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[Applepie_Svk]

I guess it must be pain in the ass for Legion in his heaven for toasters....
You know:
Legion looking from his cybernetic heaven down to Sheppard staying in front of pipe shooting to glass, and only what Legion can say is: No data available, because his core get something what we organics name a MINDF+CK

[Navasha]

Spock from Star Trek.... from a race that prides itself on pure logic.

Sacrifices himself to save the whole ship, saying "The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few".

I think the Geth, would understand... and would WILLINGLY sacrifice themselves in that scenario.

Again, I would still have picked Destroy even if it was all humans that would be wiped out by the energy wave. Its the only option where the galaxy actually wins.

[Silpheed58]

mirage2154 wrote...

well the whole ME1,2 up untill the last 10 min of the game telling me that, there is always another way. The way to refuse the tyrany and denocide, or die trying. And at the end they made me give up everything I stood for.

Actually it would just be the writters taking away everything the game stood for, the way out option was there because it was an option presented in the game as available, not one your Shepard decides is available.  Unfortunatly there was no optional way out available in the end.  Three choices were presented, where would you come up with a fourth if you were him?  Do nothing the game ends everyone dies anyway.

[Silpheed58]

Navasha wrote...

Spock from Star Trek.... from a race that prides itself on pure logic.

Sacrifices himself to save the whole ship, saying "The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few".

I think the Geth, would understand... and would WILLINGLY sacrifice themselves in that scenario.

Again, I would still have picked Destroy even if it was all humans that would be wiped out by the energy wave. Its the only option where the galaxy actually wins.

You get an internets cookie.

[incinerator950]

Navasha wrote...

Spock from Star Trek.... from a race that prides itself on pure logic.

Sacrifices himself to save the whole ship, saying "The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few".

I think the Geth, would understand... and would WILLINGLY sacrifice themselves in that scenario.

Again, I would still have picked Destroy even if it was all humans that would be wiped out by the energy wave. Its the only option where the galaxy actually wins.

Don't know, Legion lied more then once to help preserve its race.  The Geth Collective willingly sided with the Reapers.

The option is moot because you weren't going to get their opinion from them.

[Richard 060]

Navasha wrote...

Spock from Star Trek.... from a race that prides itself on pure logic.

Sacrifices himself to save the whole ship, saying "The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few".

I think the Geth, would understand... and would WILLINGLY sacrifice themselves in that scenario.

Again, I would still have picked Destroy even if it was all humans that would be wiped out by the energy wave. Its the only option where the galaxy actually wins.

...and now I'm imagining a 'Mirror Universe'-style scenario, where Kirk saves the ship by venting Spock out of an airlock...

"It's alright, crew - he'd have understood. 'Needs of the many', and all that - it's what he would have wanted..."

[Ashtarth1]

 This is why its hard for me to accept Destroy.

[Benrosan]

The destruction ending is a perfect example of why the ending is so badly written. The moral dilemma that comes from choosing the red ending (sacrificing synthetics) is artificially implemented to balance out this particular choice in relation to the other two.

There is absolutely no reason why the Geth should die alongside the reapers. None. However, with no downside, everyone would have picked the destroy option, greatly reducing the intended emotional impact of having to choose between A,B, and C.

It's just an arbitrary penalty Bioware included at the expense of the story's integrity.

It's amateur writing of the worst kind, and a poor choice on their part.

[Iakus]

Navasha wrote...

Spock from Star Trek.... from a race that prides itself on pure logic.

Sacrifices himself to save the whole ship, saying "The needs of the many, outweight the needs of the few".

I think the Geth, would understand... and would WILLINGLY sacrifice themselves in that scenario.

Again, I would still have picked Destroy even if it was all humans that would be wiped out by the energy wave. Its the only option where the galaxy actually wins.

Even if the geth were willing, it's generally considered polite to ask first before genociding a race.

As it stood in ME3, killing the geth was nothing more than an arbitrarty tragedy forced on players to prevent a clear win (along with the deaths of EDI and potentially Shepard)

Even so, I picked it too, because I find Blue and Green to be even worse.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Dendio1 wrote...

They should have showed the geth fighting showing faith in shepard to get the doors open. Then show the utter horror as their race is destroyed in the largest double cross ever executed.

Edit: Considering renegade shep shoots mordin, shoots wrex, kills VS, threatens joker and shoots legion 3 times, wiping out legion, his family, his people and his little geth dog could be seen as the ultimate renegade after all.

I had problems with the renegade Shep in this game. In the previous games he was calculating and cold but in this one he was just a ****

[nitefyre410]

Benrosan wrote...

The destruction ending is a perfect example of why the ending is so badly written. The moral dilemma that comes from choosing the red ending (sacrificing synthetics) is artificially implemented to balance out this particular choice in relation to the other two.

There is absolutely no reason why the Geth should die alongside the reapers. None. However, with no downside, everyone would have picked the destroy option, greatly reducing the intended emotional impact of having to choose between A,B, and C.

It's just an arbitrary penalty Bioware included at the expense of the story's integrity.

