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[nicksmi56]

@IanPolaris Hey, I'm not trying to argue. The endings are nothing but speculation anyway. You have your way of seeing it and I have mine. Nothing wrong with that. If we were going by in game logic, everyone would have died when the relays blew anyway XD

[Akranadas]

M0keys wrote...

Then Mordin was right.

Without a face to assign to a cause, you become a monster. Legion sacrificed himself, but unbeknownst to him, Shepard only cared about Legion, thus Legion doomed his entire race to die.

Jeez. Talk about grim.

This is war on a galactic scale, fighting an enemy that has commited galactic genocide countless times. If the Reapers didn't die,  who knows if the cycle would be truly broken.

The Geth didn't deserve to die, but the choice was they had to die to stop the Reapers forever. My Shepard had one mission, Stop the Reapers; Destory is the only option where you stop them from existing. So I commited genocide on two races, the Reapers and the Geth.

[IanPolaris]

nicksmi56 wrote...

@IanPolaris Hey, I'm not trying to argue. The endings are nothing but speculation anyway. You have your way of seeing it and I have mine. Nothing wrong with that. If we were going by in game logic, everyone would have died when the relays blew anyway XD

True that.  I think all the endings are horrid really. It's pick your own warcrime at best.

-Polaris

[Sisterofshane]

M0keys wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

The Geth Volunteered for this mission knowing full well they could die, they knew the risks.

If you're fighting a world war, and one day you discover that the hero of the war is going to kill all your family and friends to win it, who now do you consider your enemy?

Depends - is my enemy going to kill them anyway?  Is there a chance that an ally, somewhere, will survive and be able to continue their lives?  Is this a permanent solution to our problem?  Do I get to die with them?  Is it instaneous or long and torturous?

If we all went out like I assume the Geth did (quickly, just simply 'deactivated'), and we won by completely destroying our enemy, I would be able to forgive that hero.

[M0keys]

Akranadas wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Then Mordin was right.

Without a face to assign to a cause, you become a monster. Legion sacrificed himself, but unbeknownst to him, Shepard only cared about Legion, thus Legion doomed his entire race to die.

Jeez. Talk about grim.

This is war on a galactic scale, fighting an enemy that has commited galactic genocide countless times. If the Reapers didn't die,  who knows if the cycle would be truly broken.

The Geth didn't deserve to die, but the choice was they had to die to stop the Reapers forever. My Shepard had one mission, Stop the Reapers; Destory is the only option where you stop them from existing. So I commited genocide on two races, the Reapers and the Geth.

Ah. What an interesting typo.

I elect we send this new word to merriam-webster ASAP.

Modifié par M0keys, 01 mai 2012 - 02:32 .

[ElSuperGecko]

M0keys wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The Geth have also fought AGAINST us for three straight games. They're responsible for thousands of organic deaths, of all races, not just the Quarians.

Heretic geth who are also geth without post-rannoch architecture. Now the Geth are as sentient as any other race in the galaxy.

Not in my playthrough, they're not.  The Quarians turned them into so much space dust.

[DubVee12]

Yep, and that's why I'll never pick destroy again.

[M0keys]

Sisterofshane wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

The Geth Volunteered for this mission knowing full well they could die, they knew the risks.

If you're fighting a world war, and one day you discover that the hero of the war is going to kill all your family and friends to win it, who now do you consider your enemy?

Depends - is my enemy going to kill them anyway?

Not if the good guys win.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Is there a chance that an ally, somewhere, will survive and be able to continue their lives?

Maybe.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Is this a permanent solution to our problem?

Maybe. If you don't stop the hero, you're guaranteed to die, so you'll never know. But the hero will do it.

Sisterofshane wrote...

  Do I get to die with them?

No. Unless your entire extended family is somehow fighting with you on your home territory.

Sisterofshane wrote...

  Is it instaneous or long and torturous?

It's quick, but all their hopes and dreams and futures are still snuffed out of existence, of course.

[Doug4130]

just pick synthesis! preserves the most "life", and Shepard won't be around to take any **** from anybody either.

[M0keys]

Doug4130 wrote...

just pick synthesis! preserves the most "life", and Shepard won't be around to take any **** from anybody either.

Might as well screw up the universe as much as you can. Do it for the lulz, Shep!

[d-boy15]

I don't like it either but that all choice bioware gave, that's how they make you consider other choice.
if you can't destroy the geth go for the other, it's allow geth to live.

now, I wish they never change the leaked script. it's sound better than what we got.

[Sohlito]

Geth or the rest of the universe...seems like an easy choice. Goodbye Geth.

[Jog0907]

Also to be fair the only reason the geth are vulnerable to death by red colors is because they willingly implanted reaper tech on themselves (the only way of avoiding this is letting them die anyway), unlike the other two important examples EDI and Shep who had such tech implanted without their consent. That the game still refers to the ones at risk in such scenario as synthetics at large is what helps for so many plot holes to arise instead of referring to beings with reaper tech.

[M0keys]

Jog0907 wrote...

