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[goose2989]

Clever. It may not seem like much, but I feel he took a stance to support the fans, not so much in what he said specifically, but how he said it.

[The Angry One]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

Here's the thing. It's no longer "you or them" because whatever option you choose, you will no longer be at war with the Reapers going forward. There are three options, none of which involve continued war with the reapers.

In my mind, I place a high importance on the fact that the reapers contain the remnants of all previous sentient organic races for 50 million years. Synthesis is the only option that gives these past species a chance of a future autonomous existence in some form, so to me it is the LEAST racist of the options.

They are mass murderers. They deserve no autonomy. Regardless of control, Harbinger revelled in what he did. So did Sovereign.
They certainly do not deserve to win, which is what synthesis gives them. Total victory.

The problem here is of course that the consequences of each option are so poorly explained that we are both extrapolating the outcome of synthesis way beyond what we have been told, and coming to different conclusions based on wholly incomplete data.

That much is a given.

[Kushan101]

Does anyone know if he actually plays ME? stupid question but just because he's one of the main voice artists doesn't mean he actually plays computer games...

[YourFunnyUncle]

The Angry One wrote...

They are mass murderers. They deserve no autonomy. Regardless of control, Harbinger revelled in what he did. So did Sovereign.
They certainly do not deserve to win, which is what synthesis gives them. Total victory.

You think that, but I don't see it that way. I see it as giving their victims a renewed chance to live on in some form. Neither of us can say for sure that we are right, so attacking someone as racist for preferring synthesis is quite simply not justified unless we get enough clarification of the consequences of the choices.

Modifié par YourFunnyUncle, 01 mai 2012 - 04:09 .

[The Angry One]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They are mass murderers. They deserve no autonomy. Regardless of control, Harbinger revelled in what he did. So did Sovereign.
They certainly do not deserve to win, which is what synthesis gives them. Total victory.

You think that, but I don't see it that way. I see it as giving their victims a renewed chance to live on in some form. Neither of us can say for sure that we are right, so attacking someone as racist for preferring synthesis is quite simply not justified unless we get enough clarification of the consequences of the choices.

Again I never said anyone who likes synthesis is racist, but synthesis itself is racist and I will argue with them over it whenever I can.
The idea that the staff at BioWare itself regards synthesis as the best ending is, honestly, hurtful. It makes me wonder why I've spent all these years playing their games and thinking them awesome when it all ends like this.

[incinerator950]

The Angry One wrote...

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They are mass murderers. They deserve no autonomy. Regardless of control, Harbinger revelled in what he did. So did Sovereign.
They certainly do not deserve to win, which is what synthesis gives them. Total victory.

You think that, but I don't see it that way. I see it as giving their victims a renewed chance to live on in some form. Neither of us can say for sure that we are right, so attacking someone as racist for preferring synthesis is quite simply not justified unless we get enough clarification of the consequences of the choices.

Again I never said anyone who likes synthesis is racist, but synthesis itself is racist and I will argue with them over it whenever I can.
The idea that the staff at BioWare itself regards synthesis as the best ending is, honestly, hurtful. It makes me wonder why I've spent all these years playing their games and thinking them awesome when it all ends like this.

Is that rhetorical?

[VendettaI154]

Mark Meer uses Run.

He got away safely.

[YourFunnyUncle]

The Angry One wrote...

Again I never said anyone who likes synthesis is racist, but synthesis itself is racist and I will argue with them over it whenever I can.
The idea that the staff at BioWare itself regards synthesis as the best ending is, honestly, hurtful. It makes me wonder why I've spent all these years playing their games and thinking them awesome when it all ends like this.

And you feel that way even after I've shown you that it's perfectly possible to read the synthesis ending in a completely different way to the way you do?

[The Angry One]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Again I never said anyone who likes synthesis is racist, but synthesis itself is racist and I will argue with them over it whenever I can.
The idea that the staff at BioWare itself regards synthesis as the best ending is, honestly, hurtful. It makes me wonder why I've spent all these years playing their games and thinking them awesome when it all ends like this.

And you feel that way even after I've shown you that it's perfectly possible to read the synthesis ending in a completely different way to the way you do?

It doesn't matter how it ends, the very philosophy behind it is racist and intolerant. It teaches that people can never co-exist if they're different, that differences are a bad thing, that homogenisation is the way forward.

[Mr.House]

The fact that Meer dodged the question just means he does not like the ending but does not want to say that so he does not get screwed by EA/Bioware. Great dodge sir, great dodge.

[incinerator950]

The Angry One wrote...

