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[Jog0907]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Right, I mean, it's not like the Starchild has had billions/trillions of years to collect data on this sorta thing or anything.

The Geth are gonna rebel eventually. How many countries exist that have never been to war? Exactly. Peace doesn't last. And Geth are superior to us. It's only a matter of time before they realize this.

They can only get to a tech level that is threatening to organics with Reapers help, without it  they're a species vulnerable to mass hacking and like the quarians showed more vulnerable to mass lockdowns that leave them immensely vulnerable the only reason they overcame some of these weaknesses is because the reapers helped them which raises the problem that if the reapers are supposed to help avoid synthetics dangers why the hell are they giving synths the tech necessary to become serious threats.

[ArtGerhardt]

If all synthetic life is destroyed because their circuitry is overloaded, then how is Joker able to fly the normandy out of the system and too another planet? The normandy isn't alive, but is uses the  same type of technology that synthetic life/AI uses. If EDI's systems are fried, then the ships systems must be fried too.

I can't remember correctly, but did the star child say that all REAPER TECH is destroyed or all synthetic tech is destroyed? If the latter is true, then anyone with tech implants would probably have an aneurism after their implants blow up.


EDIT: Also, all of EDI's systems stayed in the Normany. She only used the body as a surrogate. In theory, if the Normandy survives the destory ending...then so should EDI.

If i'm missing something big that nullifies my point PLEASE inform me. Otherwise,

Modifié par ArtGerhardt, 01 mai 2012 - 03:12 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Dendio1 wrote...

I imagine if you wiped out the turians or the asari would you feel worse?

The turians? Yeah, probably.

The asari? Oh, wait, let me laugh even harder. 

[Stokie Stallion]

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

[d-boy15]

ArtGerhardt wrote...
I can't remember correctly, but did the star child say that all REAPER TECH is destroyed or all synthetic tech is destroyed? If the latter is true, then anyone with tech implants would probably have an aneurism after their implants blow up.

he say "wipe out all synthetic life if you want, including the geth."

implant didn't count they aren't synthetic life.

[Sisterofshane]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Right, I mean, it's not like the Starchild has had billions/trillions of years to collect data on this sorta thing or anything.

The Geth are gonna rebel eventually. How many countries exist that have never been to war? Exactly. Peace doesn't last. And Geth are superior to us. It's only a matter of time before they realize this.

Does it?  You can't really count the years it has been reaping because it has been forcibily intervening.  How long before that did it exist?  These conflicts may have happened before the Reapers existed but the end result was obviously never organic extinction because we are all still here.  We also know (at least from Javik's standpoint) that the Protheans were actively engaged in a war against synthetics in which they were winning before the Reapers intervened.  Any other example of synthetics trying to kill organics have been in self-defense (the Geth-Quarian Wars and the AI on the citadel), or as a direct result of Reaper intervention (the Heretic Geth).

So I am supposed to take this being, which is clearly not omnipotent because it couldn't even predict me finding it, at it's word?  No thank you.

[nitefyre410]

Stokie Stallion wrote...

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

 

NO... according the Catalyst they will always rebel... we must mind control them..

merge our dna with theirs... or destory them...all. 


Oh god I can't even believe I just made that joke

[ArtGerhardt]

d-boy15 wrote...

ArtGerhardt wrote...
I can't remember correctly, but did the star child say that all REAPER TECH is destroyed or all synthetic tech is destroyed? If the latter is true, then anyone with tech implants would probably have an aneurism after their implants blow up.

he say "wipe out all synthetic life if you want, including the geth."

implant didn't count they aren't synthetic life.

Hmm, then i guess the energy thats shoots out from the catalyst after choosing destory selectively destroys circut boards, chipsets, capacators, etc ONLY used inside of sentient robots, and ignores the same materials used in ships/tech implants. Scumbag catalyst.

[M0keys]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Right, I mean, it's not like the Starchild has had billions/trillions of years to collect data on this sorta thing or anything.

The Geth are gonna rebel eventually. How many countries exist that have never been to war? Exactly. Peace doesn't last. And Geth are superior to us. It's only a matter of time before they realize this.

What's their motivation? And how does that justify murdering everyone in the galaxy?

[d-boy15]

the starchild logic seem to be against all plot that involve...

geth didn't hate organic, they want to be like organic. EDI even in romantic relationship with organic.
also, with that logic I guess I shouldn't had kid then huh?

Modifié par d-boy15, 01 mai 2012 - 03:20 .

[Xenex48]

d-boy15 wrote...

the starchild logic seem to be against all plot that involve...

The "starchild logic", to me, is not logic. It's maddness. If you make synthetics to kill organic life, so they won't make synthetics to kill organic life, you have a few screws loose. But, I agree that saving the Geth, just to kill them anyway, is just lame.

Oh, and question on the Red ending: when you wipe out all synthetic life, does that also wipe out all technology(cybernetics, V.I.s, ect.) and send everyone back to the stone age?

[d-boy15]

Xenex48 wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

the starchild logic seem to be against all plot that involve...

Oh, and question on the Red ending: when you wipe out all synthetic life, does that also wipe out all technology(cybernetics, V.I.s, ect.) and send everyone back to the stone age?

depend on your ems if low, it's kill everything in the galaxy, medium ems is destroy most technology
in high ems it's target only synthetic life and the reapers.

[moater boat]

Well, if they hadn't been such dicks to the quarians, a conventional victory would have been far more likely. I am not happy that they had to die, but of all the races I brought to the final battle, they had it coming more than anyone else.