Also to be fair the only reason the geth are vulnerable to death by red colors is because they willingly implanted reaper tech on themselves (the only way of avoiding this is letting them die anyway), unlike the other two important examples EDI and Shep who had such tech implanted without their consent. That the game still refers to the ones at risk in such scenario as synthetics at large is what helps for so many plot holes to arise instead of referring to beings with reaper tech.

oh wait! so that's why they forced legion to upload reaper code!

so we could have a contrived consequence in the destroy ending!

*shakes fist* HUDSOOONNNNN

[Sisterofshane]

M0keys wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

*snip*

Except for we know all of these things in the ending of ME3 (if we are to take the Catalyst at it's word).  The other choices don't give us the same level of absolute certainty as the option for destroy.  We know the Reapers are gone, that the Geth and EDI do not suffer (could they even suffer in the first place), and any other option might result in the bad guys winning (which is a higher risk then the destroy option, in which we know for certain that they DON'T).  We can also reason that everyone else is then free to pick up the pieces and begin rebuilding society.  So what if the sacrifice was humanity instead of the Geth?  I would still make the choice to destroy.

Modifié par Sisterofshane, 01 mai 2012 - 02:48 .

[M0keys]

Oh.. and of course..

I get it.

Patrick Weekes wanted Legion to be the sole "individual" geth, and the real sacrifice wouldn't have been using his mind to support reaper code, as there would be no reaper code -- it would've instead been doing the "ME2 loyalty mission" thing and uploading his capacity for individuality to the entire Geth race at the cost of his own life!

*shakes fist again* DOUBLE HUDSSOONNN!!

[d-boy15]

in the old script, destroy ending doesn't had anything to do with the geth.

the result is all relay and technology based on it will be destroy the other choice didn't destroy the relay.
to be honest, I was expect that result when sovereign told us organic evolution based on it.

Modifié par d-boy15, 01 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[Akranadas]

M0keys wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Then Mordin was right.

Without a face to assign to a cause, you become a monster. Legion sacrificed himself, but unbeknownst to him, Shepard only cared about Legion, thus Legion doomed his entire race to die.

Jeez. Talk about grim.

This is war on a galactic scale, fighting an enemy that has commited galactic genocide countless times. If the Reapers didn't die,  who knows if the cycle would be truly broken.

The Geth didn't deserve to die, but the choice was they had to die to stop the Reapers forever. My Shepard had one mission, Stop the Reapers; Destory is the only option where you stop them from existing. So I commited genocide on two races, the Reapers and the Geth.

Ah. What an interesting typo.

I elect we send this new word to merriam-webster ASAP.

Awesome work there. Can't win the arguement so you pick out a typo.

*slow clap*

[HiddenKING]

My mission durin the past 3 games has been to destroy the Geth.

If the Reaper sidequest can achieve that, then I am more than willin to do so.

[john v rambo]

We never actually see proof that the Geth were destroyed. The god child could have been lying to save himself.

[M0keys]

Akranadas wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Akranadas wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Then Mordin was right.

Without a face to assign to a cause, you become a monster. Legion sacrificed himself, but unbeknownst to him, Shepard only cared about Legion, thus Legion doomed his entire race to die.

Jeez. Talk about grim.

This is war on a galactic scale, fighting an enemy that has commited galactic genocide countless times. If the Reapers didn't die,  who knows if the cycle would be truly broken.

The Geth didn't deserve to die, but the choice was they had to die to stop the Reapers forever. My Shepard had one mission, Stop the Reapers; Destory is the only option where you stop them from existing. So I commited genocide on two races, the Reapers and the Geth.

Ah. What an interesting typo.

I elect we send this new word to merriam-webster ASAP.

Awesome work there. Can't win the arguement so you pick out a typo.

*slow clap*

'

Actually, I just don't care about arguing this point anymore. Our differences in beliefs in this matter are utterly irreconcilable, so only further misery will come from further debate.

Sorry.

[d-boy15]

john v rambo wrote...

We never actually see proof that the Geth were destroyed. The god child could have been lying to save himself.

I don't think they will do that, it's like an insult to the peoples who pick other choice.

expect that in high ems, it only target the reapers leave organic and synthetic with uncertain future.
that how all the choice equal. the other two choice didn't have any valid downside.

but... I think the whole point of ending from them right now is try to force us to choose synthesis.

Modifié par d-boy15, 01 mai 2012 - 03:02 .

[d-boy15]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Right, I mean, it's not like the Starchild has had billions/trillions of years to collect data on this sorta thing or anything.

The Geth are gonna rebel eventually. How many countries exist that have never been to war? Exactly. Peace doesn't last. And Geth are superior to us. It's only a matter of time before they realize this.

then the galaxy will put them down like the reapers... I don't think geth can be worse than the reapers.

well, at least they not a fanatic space cuttlefish who think they are somekind of god.

Modifié par d-boy15, 01 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[frostajulie]

in the end when we had to choose between 3 turds we picked the 1 that stank the least. The Geth knew the cost of siding with us they just never expected to pay it in such a way. It was a tragedy that My Shepard is glad she died and never had to witness first hand but at least with their valiant sacrifice the reaper threat was ended once and for all.

I HATE NOT BEING ABLE TO WIN NO MATTER WHAT I DO IT KILLS ALL ****ING REPLAYABILITY AAAAAGH!