harming the community, YOU are making people who hate the endings and want to make good arguments against it weaker.

[M0keys]

IanPolaris wrote...

M0keys wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

M0keys wrote...

There are so many things wrong with the destroy ending, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

I don't disagree.  The only problem is all the other endings are worse.

-Polaris

I believe that at a certain point, you reach "pure evil" and everything after that is incomprehensible to the reasonable human mind.

I believe all three endings were at that level.

In which case it doesn't matter what you do and the entire game is pointless.

-Polaris

And now he understands.

[IanPolaris]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Why?  You'd just shout me down there like you are trying to do here and like you did with virtually every other poster on your own damn thread (and yes I read it).  You are wrong.  I know you are wrong because I saw what Weeks tweeted in real time.  Take that for what you will.

-Polaris

If you present proof there would be absolutely no way for me to "shout you down".

You cannot make a claim like "EDI survives the destroy all synthetic ending" and then also say "Though I have no proof of this, and the guy claiming that she doesn't is totally wrong".

No, she doesn't. She does not survive the destroy ending, and you are deliberately giving out false information. YOU are harming the community, YOU are making people who hate the endings and want to make good arguments against it weaker.

Do everyone a favor and do the requested search.  I read your thread and you HAVE shouted everyone down and refused to accept anything other than your own preconceptions.

-Polaris

[Akranadas]

The Geth Volunteered for this mission knowing full well they could die, they knew the risks.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Welcome to the KOBAYASHI MARU classroom, kiddies.

Here you get to learn how to wipe out friends, and allies, with one thought.

Modifié par ohupthis, 01 mai 2012 - 02:11 .

[M0keys]

Akranadas wrote...

The Geth Volunteered for this mission knowing full well they could die, they knew the risks.

If you're fighting a world war, and one day you discover that the hero of the war is going to kill all your family and friends to win it, who now do you consider your enemy?

[Clayless]

IanPolaris wrote...

Do everyone a favor and do the requested search.  I read your thread and you HAVE shouted everyone down and refused to accept anything other than your own preconceptions.

-Polaris

You don't understand burden of proof. You make a claim, you prove it.

Spoiler alert:

If you prove it, you win. One video, just one video, of EDI survivng the destroy ending will completely and utterly destroy everything I am saying.

But you wont. You'll make your claim, you'll present no proof, and you'll instead slag off the guy asking you to prove it, because that's totally an unreasonable thing to ask someone who said "A synthetic can survive the destroy all synthetics ending".

Don't believe this myth people. EDI cannot survive the Destroy ending.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Akranadas wrote...

The Geth Volunteered for this mission knowing full well they could die, they knew the risks.

War is hell.............but NOBODY goes into a war, with the knowledge that the entire race of allies, is destined for oblivion.

[richard_rider]

Even though I hated sacrificing the Geth...I chose destroy...although I'm thinking Casper maybe a liar so Geth survive anyway...

Kinda weird when you have to fill in the blanks of a video game trilogy that technically "ended".

PS artistic integrity