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[DrSpoonbender]

Fxnris wrote...
all chambers is, is a bloody crew psychologist.

The crew of the Normandy (Shepard especially) could use a psychologist under these very dire circumstances.

Modifié par DrSpoonbender, 01 mai 2012 - 01:54 .

[medcsu]

Traynor is considerably more important to the mission than Kelly ever was. Besides, and let's be honest here, Kelly was the one who brought scale itch on to the Normandy...just sayin...

[sevach]

While i do like my Yeomans to be talented strippers
Traynor was great, even with a male Shepard, she was a smart, funny, good person to have around.

 
Shame she wanted nothing to do with him... and that she showers with her underwear on i hear

[CmnDwnWrkn]

My theory is, with Miranda off the ship, now they needed someone with a British accent, to appeal to Euro gamers.

[Fxnris]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

My theory is, with Miranda off the ship, now they needed someone with a British accent, to appeal to Euro gamers.

Miri has an Australian accent, so technically not European, Michel is French, she's an option instead of Chakwas

Also, Zaeed has a British accent, that satisfied me

'GUT THE BASTARDS.'

[uzivatel]

Maybe things would be better if Cortez was the comm officer and Traynor the shuttle pilot...

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Michale_Jackson wrote...

simfamSP wrote...


This.

But besides that... Kelly was a joke of a romance and as flat as characters get. She was cool, yes, to that I agree. But Traynor actually DID something. She FELT like part of the crew...

And it was nice hearing another accent other than American/Canadian for once :-)

How did Traynor play like part of the crew?  I'm on my second male playthrough of ME3 and Traynor is just as dull and boring as my first run.   

Kelly was a real keeper, she always asked how were you doing, told you the status of the crew members, even offered to tidy up your Cabin.  You get none of these pleasentries from Traynor.

Romance her as a female Shepard their romance added dialoge is quite good (and very funny).   

[Terraforming2154]

OlympusMons423 wrote...

I like Traynor, but as far as what I saw with my fem-Shepard and her in the shower, it was pretty stupid.

I once talked to a "real" lesbian woman, and she said something to me I never forgot. She said..."you know, I don't sleep with my girlfriend for any reason different than you sleep with your wife. Its not about male fantasy"...... Now I know it very much is a male fantasy seeing all female flesh tangled up everywhere you look, like that. Then add the obviously model quality, lipstick lesbian factor that a fem-Shepard and Traynor do bring into this. I'm guess Ilm saying if you really are about your social correct statements, you would not so obviously go straight for the lipstick lesbian stuff. You could write dialogue that gives them the two people who just happen to be attracted or are in love into it, rather then hitting us right over the head at the start with the fantasy. Right away Traynor and Shep come onto each other, and then the stupid shower while fully dressed comes in because you can't even be logical about it.... It just kind of betrays the whole point of being politically or socially correct.

If they took a bit more time to develop a  Traynor/fem-Shep lesbian relationship. If instead of going to the cliche women hot for each other right off that bat, you go and make them two humans first, then you maybe are a little more honest, and in line with your point of doing this to begin with.

I agree - I had to skip as quickly through the shower scene as possible when I did a playthrough to romance her. The whole thing felt really damn awkward and was blatantly trying to be fan service and not even succeeding at that. Her showering in underwear and my Shep stepping under the water with a bulky hoody was just...silly looking.  I do like Sam a lot and I felt there was a nice payoff for romancing her, but I do think Bioware could have handled the progression of the relationship a lot better.

To sort of bring this back on track to the OP, I feel that Kelly's relationship buildup felt really natural and had good progression with it.  But I think that Kelly and Sam are both fantastic characters for different reasons.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 01 mai 2012 - 03:07 .

[Yana Montana]

uzivatel wrote...

Maybe things would be better if Cortez was the comm officer and Traynor the shuttle pilot...

Huh, I actually like this idea. Sam, smeared in engine oil...

[Sunnie]

medcsu wrote...

Traynor is considerably more important to the mission than Kelly ever was. Besides, and let's be honest here, Kelly was the one who brought scale itch on to the Normandy...just sayin...

