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[AXidenT Gamer]

If I had Rally on, how much Dex would I need to obtain a decent attack rating?

[Silensfurtim]

High Cunning Benefits



Exploit Weakness - adds an expected (0.52/3) * (cunning-10) bonus damage to each backstab.

Tainted Blade - adds 5 + 0.2 * (cunning-10) bonus damage.

Song of Courage - gains 3 attack (+10% of cunning modifier ), 2 Damage (+5% cunning modifier), Crit chance 3% (+10% cunning modifier).

High Armor Penetration - each point invested in Cunning will add 0.14 Armor Penetration to all attacks of the character.

[Silensfurtim]

Please go to this thread for more info about DW Rogue



http://social.biowar...66/index/223777

[TastyLaksa]

Gecon wrote...

Its easy ?

Strength: Allows to use "real" melee weapons instead of daggers, gives 1/2 attack and 1x damage
Dexterity: Gives 1/2 attack
Cunning: Gives Armor Penetration and, with Lethality and if higher than Strength, 1x damage (instead of Strength!)

With Dexterity fix and daggers, damage is instead 1/2 Dex, 1/2 Str or Cun.

So if you make a Strength based Rogue, you can use big swords etc and deal a lot of damage plus get high attacks. But for Strength doesnt help you with any Rogue skills, your Rogue will be screwed.

With high Dexterity, you really need the Dexterity fix and use Daggers. That will give you 1/2 damage and very good defense. But then again what do you need that one for? Use Stealth or Feign Death already, and Taunt on your Tank.

With high Cunning, your attack will be bad, but your Armor Penetration will rock, also because you'll be forced to use daggers, as will your damage (if you also have Lethality, anyway). I'm not sure, but doesnt Cunning also raise your chance for critical hits ? Also you will rock as a Rogue, of course.

My personal choice is Cunning. Brilliant Rogue FTW.

Just don't name your Cunning rogue "Lingus" like i did. But then...

Lelianna approves +25

[AXidenT Gamer]

Silensfurtim wrote...

Please go to this thread for more info about DW Rogue

http://social.biowar...66/index/223777

Can you point me to any similar threads about archers?

[Silensfurtim]

ive seen alot of Archery threads lately, but nothing as comprehensive as the DW Roge thread.

[AXidenT Gamer]

What would you recommend? Dex or Cun? This is for Leliana so I was thinking Cunning to increase the third Bard Talent... That should also help with the lack of attack from the lesser amount of Dex (especially when coupled with Rally/Motivate).

[emontyj]

since cunning gives strength with a talent, you only need dex for the talents prereq, strength for armour, then everything else dumped unto cunning

This is especially true if you drink the potion in warden's quest. Cunning is improved even more with assassin talents also so it's your best stat.

[Silensfurtim]

to be specific.

STR 20 - prereq for Tier 6-7 Light Armors
DEX 35
CUN all the way

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 08 décembre 2009 - 09:22 .

[Gecon]

And dont forget some items give bonus to stats, so you can probably do well with Str 16 or some such and still use the best armor in the game easily.

[AXidenT Gamer]

OK, I'll do that for Daggers and bows then. Thanks for the help, everyone. =)

[Silensfurtim]

Rogue Base STR 11
Fade Bonus +3 STR
Belt of Anduril +2 STR
Key To The City +2 STR
Helm of Honnleath +2 STR
----------------------
STR 20

You need another 2 points for you to wear Helm of Honnleath.

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 08 décembre 2009 - 09:46 .

[AXidenT Gamer]

emontyj wrote...

since cunning gives strength with a talent, you only need dex for the talents prereq, strength for armour, then everything else dumped unto cunning
This is especially true if you drink the potion in warden's quest. Cunning is improved even more with assassin talents also so it's your best stat.

Wait, which potion?

[Silensfurtim]

There's a potion in Warden's Keep quests that gives you free 2 Power of the Blood talents.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Ah, haven't done Warden's Keep yet. Are those talents worth it for each class?

[Silensfurtim]

AXidenT Gamer wrote...

Ah, haven't done Warden's Keep yet. Are those talents worth it for each class?

The PoB talents are different for each class. I only tried the Power of Blood talents for the Rogue. It's more useful for the CUN rogue, IMO.

