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[xsdob]

moater boat wrote...

I guess it comes down to whether you play an RPG for the story or for the gameplay. To me it is a no-brainer, but some people need to get their button mashing fix.

When a character forgets that I just had the exact same conversation with them 5 seconds ago it tends to take away immersion in the story pretty quickly.

Also the council being dumb as **** for not noticing saren is not only part machine but also part geth. I mean there had to be pictures from edan prime of dead geth, and someone could just look at the vid and look at saren and realize, 'heh, they have the same arm, lol oh well, he's inncocent derpdy doo!"

I have pictures to prove it.

Modifié par xsdob, 01 mai 2012 - 05:31 .

[gXs_2]

ME1 didn't have any huge problems IMO. Most things just needed tightening or tweaking, but instead alot of stuff got ripped out or completely re-worked. Which makes ME1 seem really really different and dated.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

That's strange....my ME1 experience on the 360 wasn't that buggy....never noticed delays between picking a response and Shep talking and sure as hell never had the cover issue with standing up against short cover.....if you're on PC then I don't know I just remember that there were A LOT of complaints about about the late PC port being buggy when it was finally released. It might be worth trying it on 360 instead unless you're hypersensitive to fps or start tripping over minor graphics differences....overall the gameplay should be significantly smoother than what you're describing now. Hell I'd try suggesting upgrading your PC but if you can rum ME3 then I doubt that's the issue so it's probably just a bad port...

It was like this on the 360.  I bought a 360 before I upgraded my PC and bought ME1 within the first week I owned it.

I returned ME1 which was a first for me with Bioware games.  Then ME1 and  ME2 went on sale during a Xmas sale on Steam and I thought....hell, for $6 I might as well put myself through it.

[edisnooM]

I liked how in ME1 you could add heatsink mods to your guns that let you pretty much fire endlessly. Running around the battlefield with my non-stop assault rifle. Fond memories.

[rex285]

The first is by far my favorite

[xsdob]

MassEffect762 wrote...

ME1= free of EA = ^^

ME2= rpg/story sacrificed = vomit

To me ME2 is kids stuff, I personally can only see youths enjoying that game. The story is bad and the combat is mediocre.

Yes because seeing the effects of the genophage and the murderous pursuits of dr mealon is so much less impactful than getting third hand account exposition on it.

ME1 was meant only to give discriptions, ME2 showed you it in actuality. Also birth defects, beterayls of trust, corruption of power and forcing a disowned father into suicide is all kids stuff right? Who'd want that when we can get the turian general to get over his love problems and tell the preaching hanar that he's a big dumb jellyfish.

[Dendio1]

ItsNotMyProblem wrote...

ME2 was great. Just the movement with so much smoother. ME2 was the best.

Me2 had inferior combat and the puzzles for every single lock were annyoing

[Dude_in_the_Room]

MassEffect762 wrote...

I personally can only see youths enjoying that game. 

Thats a dumb statement.

[Darth_Trethon]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

That's strange....my ME1 experience on the 360 wasn't that buggy....never noticed delays between picking a response and Shep talking and sure as hell never had the cover issue with standing up against short cover.....if you're on PC then I don't know I just remember that there were A LOT of complaints about about the late PC port being buggy when it was finally released. It might be worth trying it on 360 instead unless you're hypersensitive to fps or start tripping over minor graphics differences....overall the gameplay should be significantly smoother than what you're describing now. Hell I'd try suggesting upgrading your PC but if you can rum ME3 then I doubt that's the issue so it's probably just a bad port...

It was like this on the 360.  I bought a 360 before I upgraded my PC and bought ME1 within the first week I owned it.

I returned ME1 which was a first for me with Bioware games.  Then ME1 and  ME2 went on sale during a Xmas sale on Steam and I thought....hell, for $6 I might as well put myself through it.

Don't know....sure don't remember any of these issues though it's been a while but still...I did over 30 full playthroughs with the bloody thing and got 8 different level 60 charracters with full party in best gear(Collossus X all aroud lol) so it couldn't have been that bad....