It's amateur writing of the worst kind, and a poor choice on their part.

  


I agree with everything you said  The Galaxy is ruins, billions dead, billion more displaced  in refugees with no place to go and even less food, water and medical supplies to go around. The  war left not only the galactic militaries in shambles buy the ecomony as well.  No really way to keep order watch how things start to break down once people get desperate for the basic necessities.  All Bioware had to  do show was the devastion left in the wars wake... no  need to blow up  the relays or  tack on a completely abitary sacrifice.  

You absolutely right in the ending its completely amateurish on   Bioware's part, in the end more  I examine this as whole more I start to come to the conclusion the alot of Bioware's greatness is more  hype and rose colored glasses.  

[Subject M]

Navasha wrote...

No... If the Destroy option stated that it would kill all humans, but allowed the galaxy to live.... I still would have chose it.

The race in question isn't the issue. Its like wiping out NYC with a nuclear bomb in order to stop a deadly virus from killing everyone on Earth. Yes, its a horrible decision.... but the RIGHT one.

The other two options are only MORE horrific.

It allowed the galaxy to live, until another race unavoidable appears that will destroy the universe, its only a matter of time...
Or wiping out NYC with a bomb in order to save everyone on Earth, until someone discovers that virus in Africa again, its only a matter of time..

Modifié par Subject M, 01 mai 2012 - 03:17 .

[tholloway93]

Benrosan wrote...

The destruction ending is a perfect example of why the ending is so badly written. The moral dilemma that comes from choosing the red ending (sacrificing synthetics) is artificially implemented to balance out this particular choice in relation to the other two.

There is absolutely no reason why the Geth should die alongside the reapers. None. However, with no downside, everyone would have picked the destroy option, greatly reducing the intended emotional impact of having to choose between A,B, and C.

It's just an arbitrary penalty Bioware included at the expense of the story's integrity.

It's amateur writing of the worst kind, and a poor choice on their part.

from what i understood from starchilds explanation, every modern piece of hardware would be rendered useless it'd all be destroyed, which to me suggested all the fleets up in space would also be sacrificed as all their ships would be kaput. 

[AlexXIV]

tholloway93 wrote...

Benrosan wrote...

The destruction ending is a perfect example of why the ending is so badly written. The moral dilemma that comes from choosing the red ending (sacrificing synthetics) is artificially implemented to balance out this particular choice in relation to the other two.

There is absolutely no reason why the Geth should die alongside the reapers. None. However, with no downside, everyone would have picked the destroy option, greatly reducing the intended emotional impact of having to choose between A,B, and C.

It's just an arbitrary penalty Bioware included at the expense of the story's integrity.

It's amateur writing of the worst kind, and a poor choice on their part.

from what i understood from starchilds explanation, every modern piece of hardware would be rendered useless it'd all be destroyed, which to me suggested all the fleets up in space would also be sacrificed as all their ships would be kaput. 

Well but it's space magic. Which means things that are supposed to be destroyed are destroyed and others are not. Depending on ... space magic.

[incinerator950]

If you have a high EMS, the Catalyst doesn't mention the technology destruction.

[GLR-0053]

incinerator950 wrote...

If you have a high EMS, the Catalyst doesn't mention the technology destruction.

"You can wipe out all synthetic life including the Geth"

[d-boy15]

Subject M wrote...

Navasha wrote...

No... If the Destroy option stated that it would kill all humans, but allowed the galaxy to live.... I still would have chose it.

The race in question isn't the issue. Its like wiping out NYC with a nuclear bomb in order to stop a deadly virus from killing everyone on Earth. Yes, its a horrible decision.... but the RIGHT one.

The other two options are only MORE horrific.

It allowed the galaxy to live, until another race unavoidable appears that will destroy the universe, its only a matter of time...
Or wiping out NYC with a bomb in order to save everyone on Earth, until someone discovers that virus in Africa again, its only a matter of time..

the other choice is not different...

control - you save the galaxy, stop the cycle until some smart ass create synthatic life which may rebel and force
shepard to continued the cycle.

synthasis - you broker peace through self-sacrifice and genetic modification sound happy, unless starchild got
any idea about the galaxy.

all choice leave an uncertain future of galaxy.

Modifié par d-boy15, 01 mai 2012 - 03:31 .

[N7Gold]

Dendio1 wrote...

I imagine if you wiped out the turians or the asari would you feel worse?

Its pretty evil of shepard to do such a thing. Making a backroom deal with the enemy that wipes out his ally as they fight for him.



Edit:

How ironic that the geth initially sided with the reapers purely for survival. Self determination takes a back seat next to non existance for them. They let the reapers control them fully. Yet they believed in shepard and decided to fight for the organics against the old machines. The cut content has geth prime deliberatly say they are fighting for their survival.

Looks like they should have stayed with the reapers after all

If they stayed with them, they'd be destroyed too, anyway. Besides, the Geth are software, not hardware. Their bodies may end up being destryed, but...

[Subject M]

tholloway93 wrote...

Benrosan wrote...