Dark Passage - Tapping into the power of tainted blood makes the rogue more nimble,
able to move more quickly while using Stealth and more likely to dodge
a physical attack.


Best for CUN Rogue's survivability.

Tainted Blade - The rogue's blood gushes forth, coating the edges of weapons with a
deadly taint. The character gains a bonus to damage determined by the
cunning attribute, but suffers continuously depleting health in return.
(All enemies hit by the player's weapon receive a damage over time
effect)


This one deals uber damage using the CUN modifier. The depleting health is not as bad as you think it is.

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:32 .

[Hizoka003]

i love how Cun builds lack hit... i have 30 dex and 134 hit at level 16

[rumblefv]

Maxing Cunning isn't going to cripple your hit rate by any means. I went minimal dexterity to qualify for my skills and went all out Cunning. My hit rate by end game was still hovering around 92-95% at hard difficulty.

[Zhijn]

My gawd!. Lol!.



I came looking for answers/tips about archery, but found "cun is best, no dex is best, ur all wrong! both is the best" replies!. xD

[Besetment]

Ehhh, I've tried those high cunning Archer builds and I can't even hit a barndoor. Theres something horribly depressing about priming an Arrow of Slaying with that type of build because it takes like 5 seconds to shoot the arrow, you lose nearly all your stamina, incur a temporary stamina penalty and half the time the arrow misses anyway.

I went minimal dexterity to qualify for my skills and went all out
Cunning. My hit rate by end game was still hovering around 92-95% at
hard difficulty.

How is that even possible? One of my main dudes is a mage and has 95% hitrate and well, mages pretty much always hit.

Modifié par Besetment, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:40 .

[Siven80]

Personally i do a bit of both.



For Archery and Lelianna i get Cunning to 40 and out the rest into Dex. This gives great attack(hit) from the extra dex and a good cunning score.

From testing 40 Cun to 70 Cun the difference of 30 cun with song of courage was only around 1.5dmg, 3%crit but 13 or so attack down from the 40 cunning/higher dex build.

Lethality is a must for archers.



DW rogues tho have more abilities that gain from cunning, especially if you go assasin. So you will prolly want more cunning than dex on a DW, as you should get 20 attack from flanking. Tho im still playing with my DW rogue atm.

[Dasim4]

To me a Rogue is always about sneaking around behind and putting one in the kidney. That's why I went the cunning route. Also there's a chart on here somewhere that showed a duel dagger cunning rogue to put out the highest dps over other builds.

[plecha]

Besetment wrote...

Ehhh, I've tried those high cunning Archer builds and I can't even hit a barndoor. Theres something horribly depressing about priming an Arrow of Slaying with that type of build because it takes like 5 seconds to shoot the arrow, you lose nearly all your stamina, incur a temporary stamina penalty and half the time the arrow misses anyway.

I went minimal dexterity to qualify for my skills and went all out
Cunning. My hit rate by end game was still hovering around 92-95% at
hard difficulty.

How is that even possible? One of my main dudes is a mage and has 95% hitrate and well, mages pretty much always hit.

I think he wasn't talking about ranged

For ranged rogues i wouldn't skimp on dex too much, unless you collect every atk-buff there is maybe.

[AXidenT Gamer]

Siven80 wrote...

Personally i do a bit of both.

For Archery and Lelianna i get Cunning to 40 and out the rest into Dex. This gives great attack(hit) from the extra dex and a good cunning score.
From testing 40 Cun to 70 Cun the difference of 30 cun with song of courage was only around 1.5dmg, 3%crit but 13 or so attack down from the 40 cunning/higher dex build.
Lethality is a must for archers.

DW rogues tho have more abilities that gain from cunning, especially if you go assasin. So you will prolly want more cunning than dex on a DW, as you should get 20 attack from flanking. Tho im still playing with my DW rogue atm.

Maybe +2 Dex and +1 Cunning generally for each level?

[Id of Ith]

Silensfurtim wrote...

Rogue Base STR 11
Fade Bonus +3 STR
Belt of Anduril +2 STR
Key To The City +2 STR
Helm of Honnleath +2 STR
----------------------
STR 20

You need another 2 points for you to wear Helm of Honnleath.

There are 4 points of STR in the Fade.