Proof?

[Aren19]

jeweledleah wrote...

Aren19 wrote...

I prefer Traynor. I had considered having my FemShep go after her and break up with Garrus, but decided against it. Never really cared for Kelly, but I am still annoyed that the only way she'll show up is if you have your dinner date with her and my FemShep isn't a lesbian. So, according to that, she's dead for me in my ME3 game even though I saved her in ME2.

you can have friendly dinner with Kelly >_>  when you first talk to her, instead of chosing "i'll embrace you" pick "I'll catch you"  that starts the friendship path.  she still comes to dinner and feeds your fish, but she doesn't offer to dance for you, even if you romance no one else.

they left dinner as a fade to black on purpose, to basicaly let people imagine whatever they want to.

I did follow a friendship path, at least I think I did.  The dinner option never showed up and I talked with her at every chance I got.

[Michale_Jackson]

Fxnris wrote...

The galaxy is at war, Traynor has skills suited for combat analysis etc, all chambers is, is a bloody crew psychologist.
The Normandy is a warship, not someplace everyone can play 'house'.
Sounds harsh but put it this way, a zombie apocalypse occurs, who would you rather have by your side, a loveable hippy or a special forces soldier, I know what I'd pick.
Inb4 you say, I know Traynor isn't a soldier, but it's just for comparison sake.

Besides, it's Traynor that intercepts transmissions that help save Grissom academy etc, without her, you wouldn't have got there in time.

It's an RPG yes, but the galaxy faces annihilation, we're not playing The Sims.

Every reason you're throwing at as to why Traynor is better suited is pointless because Bioware could have easily just stuck with Kelly Chambers for ME3 being on the Normandy and have that character do everything Traynor had. 

That could have easily have told the story as if Kelly defecting from Cerebus after ME2 getting hired and promoted by Commander Shepard.

[Docmeff22]

I LOVED Samantha Traynor.  I liked her character and her voice.

This is why:

http://www.behindthe...x-Wilton-Regan/

[BatmanPWNS]

Two reasons:
First, no one would they allow a Cerberus supporter and member to join the Alliance. (Joker and Chakwas never counted officially as part of Cerberus)
Secondly, Lez romance!

But I do wonder where all these so called helpers come from. They all seem to be open minded and love their own gender very much.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I don't like Chambers or Traynor, a parrot would be more useful. Sit it in a cage next to the private terminal and have it squawk "aark new messages commander, arrrk!" at you whenever you walk past it.

[Metalunatic]

Traynor beats Chambers any day. I won't give you my reasons so I won't offend any Kelly fans.

[Michale_Jackson]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Two reasons:
First, no one would they allow a Cerberus supporter and member to join the Alliance. (Joker and Chakwas never counted officially as part of Cerberus)
Secondly, Lez romance!

But I do wonder where all these so called helpers come from. They all seem to be open minded and love their own gender very much.

and what about Kenneth Donnelly and Gabriella Daniels in Engineering?

[naddaya]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I don't like Chambers or Traynor, a parrot would be more useful. Sit it in a cage next to the private terminal and have it squawk "aark new messages commander, arrrk!" at you whenever you walk past it.

Oh this would be awesome.
+1

Anyway, I didn't like that they assigned more people to my ship while I was grounded. I wouldn't even have left my ship to the alliance, for ****'s sake.

[TJX2045]

 

arial wrote...

I like Traynor, at least she has a personality (unlike Chambers).
 

 

I think Traynor has more personality than Kelly.  I talked with her more than Kelly simply because she was given more thought and time.

 OP, she's not back on the Normandy as many said before because Kelly is afraid of being turned into space goo by the harvested.

I dunno about you, but after I saved her during the final ME2 mission, she didn't seem "OK."  She seemed relieved but still scarred for life.

Think about it: she was in a pod that would eventually liquify her, and Chakwas even said that they watched some of the colonists who got kidnapped before them get turned into DNA soup.  The first time I saw it in game it freaked me out a bit too, and I can only imagine if that happened in real life..I'd need a therapist.

