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[YourFunnyUncle]

So... Either wiping out or subjugating synthetic life is LESS racist that merging with it? Er... OK...

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think that any of the endings are without serious moral problems. You can pick apart the logic of them all, ask why the hell Shepard doesn't argue back more and certainly demand a hell of a lot more explanation but I just can't see synthesis as racist. It would be racist if it were transforming all current life into one of the pre-existing forms such as human but it isn't. It's hybridising them into some new gestalt, the makeup and internal diversity of which is annoyingly totally unexplained.

Modifié par YourFunnyUncle, 01 mai 2012 - 02:02 .

[incinerator950]

It depends on the perspective of things.

[Flextt]

The guy next to Meer looks like he is about to **** his pants before Meer's save.

[DamonD7]

If I had the skill to do such things, I'd put in a paragon interrupt sign the moment when he's hesitating before "is very controversial", then the bongggg noise as he delivers that line.

[tholloway93]

diplomatic answer.

[Kunari801]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

Clap clap clap clap clap

Good save Mark, this is why he's such an awesome guy

What he doesn't say speaks loudly too.  

Well done Mr Meer, his voice gave life to my Commander Shepard so I'm a fan for ever.   "Thank you and goodnight!"

Modifié par Kunari801, 01 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[MstrJedi Kyle]

"What's your opinion of the ending?"

"I should go."

[Bantz]

TheColonel90 wrote...

He should have said, "I should go." instead. Anyways, it was good answer.

think i would have spit my coke out if he had just sat there for a second and then said "i should go". It would have been absolutely fricking hilarious.

[Zkyire]

Bantz wrote...

TheColonel90 wrote...

He should have said, "I should go." instead. Anyways, it was good answer.

think i would have spit my coke out if he had just sat there for a second and then said "i should go". It would have been absolutely fricking hilarious.

Rewatch the video. As soon as the question is asked, he mouths "I should go" before actually speaking.

[The Angry One]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

So... Either wiping out or subjugating synthetic life is LESS racist that merging with it? Er... OK...

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think that any of the endings are without serious moral problems. You can pick apart the logic of them all, ask why the hell Shepard doesn't argue back more and certainly demand a hell of a lot more explanation but I just can't see synthesis as racist. It would be racist if it were transforming all current life into one of the pre-existing forms such as human but it isn't. It's hybridising them into some new gestalt, the makeup and internal diversity of which is annoyingly totally unexplained.

How is destroying the enemy that's trying to destroy you racist? It's you or them.
The bad part comes with holding the Geth hostage to that option. That could be viewed as racist, but again the Catalyst is giving these options - even destroy, and the Catalyst is the galaxy's worst racist of all time.

Control? You're controlling the Reapers, not all synthetic life. Of all the endings it comes with the least amount of catches... aside from leaving the Reapers alive.
Does it therefore make sense? Hell no, but it certainly isn't as morally bankrupt as synthesis.

[Zkyire]

The whole Organics and Synthetics will never get along thing is garbage anyways.

The Geth are synthetic and they go to war with the (Synthetic) Reapers.

The Krogan are organic and they went to war with the (Organic) Council civilisations.

So it's not limited to Synthetics vs Organics.

Modifié par Zkyire, 01 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[D.Sharrah]

My favorite part was the comment..."I should go"

[The Angry One]

Zkyire wrote...

The whole Organics and Synthetics will never get along thing is garbage anyways.

The Geth are synthetic and they go to war with the (Synthetic) Reapers.

The Krogan are organic and they went to war with the (Organic) Council civilisations.

So it's not limited to Synthetics vs Organics.

Some people are so hellbent on defending this logic, that they argue that it includes organics vs. organics, that organic wars will cause collateral damage and the Reapers control that with the cycle.

Because nothing minimises collateral damage like setting planets on fire and blasting apart every artificial structure you come across.

[Necroscope]

Flextt wrote...

The guy next to Meer looks like he is about to **** his pants before Meer's save.

Yea, he doesn't look too happy:

[xsdob]

The smart tactic of not sticking you pens in a horns nest. Excellent.

[The Angry One]

Necroscope wrote...

Flextt wrote...

The guy next to Meer looks like he is about to **** his pants before Meer's save.

Yea, he doesn't look too happy:

*snip*

Who is that guy anyway? He creeps me out.