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Again I never said anyone who likes synthesis is racist, but synthesis itself is racist and I will argue with them over it whenever I can.
The idea that the staff at BioWare itself regards synthesis as the best ending is, honestly, hurtful. It makes me wonder why I've spent all these years playing their games and thinking them awesome when it all ends like this.

And you feel that way even after I've shown you that it's perfectly possible to read the synthesis ending in a completely different way to the way you do?

It doesn't matter how it ends, the very philosophy behind it is racist and intolerant. It teaches that people can never co-exist if they're different, that differences are a bad thing, that homogenisation is the way forward.

Angry, I'm pretty sure that's you're perspective on it, when everyone should take the gander they probably don't view it that way, or intended it to be viewed that way.

[YourFunnyUncle]

The Angry One wrote...

It doesn't matter how it ends, the very philosophy behind it is racist and intolerant. It teaches that people can never co-exist if they're different, that differences are a bad thing, that homogenisation is the way forward.

But you don't know how homogenous this newly created life actually is! In my ending I saw that EDi still looked like EDI, Joker still looked human and Liara (as my LI) still looked Asari. As far as I can see the synthesis means that they now have a hybrid organic/synthetic base, but not that all variation is eliminated as you seem to be implying.

Modifié par YourFunnyUncle, 01 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[idunhavaname]

Very clever. You don't want to burn bridgers.He made the right choice.

[AlexXIV]

incinerator950 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Again I never said anyone who likes synthesis is racist, but synthesis itself is racist and I will argue with them over it whenever I can.
The idea that the staff at BioWare itself regards synthesis as the best ending is, honestly, hurtful. It makes me wonder why I've spent all these years playing their games and thinking them awesome when it all ends like this.

And you feel that way even after I've shown you that it's perfectly possible to read the synthesis ending in a completely different way to the way you do?

It doesn't matter how it ends, the very philosophy behind it is racist and intolerant. It teaches that people can never co-exist if they're different, that differences are a bad thing, that homogenisation is the way forward.

Angry, I'm pretty sure that's you're perspective on it, when everyone should take the gander they probably don't view it that way, or intended it to be viewed that way.

But is still indirectly supports racist ideology. Two different things cannot come together. Cannot coexist. It follows there will be conflict. It follows you must stick with your 'sort'.

It doesn't outright advertise racism, and many people who chose synthesis are not racists. But it does support racist tendency with those that already have it in them. It ends with someone trying to kill all other races so that only one race remains and there is peace, because that's the only way there can ever be peace. Because in real life we can't just merge everyone. Well we can merge humans. Because we are basically one race. But other races ... better kill them first than the other way round.

Still, calling people who choose synthesis or even Bioware racist because of that is out of line. And I really don't think we should hang it so high because it's rather something that happened and is unfortunate and has not been motivated by anyone.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[Christianswe]

Good answer sir.

[YourFunnyUncle]

AlexXIV wrote...

But is still indirectly supports racist ideology. Two different things cannot come together. Cannot coexist. It follows there will be conflict. It follows you must stick with your 'sort'.

It doesn't outright advertise racism, and many people who chose synthesis are not racists. But it does support racist tendency with those that already have it in them. It ends with someone trying to kill all other races so that only one race remains and there is peace, because that's the only way there can ever be peace. Because in real life we can't just merge everyone. Well we can merge humans. Because we are basically one race. But other races ... better kill them first than the other way round.

Still, calling people who choose synthesis or even Bioware racist because of that is out of line. And I really don't think we should hang it so high because it's rather something that happened and is unfortunate and has not been motivated by anyone.

Surely destroy is worse in that case because you are eliminating all synthetics. I can see why by your reasoning you would prefer control as it allows the geth and EDI their autonomy, but you are still subjugating an entire synthetic race which has as its base all the organic civilisations of the past 50 millenia. Surely the point is supposed to be that there is no easy or "right" option.

[eddieoctane]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...
Here's the thing. It's no longer "you or them" because whatever option you choose, you will no longer be at war with the Reapers going forward. There are three options, none of which involve continued war with the reapers.

In my mind, I place a high importance on the fact that the reapers contain the remnants of all previous sentient organic races for 50 million years. Synthesis is the only option that gives these past species a chance of a future autonomous existence in some form, so to me it is the LEAST racist of the options.

The problem here is of course that the consequences of each option are so poorly explained that we are both extrapolating the outcome of synthesis way beyond what we have been told, and coming to different conclusions based on wholly incomplete data.

Well, the Catalyst says control is only buying time and that you will want to come back and continue the cycle, so the war is really more akin to the situation on the Korean peninsula if you go that route. If you take synthesis, unless atoms are now somehow alive, too, a purely synthetic construct can still be built, and a purely organic organism can evolve from the primordial soup somewhere. As the conflict was just put off for millions instead of thousands of years but still inherently exists, there is nothing stopping the Reapers from coming back 100 million years from now and reaping everything all over again.