Not sure if you're exaggerating the severity of the problems or what. Maybe missremembering since you returned the copy you probably haven't played it a whole lot and this is 5 years ago we're talking about....

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 01 mai 2012 - 05:37 .

[xsdob]

Dendio1 wrote...

ItsNotMyProblem wrote...

ME2 was great. Just the movement with so much smoother. ME2 was the best.

Me2 had inferior combat and the puzzles for every single lock were annyoing

Yes I too found the character specific locking system to be unnicisay. lol.

Oh wait, that was mass effect 1, where if you didn't bring your tech experts along you were screwed out of all the loot.

Modifié par xsdob, 01 mai 2012 - 05:33 .

[Utopianus]

I think alot of people agree that in retrospect, gameplay was the not a strength in ME1, but the story and RPG elements were. And I can't think of instances of awkward pauses between conversations - from memory I was in awe at how fluidly the conversations flowed, as if it was a movie if I choose an option before a sentence is finished.

[Well]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I mean, theres so many things that are just wrong and don't flow. 

I could be on the edge of cover and sometimes I can't repeatedly shoot.

Half the time when I choose a conversation choice theres an uneasy pause between when the NPC finsishes talking and when I begin.  It seems so non organic.

Whenever I go to cover thats waist high, Shephard just stand there against it instead of crouching.  I know some will say "WELL GOD!!!....do you want the game to play for you too!!!"  But the fact is anyone with a decent mental capacity would duck appropriately.  I wouldn't think about it in life why would a soldier go "O, hai, I'm getting shot...guess I should duck" >then hit the default button to duck.

Some of the conversations aren't organic either.  It's basically NPC asks a question and the different choices start off like a completely new conversation that someone started.  It's seems sooo odd.


The scale of ME1 is still there and I the RPG elements are better.  But anyone who chooses ME1 over ME2 or ME3.....I dunno....I don't even think it's a matter of opinion.  These things in ME1 are not objective.

I did the same a while back.I enjoyed it though.I think I am the only one who was happy with the inventory system.Combat isn't a big deal with me.It is pixels.I actually found ME 3 more clumsy for me.I also enjoyed the Mako.Dat behind the wheel.

[lillitheris]

ME wove the best story; everyone doesn't like the RPG-style dialogue, but I love it. The combat was bearable, the inventory management pretty bad. I play the Demiurge PC conversion, so I never really encountered any significant bugs.

ME2 slicked the combat and gameplay and still managed to be engaging story-wise, even if it's mostly because of the awesome cast rather than the main storyline (which I personally found OK, but many thought lacking).

ME3 further improved combat and got the inventory/powers balance just about right, but went to hell in a handbasket on the RPG thing.

So, in conclusion, ME2 is the best of the trilogy.

[KingWrex]

Actually just bought mass effect on steam a few days ago, to play on my laptop (ME2 & 3 on my ps3) and yeah the combat is terrible but the story and immersion is just way better and hell the ending doesn't blow either. But yeah ME2 is the best in my opinion.

[sammysoso]

ME1 is my personal favorite.

I miss the methodical pacing and retro vibe. It's also relatively angst free which is refreshing given the rest of the series.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

lillitheris wrote...

ME wove the best story; everyone doesn't like the RPG-style dialogue, but I love it. The combat was bearable, the inventory management pretty bad. I play the Demiurge PC conversion, so I never really encountered any significant bugs.

ME2 slicked the combat and gameplay and still managed to be engaging story-wise, even if it's mostly because of the awesome cast rather than the main storyline (which I personally found OK, but many thought lacking).

ME3 further improved combat and got the inventory/powers balance just about right, but went to hell in a handbasket on the RPG thing.

So, in conclusion, ME2 is the best of the trilogy.

I don't see ME1 having RPG style dialogue.  I see it as very amateurish.  Like someone else said, you can talk to the same person about the same things, half the conversation choices don't flow, and theres one camera during a conversation......to the right and in front.