[Silpheed58]

 Why is it when people who think along the same lines of the OP all that's ever discussed is the consequences of the action they find personally disgusting, but they never mention what consequences take place for the non-action they seem to want.  A pacifist is only a pacifist until he is killed by a non pacifist, then he is just dead.,

[M0keys]

Silpheed58 wrote...

 Why is it when people who think along the same lines of the OP all that's ever discussed is the consequences of the action they find personally disgusting, but they never mention what consequences take place for the non-action they seem to want.

It's not non-action we want, but self-actualization.

[Silpheed58]

No its non action because in the argument, the other choices are never taken into account. Also, I have a feeling that most gamers in general(not all) are selfish and petty in how they play their game. Had Legion never existed, but the Geth lore remained the same, but never became a personal interest; more of you "I can't kill the Geth" sympathizers wouldn't hesitate to kill them. All I see here are folks who basically, and vicariously, placed them/their Shepard's wants over the needs of the Galaxy be cause you think you are bigger than the universe itself.

Modifié par Silpheed58, 01 mai 2012 - 04:22 .

[M0keys]

if they still all became sentient and fought along side us in the war, there's no way I'd kill them then either.

[IanPolaris]

M0keys wrote...

if they still all became sentient and fought along side us in the war, there's no way I'd kill them then either.

Do you save one race at the risk of enslaving/killing all races, or do you kill one race to insure that the threat of the Reapers is lifted for all other races?  Do you kill 10 so 1 million might live?

I think you do (or should).

-Polaris

[incinerator950]

IanPolaris wrote...

M0keys wrote...

if they still all became sentient and fought along side us in the war, there's no way I'd kill them then either.

Do you save one race at the risk of enslaving/killing all races, or do you kill one race to insure that the threat of the Reapers is lifted for all other races?  Do you kill 10 so 1 million might live?

I think you do (or should).

-Polaris

Objectively and Opinion based, I agree.  You are required to use Legion's own logic.  If you cannot rewrite the Reapers, then you have to wipe them out.  That or the space magic option, but I haven't picked it yet.

Inaction kills everyone, including the Geth.

[Smitridel]

I made the Quarians extinct (never really liked the much - plus they made their choice by constantly waging a pointless war - even after the truth got out in ME2).
Really, the Geth Rebellion ideals since ME2, had something noble in them.

But.
I chose the Destroy ending.
Ruthless War Calculus as someone above posted.
Also, I thought they would have kept some kind of their software in back-up.

Or, maybe that's just me rationalizing a genocidal choice.

[Elite Midget]

I killed everyone, the relays blowing up made sure of that. My only regret is that Joker and Liara managed to survive despite their hull being breached and the Normandy being engulfed in the deadly Space Magic.

I'm guess Joker is really a Wizard, it's the only way he survived my Space Magic Wave.

[AlexXIV]

Smitridel wrote...

I made the Quarians extinct (never really liked the much - plus they made their choice by constantly waging a pointless war - even after the truth got out in ME2).
Really, the Geth Rebellion ideals since ME2, had something noble in them.

But.
I chose the Destroy ending.
Ruthless War Calculus as someone above posted.
Also, I thought they would have kept some kind of their software in back-up.

Or, maybe that's just me rationalizing a genocidal choice.

All three endings are genocidal if you look at the definition closely. Brainwashing a species, destroying it, genetic manipulation. It all qualifies as genocide. So in essence the only way to justifiy it would be self defense. In which case destroy ending fits best anyway. Even if the Geth get wiped out.

[mirage2154]

well the whole ME1,2 up untill the last 10 min of the game telling me that, there is always another way. The way to refuse the tyrany and denocide, or die trying. And at the end they made me give up everything I stood for. We remember Socrates, Lincoln because they died for what they believe in. And Bioware is telling me I can not chose to die as I believe that fighting despite all hardship and uncertainty for sake of hope and dignity of mankind is an option? ME3 is the doom to ME series for me.

[AlexXIV]

mirage2154 wrote...

well the whole ME1,2 up untill the last 10 min of the game telling me that, there is always another way. The way to refuse the tyrany and denocide, or die trying. And at the end they made me give up everything I stood for. We remember Socrates, Lincoln because they died for what they believe in. And Bioware is telling me I can not chose to die as I believe that fighting despite all hardship and uncertainty for sake of hope and dignity of mankind is an option? ME3 is the doom to ME series for me.

The worst of it is that you can't choose to refuse, really. Same problem with DA2, just that ME3 does not have the middle game excuse which is meant to build up for the last. There is really no excuse to not give the player a choice at the very end of a franchise that changes the world so much anyway that a sequel is impossible. Why we cannot get a real choice at the very end will forever be beyond me and shows that Bioware cannot even do it right when it would be easy. I mean so far their excuse was that it would be hard to give choices that carry over to the sequel. But obviously, even in the last game of the trilogy nothing is easy for Bioware. Really makes you think they themselves stand in their way. It's like a soccer team that defeats itself so the opponents don't really have to do anything than wait until it happens.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 mai 2012 - 09:42 .

[xXevildeeds19Xx]

Well, Killing off the Geth was not that hard for me, as sacrificing the few to save the many seem like the logical choice and the Geth would have to agree with my decision, the only thing thing to make me stop and think about choosing the destroy ending was the chance that EDI would die as well, and it was pretty difficult to kill a friend to save a galaxy