So really, you're at war but under a cease-fire, always waiting for the crazy bastards that no one can understand (are we talking about the Kim's or the Reapers?) to do somethign stupid and re-spark the war. And since you've just used the only trump card you had to hit the pause button for an undetermined amount of time, the next go-around will result in the "genocide" of the Reapers since they won't stop until every last one of them is blasted into pieces and then fed to a black hole.

What's uplifting about pushing the problem off to another generation, exactly? Where's the victory in that? It sounds distinctly like most governments' attitudes towards the environment and the economy. I'll admit I procrastinate, but never at the potential cost of lives.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

He either A.didn't much care for being neutered by the ending or B. Likes having fans and living

[AlexXIV]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

But is still indirectly supports racist ideology. Two different things cannot come together. Cannot coexist. It follows there will be conflict. It follows you must stick with your 'sort'.

It doesn't outright advertise racism, and many people who chose synthesis are not racists. But it does support racist tendency with those that already have it in them. It ends with someone trying to kill all other races so that only one race remains and there is peace, because that's the only way there can ever be peace. Because in real life we can't just merge everyone. Well we can merge humans. Because we are basically one race. But other races ... better kill them first than the other way round.

Still, calling people who choose synthesis or even Bioware racist because of that is out of line. And I really don't think we should hang it so high because it's rather something that happened and is unfortunate and has not been motivated by anyone.

Surely destroy is worse in that case because you are eliminating all synthetics. I can see why by your reasoning you would prefer control as it allows the geth and EDI their autonomy, but you are still subjugating an entire synthetic race which has as its base all the organic civilisations of the past 50 millenia. Surely the point is supposed to be that there is no easy or "right" option.

No I hate all endings but I would pick destroy if I had to choose. Because it is at least a bit rebellious. And I want to express my protest. That the Geth die is unfortunate but I have no way to save them. If it were the Quarians or Krogans it would be the same choice. It is not about what race they are. It is that if I destroy the Reapers, it also destroys the Geth. My motivation however, is not to destroy the Geth. That's just the sacrifice I am forced to make.

Control is worse than destroy because in essence Shepard becomes a Reaper. I can't see how that was ever a good choice to end this game.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

You need to learn the difference between attacking a person and disagreeing with an argument.
If I disagree with you, I am not attacking you. If you call it an attack, then yes you do have a martyr complex. I say this to him specifically because he ALWAYS does this. He ALWAYS runs around making personal attacks after someone disagrees with him, then accusing others of attacking him. Hence, martyr complex.

I love how you pulled this out of the air.

Can you link me to any of these posts of mine you speak of?

[humes spork]

The Angry One wrote...

Some people are so hellbent on defending this logic, that they argue that it includes organics vs. organics, that organic wars will cause collateral damage and the Reapers control that with the cycle.

Because nothing minimises collateral damage like setting planets on fire and blasting apart every artificial structure you come across.

Well, since you've apparently brought it upon yourself to bring the topic of a completely different, unrelated thread, to indirectly call me out for a statement you failed to comprehend, I figured I'd just lay this to rest now in the scope of this thread by creating my own to answer these allegations.

http://social.biowar...790722#11790722

[soulprovider]

res27772 wrote...

What did he/they say, I've been having problems with the audio on my PC lately and right now it ain't working.

Just a jist, you don't have to quote the whole thing.

Thx.

QUOTE VIDEO:

Panel head: Ok one more question, mmmmmmnnnnnnh yes over there
Questioner: whats your opinion on the mass effect 3 ending?
*******shock face, somewhat*************
the crowd laughs loud enough to drown out the sound
meer: well
*hand in the air for quiet*
meer: I think I can say without fear of correction, that the ending of mass effect 3 is controversial
*crown erups in laughter*
meer: Thank you! and good night!
crown claps to loud to hear anything else.

[sergio71785]

He should have turned on his Shepard voice and said "I should go."

[Luigitornado]

"I should go."

Missed opportunity lol

Modifié par Luigitornado, 01 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[Jayelle Janson]

Kushan101 wrote...

Does anyone know if he actually plays ME? stupid question but just because he's one of the main voice artists doesn't mean he actually plays computer games...

He's said in interviews that he does play the game and his first playthrough is always renegade so he can redeem his decisions in his second playthrough.

If his first playthrough of ME3 was as a pure renegade then the ending probably wouldn't have been so bad for him considering what he must have done throughout the whole game.