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[AXidenT Gamer]

So with the new patch, bows are unchanged so go for about 30 Dex and rest in Cunning, right? What should you be doing with daggers now then?

[DarkSpiral]

I always give Leliana exactly enough for her quest reward bow (36, I think it was?) and then dump everything else into Cunning.



I'm a bit fuzzy on the patch though; I own an Xbox game, and I believe the console games weren't suffering from the dex bug.

[Slyxen]

Why are you better off pumping Cunning over Dex?

[AXidenT Gamer]

For which, bows or daggers?

[Romeo Longsword]

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Modifié par Romeo Longsword, 08 décembre 2009 - 04:29 .

[Romeo Longsword]

Modifié par Romeo Longsword, 08 décembre 2009 - 04:28 .

[Romeo Longsword]

Dex all the way for me, now dex adds damage for daggers users, and has
been for archers, + attack, defense, as well as physical resist against
incoming talents.

At the end, cun based rogues the like would do
two times the damage, sounds good on paper, but in practice, the
importance of dex when you facing your enermies, you will know the
difference as dex covers such a wide area of your character combat
value.

Have a look at a small example of this vid:



Cunning is good to have, but never have it more than dex, just my view.

[AXidenT Gamer]

So how much extra damage does Cunning give to Bows and Daggers compared to Dex?

[tranj84cl]

If it's working correctly, they should be the same now. So, unless you're going Cunning to use other rogue skills, dexterity is the stat for you.



Still going cunning for bard though

[AXidenT Gamer]

"Still going cunning for bard though :P"



Why so?



Also with the second Assassin talent, how does that work exactly? Wouldn't more Cunning be better for that?

[Honninscrave]

AXidenT Gamer wrote...

"Still going cunning for bard though :P"

Why so?

Because the potency of the Bard songs scales with Cunning.

[AXidenT Gamer]

What about the second Assassin talent?

[AXidenT Gamer]

*Bump* Anyone?

Also here's a poll: http://social.biowar...0629/polls/890/

Modifié par AXidenT Gamer, 08 décembre 2009 - 05:54 .

[Romeo Longsword]

AXidenT Gamer wrote...

"Still going cunning for bard though :P"

Why so?

Also with the second Assassin talent, how does that work exactly? Wouldn't more Cunning be better for that?

Yes it would if you only talking about wht status would benifit to that one talent.

Please have a read on other threads about rogue, you might find it more rewarding by bumping a thread, however nothing to stop you from doing so.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Sorry, I have been looking but it is hard to figure out which people are talking about what version etc...



So with that talent in mind, I suppose I might go Cunning and then rely on Party buffs to increase Attack/Defence...

[Elystia]

I only have so many points in cunning for chests and lockpicking early in the game....other then that, I use Dex for my rogue. Dex seems to help me NOT get hit so much. And cunning helps me pursuade and lockpick at times when needed. But thats just me. 
Everyone's character will be different because we all have different point of views and different game playing stratigies.
"There's only one strategy for me and that's behind the buttocks.....
That's why I choose Lysol, .....
"Disinfect to protect!"  lol   

[Taleroth]

Note: Cunning only adds to your damage, NOT your attack.

[AXidenT Gamer]

With around 36 Dex, though your attack should be pretty decent, right?

[DragoonKain3]

My Leliana archer was still only at 72% hit rate with 35 DEX and using all the +attack rating/+DEX equips I can find. Decent yes, but still a lot of room for improvement. Then again, I was just using Leliana then for rogue utility, so it didn't bother me she was missing a lot.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Would it be a good idea to try and raise both? Like say +1 Dex, +2 Cunning or Vice Versa for each level (for Leliana that is).



What about Zevran? I was thinking doing the +1 Cunning, +2 Dex...

[Silensfurtim]

CUN builds (those who lack Attack rating) can be improved by Party Buffs namely Rally, Song of Courage, Stone Aura, Heroic Offense. CUN Dagger kills faster and damages higher than DEX Dagger due to Exploit Weakness, Tainted Blade and high Armor Penetration. CUN Dagger builds should BACKSTAB always, I repeat, BACKSTAB always. Be a frigging team player and leave the frontlines to the Warriors.



If you want to go the DEX Dagger route, forget backstabbing. With your puny 22 CUN base, you wont be benefiting much from Expoit Weakness and Tainted Blade. With your high attack rating and high defense rating, its better to just spend your time in the frontlines and be the happy swashbuckler that you are.



Kill fast or Survive longer? Choose your builds wisely.

[Gecon]

Its easy ?



Strength: Allows to use "real" melee weapons instead of daggers, gives 1/2 attack and 1x damage

Dexterity: Gives 1/2 attack

Cunning: Gives Armor Penetration and, with Lethality and if higher than Strength, 1x damage (instead of Strength!)



With Dexterity fix and daggers, damage is instead 1/2 Dex, 1/2 Str or Cun.



So if you make a Strength based Rogue, you can use big swords etc and deal a lot of damage plus get high attacks. But for Strength doesnt help you with any Rogue skills, your Rogue will be screwed.



With high Dexterity, you really need the Dexterity fix and use Daggers. That will give you 1/2 damage and very good defense. But then again what do you need that one for? Use Stealth or Feign Death already, and Taunt on your Tank.



With high Cunning, your attack will be bad, but your Armor Penetration will rock, also because you'll be forced to use daggers, as will your damage (if you also have Lethality, anyway). I'm not sure, but doesnt Cunning also raise your chance for critical hits ? Also you will rock as a Rogue, of course.



My personal choice is Cunning. Brilliant Rogue FTW.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Hmm, I'll go for the Cun build for Zevran (+2 Cun, +1 Dex or All Cun?).



What about Leliana and any other archers?

[tranj84cl]

AXidenT Gamer wrote...

Hmm, I'll go for the Cun build for Zevran (+2 Cun, +1 Dex or All Cun?).

What about Leliana and any other archers?

I went with all cunning, to use his Exploit Weakness.  I also had a bunch of +attack though, so him missing wasn't an issue.  Rally + Song of Courage works wonders.  

Leliana, I did the same thing as Zevran.  Just with a bow instead. 

Pre-hotfix, Cunning builds are stronger.  After, Dex is better if you remove party buffs.

[Silensfurtim]

Romeo Longsword wrote...

At the end, cun based rogues the like would do
two times the damage, sounds good on paper, but in practice, the
importance of dex when you facing your enermies, you will know the
difference as dex covers such a wide area of your character combat
value.

Cunning is good to have, but never have it more than dex, just my view.

The thing with CUN Dagger Rogues is that you never have to "FACE" you enemies. Your role is not to be a front-liner. You are there to deliver the highest possible damage and kill enemies as fast as possible. You leave the aggro and tanking to the Warriors.

One reason why CUN build is good is because the best equipment set gives up to +20 Dexterity bonus. There are no equipment sets that offer +20 CUN bonus.  The +20 DEX bonus offsets the CUN Rogues 35 DEX base giving it a decent (if not high) attack and defense ratings, which too can be offset by party buffs.