The destruction ending is a perfect example of why the ending is so badly written. The moral dilemma that comes from choosing the red ending (sacrificing synthetics) is artificially implemented to balance out this particular choice in relation to the other two.

There is absolutely no reason why the Geth should die alongside the reapers. None. However, with no downside, everyone would have picked the destroy option, greatly reducing the intended emotional impact of having to choose between A,B, and C.

It's just an arbitrary penalty Bioware included at the expense of the story's integrity.

It's amateur writing of the worst kind, and a poor choice on their part.

from what i understood from starchilds explanation, every modern piece of hardware would be rendered useless it'd all be destroyed, which to me suggested all the fleets up in space would also be sacrificed as all their ships would be kaput. 

Is  this related to EMS? I remember hearing it state something about that destroy would destroy much of the technology.
And it seems reasonable given that it might be hard to distinguish synthetic life from non-life machienery.

[Catroi]

[sp0ck 06]

Subject M wrote...

tholloway93 wrote...

Benrosan wrote...

The destruction ending is a perfect example of why the ending is so badly written. The moral dilemma that comes from choosing the red ending (sacrificing synthetics) is artificially implemented to balance out this particular choice in relation to the other two.

There is absolutely no reason why the Geth should die alongside the reapers. None. However, with no downside, everyone would have picked the destroy option, greatly reducing the intended emotional impact of having to choose between A,B, and C.

It's just an arbitrary penalty Bioware included at the expense of the story's integrity.

It's amateur writing of the worst kind, and a poor choice on their part.

from what i understood from starchilds explanation, every modern piece of hardware would be rendered useless it'd all be destroyed, which to me suggested all the fleets up in space would also be sacrificed as all their ships would be kaput. 

Is  this related to EMS? I remember hearing it state something about that destroy would destroy much of the technology.
And it seems reasonable given that it might be hard to distinguish synthetic life from non-life machienery.

Yeah if you have low EMS destroy option wipes out all reaper tech i think.  So probably a lot of starships, geth...lotsa stuff.

[d-boy15]

the destroy option has 3 outcome based on you ems

- low = galaxy doomed.
- medium = most tech gone, reaper dead, synthatic life wipe out.
- high = synthatic life wipe out, reaper dead.

[Subject M]

d-boy15 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Navasha wrote...

No... If the Destroy option stated that it would kill all humans, but allowed the galaxy to live.... I still would have chose it.

The race in question isn't the issue. Its like wiping out NYC with a nuclear bomb in order to stop a deadly virus from killing everyone on Earth. Yes, its a horrible decision.... but the RIGHT one.

The other two options are only MORE horrific.

It allowed the galaxy to live, until another race unavoidable appears that will destroy the universe, its only a matter of time...
Or wiping out NYC with a bomb in order to save everyone on Earth, until someone discovers that virus in Africa again, its only a matter of time..

the other choice is not different...

control - you save the galaxy, stop the cycle until some smart ass create synthatic life which may rebel and force
shepard to continued the cycle.

synthasis - you broker peace through self-sacrifice and genetic modification sound happy, unless starchild got
any idea about the galaxy.

all choice leave an uncertain future of galaxy.

 "control" apparently allows you to control the reapers, which means they can return an pimp-slap any eventual rising genocidal AI.

"Synthesis" bypasses the conflict by forcing synthesis between the two supposedly incompatible positions.

Modifié par Subject M, 01 mai 2012 - 03:41 .

[Subject M]

d-boy15 wrote...

the destroy option has 3 outcome based on you ems

- low = galaxy doomed.
- medium = most tech gone, reaper dead, synthatic life wipe out.
- high = synthatic life wipe out, reaper dead.

Are geth saved if EMS is low?

[MakeMineMako]

DJBare wrote...

Geth are in essence immortal, they cannot die since they are purely software, the platforms are only tools, the same goes for EDI who's main software resides within the computer core of the Normandy.

1. The Geth would not have had enough time to secure each individual program from the magical robot killing beam.

2. And there is no safe hub in the Sol system for Geth software.

3. The Geth would have no warning. They will be as clueless as the organics on what the hell is going on.

4. They wouldn't have the time to broadcast their software out of the Sol system to hubs in other clusters, as fast as the magical robot killing beam is moving from cluster to cluster.

5. And even if they figure out that it is in fact a magical robot killing beam, and threw the coals to it, they would have no more luck running than the SSV Normandy did.

In other words, if each platform is destroyed, the Geth mind inside is dead and gone. Organic-style death. And we do not know for sure that even if they were uploaded into hubs (or in EDI's case, the Normandy's AI core), if they will survive. Remember, this magical robot killing beam targets synthetic life. Not just their mechanical bodies.

On the upside, each Geth is now an individual instead of part of hive mind-style collective. If some Geth were in a system where they somehow managed to elude/be spared the beam of massively doomed robots, they have a chance of survival, since a massive loss of individual programs won't put them on the "Galactic Endangered Species List". But how they mangage to rebuild is the big question, since relay destruction screws them as much as the rest of the races in the galaxy.

Modifié par MakeMineMako, 01 mai 2012 - 03:45 .