Modifié par TJX2045, 01 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[Eromenos]

Kelly Chambers the Human Screensaver was a bubbly sick joke even from the start. Why shouldn't she be devalued for ME3? If anything her content in ME3 seems way more appropriate. I'm not surprised to hear that creature had PTSD. She was never solid, especially considering her combined credentials and choice to be with Cerberus.

This news about Traynor showering in bra and panties is eye-roll inducing to be sure, but at least it's only relegated to one scene and only for the people who romance her. Whereas, Kelly's stalking habits surpassed Liara's. Traynor does exhibit hero-worship and she could stand to read some of her lines a bit faster, but at least she's more about the jobs at hand. She isn't some sad creature that hopes Shepard will take pity on her.

Modifié par Eromenos, 01 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[Michale_Jackson]

Eromenos wrote...

Kelly Chambers the Human Screensaver was a bubbly sick joke even from the start. Why shouldn't she be devalued for ME3? If anything her content in ME3 seems way more appropriate. I'm not surprised to hear that creature had PTSD. She was never solid, especially considering her combined credentials and choice to be with Cerberus.

This news about Traynor showering in bra and panties is eye-roll inducing to be sure, but at least it's only relegated to one scene and only for the people who romance her. Whereas, Kelly's stalking habits surpassed Liara's. Traynor does exhibit hero-worship and she could stand to read some of her lines a bit faster, but at least she's more about the jobs at hand. She isn't some sad creature that hopes Shepard will take pity on her.

What a load of BS.  Traynor practically begs for female Shepard and EDI to take pitty on her.  

Traynor is more "Krillin" for EDI than Joker.


Sick Sad World. <_<

[Ianesta]

Ha ha this thread's a joke. Kelly was basically a sexdoll; her character offered nothing and she was basically the weak female stereotype feminists have been trying to rid popular culture of for decades. Traynor actually had aims and that, she was more or less a fully developed character with useful attributes whilst Kelly was a plot device to introduce the messaging system and some nice eye candy. Kelly Chambers is the worst female character in the series, and for a series with a genetically-engineered-to-be-****able Miranda that's certainly saying something. The replacement of Kelly with Traynor was the one thing I'm 100% sure BioWare did right in this game.

[Raizo]

I actually prefer Traynor to Kelly but I do feel your pain. Like most of the other characters that were introduced in ME2 Kelly deserved a better role in ME3 than the one she got.

[Biotic_Warlock]

"not communative at all"?
Traynor has more cutscenes with more than just "nothing right now" or "you have unread messages in your private terminal"
Kelly chambers was poorly written in ME3 and ME2. Traynor was very well written.

[RebelGeth963]

I seem to recall that the first game did perfectly fine without either one of them.

They're both annoying, at least from a gameplay standpoint, if not a character standpoint.


Let's face the facts:

1. Only the most hardcore RPGeek only cares about 100%.
2. The sidequests/loyalty missions are like tracks on an album, you'll have your favorites, but you'll also have some that you can talk or leave.

Point 2 is what makes Sam and Kelly annoying. The game uses them to pretty much shove the sidequests down your throat. Every time Kelly flags me down with being spoken too, telling me about my least favorite loyalty mission, it made me want to turn that annoying little chatterbox into goo. I longed for the old days when you activated them by either reading your journal or making an effort to talk to someone who is polite enough to keep their mouth shut if you didn't want to talk to them.

When I'm going about my business and an NPC flags me down, saying "you need to do this and this," without giving me the option of saying "shut the hell up, I have better things to do."
 
I really envy PC users, because if I had the game on PC, I'd probably be able to mod the game so Kelly and Sam would only talk to me if I actually walked up to them and hit the talk button. But as I have a 360, I'm stuck with them trying to force feed me unwanted sidequests, and thinking "I wish to God they had given me the option to tell them something along the lines of 'I was able to check my private mesages and check on my crew just fine by myself on the original Normandy, so I don't need you now. Get off my ship.'"

I found myself conversing with Traynor just in an attempt to keep her from shoving the multiplayer missions down my throat. She's better than Kelly, but I cannot forgive her for the forcefeeding.