[eddieoctane]

Probably the only answer Meer could have given. But the look on his face would suggest a tendancy to side with the fans over the developer. Maybe I'm worng, but someone who supported the ending would likely have defended it a bit more. He just wrote it off like a lost cause.

Now I'm just waiting for Family Guy or Robot Chicken to do a joke about the game. The former is far more likely to happen before the EC is released and flops. How great would that cut-away be? Maybe have Brian get knocked down a few pegs over his "art". I wonder how that novel is doing...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

Clever girl...

RAPTORS. WHERE.

At the very least, a bunch of sharks. If EA and BioWare got bloodied up enough for Nexon to be supposedly making a purchase offer, you've got to wonder who else might be waiting to take a bite.  Those are some chummed waters, for sure.

[Quietness]

Hehe i was at that panel. Was the first person at his table on Friday , great guy , made my N7 case far more bada** (and also Lance was amazing ... front of the box now says Hackett Out .. didnt even ask for that and signed by him)

[The Angry One]

Quietness wrote...

Hehe i was at that panel. Was the first person at his table on Friday , great guy , made my N7 case far more bada** (and also Lance was amazing ... front of the box now says Hackett Out .. didnt even ask for that and signed by him)

Bah I'm jelly. I've seen a few like those done by Lance, I think he's used to it by now. I like that it remains in his mind, shows he cares.

[Skyline45]

Hahahahaha Check out the dudes face thats sitting next to him when Mark responds.

[rfalzar]

Was anyone else expecting him to pull out the Shepard voice and be like "I should go..."

[Quietness]

The Angry One wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Hehe i was at that panel. Was the first person at his table on Friday , great guy , made my N7 case far more bada** (and also Lance was amazing ... front of the box now says Hackett Out .. didnt even ask for that and signed by him)

Bah I'm jelly. I've seen a few like those done by Lance, I think he's used to it by now. I like that it remains in his mind, shows he cares.

He got a huge grin when i handed him it lol "oh what's that line everyone loves to hear..... oh yea.. (serious face) Hackett Out" i think i just started to grin like an idiot. Asked what i wanted and i just said whatever he wants... was great.

 

[kegNeggs]

about the only thing he could say really without getting heat from either the fans or the companies. nice dodge

[YourFunnyUncle]

The Angry One wrote...

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

So... Either wiping out or subjugating synthetic life is LESS racist that merging with it? Er... OK...

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think that any of the endings are without serious moral problems. You can pick apart the logic of them all, ask why the hell Shepard doesn't argue back more and certainly demand a hell of a lot more explanation but I just can't see synthesis as racist. It would be racist if it were transforming all current life into one of the pre-existing forms such as human but it isn't. It's hybridising them into some new gestalt, the makeup and internal diversity of which is annoyingly totally unexplained.

How is destroying the enemy that's trying to destroy you racist? It's you or them.
The bad part comes with holding the Geth hostage to that option. That could be viewed as racist, but again the Catalyst is giving these options - even destroy, and the Catalyst is the galaxy's worst racist of all time.

Control? You're controlling the Reapers, not all synthetic life. Of all the endings it comes with the least amount of catches... aside from leaving the Reapers alive.
Does it therefore make sense? Hell no, but it certainly isn't as morally bankrupt as synthesis.

Here's the thing. It's no longer "you or them" because whatever option you choose, you will no longer be at war with the Reapers going forward. There are three options, none of which involve continued war with the reapers.

In my mind, I place a high importance on the fact that the reapers contain the remnants of all previous sentient organic races for 50 million years. Synthesis is the only option that gives these past species a chance of a future autonomous existence in some form, so to me it is the LEAST racist of the options.

The problem here is of course that the consequences of each option are so poorly explained that we are both extrapolating the outcome of synthesis way beyond what we have been told, and coming to different conclusions based on wholly incomplete data.

[Merchant2006]

Necroscope wrote...

Flextt wrote...

The guy next to Meer looks like he is about to **** his pants before Meer's save.

Yea, he doesn't look too happy:

That 'guy' you speak of is Quinton Flynn,[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> the voice actor for KOLYAT ]RAIDEN[/color] from the Metal Gear Series.

Also, here's a brilliant video of Quinton & Jennifer Hale (amongst the rest of the MGS voice cast) doing some hilarious improvisation where they pretend to be their ingame characters in real life. Love it.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 01 mai 2012 - 03:59 .