Edit: 2 camera angles: down and to the right and down and to the left

From my own experience, I gather that some ppl are more easily immersed into games than others.  I think the ME series shows that.  It grew more popular with the more slick it got. 

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 01 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[Zandercode]

Just wanted to add another vote on ME2 being the best in series for me. Of all three, it just felt the most "alive" and rich and expansive (in terms of just how many different places you go and things you do, not in terms of how much free room to explore you have). I think it's mostly the hubs that really made ME2 for me. ME1 had The Citadel and Noveria, ME3 had just The Citadel. ME2 had The Citadel, Illium, Omega, Tuchanka, and if you include the DLC, even some other cool bits like the heist at an art party. It just feels like of all 3, it shows you what the Mass Effect Universe really is the best.

[Tritium315]

The gameplay in one was pretty awful, but it did have the best story out of the three.

[Zandercode]

I'd also add that ME2 felt the most polished by far. Now if ME3 gets its ending right in the EC and restores some of that cut content especially towards the end, receives a steady stream of patches that do a lot more than ME2's ever did, and gets DLC at least as good as ME2's, it could still stand a chance at besting ME2 in my book.

[Gilmadel]

Currently playing through ME1 again. It is . . . difficult. There is so much I like about it, but it is in a very difficult package to enjoy. The battle gameplay is very annoying, dialogues and characters actually feel much more shallow than in ME2 because of the way the dialogue choices work, and the flow of the game is very disjointed. That said, when it works, it works amazingly well. And, when I played it originally years ago, it was groundbreaking. But ME2 and ME3 have really improved on the mechanics, and taken the art of storytelling into some really great places.

[Krunjar]

Sorry i really don't see the supposed "epic storytelling" in ME1. It's just the same as the other lot if with the exception that there is so much more to explore and to do with sidequests in ME1. Honestly I don't know what people are complaining about it's been established since very early that the races of the galaxy weren't going to beat the reapers by their own force of arms. I mean what else COULD it have been but a prothean (and further back) superweapon that utulised the mass relays? I mean why did you think they called the series Mass Effect. This was always how it was going to end. I didn't expect the destruction of the mass relays for certain but I knew in the end the reapers would be defeated by a superweapon that utilized the relays to affect the entire galaxy. I figured THAT out before the end of ME1.

I really get annoyed at people who point out stuff they don't like and call it a Deas Ex Machina. This is speculative Sci Fi EVERYTHING is a damn deus ex. And no one ever complained before because it didn't challenge their preconceptions.

I am digressing but suffice to say i experience the same nostalgia as everyone else but when i went back to play me1 well the epic feel was lost plus honestly alot of the supposed decisions you make are merely red/'blue with the same outcome. I would say bioware established the color selection principle themselves if anything.

[Luzarius]

You must be the same type of person who failed to understand the end of ME3. Makes perfect sense.

[Alibenbaba]

ME1 is different but ok.
At first you need to play careful and use that crouch button and micro powers, later you just stomp them with gunfire. Also, with ME2 in mind it's just great to do sidequests with consequences later in the series.

I feel ME2 really tightened up all the issues of ME1, with just too much lost on customization. I feel its the better game, improving on a great game.

ME3 improved on customization and even more on atmosphere but sacrificed replayability in the process, maybe because MP offers that.

[TODD9999]

If you dislike ME1, then of course that's your call, OP. Personally, I definitely prefer ME2. However, of the OP's listed issues, most of them seem to just be limitations of an older game or personal preference. When I replayed ME1 and ME2 back to back before starting ME3, I was definitely surprised at how much more fun I had playing ME1 than I remembered it being.

So, while the technical flaws are objective, yes, the amount they detract from the game experience is not. I didn't find them more annoying than, say, ME3's "Space Does Everything" problem, i.e., an annoyance at times but not really major, just something you work around.

[Nonoru]

To take cover with waist size cover you have to crouch.

As for combat mechanics ME1 wasn't suppose to be a high speed shooters.Yes it's flawed but it's no big news.