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[Kyle Dei]

AlexXIV wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

Akal Ashata Alis wrote...

John Epler wrote...

As with all BioWare staff, his opinion is his own.

I'm of the school of thought that 'if you consume a product, you are welcome to criticize and critique it'..

Exactly. Well said. 

That is wrong.

He represents his company.

If my boss catches me insulting a customer he will fire me and/or apologize to the customer.

Because you are unimportant. The higher you climb the ladder the more can you insult customers.

Not with Bioware's Zero Tolerance on Abusing Staff members. Soon some smart guy in a suit will realize "Hang on a minute, that works both ways!"

[Taboo]

Kyle Dei wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

XwebraiderX wrote...

Akal Ashata Alis wrote...

John Epler wrote...

As with all BioWare staff, his opinion is his own.

I'm of the school of thought that 'if you consume a product, you are welcome to criticize and critique it'..

Exactly. Well said. 

That is wrong.

He represents his company.

If my boss catches me insulting a customer he will fire me and/or apologize to the customer.

Because you are unimportant. The higher you climb the ladder the more can you insult customers.

Not with Bioware's Zero Tolerance on Abusing Staff members. Soon some smart guy in a suit will realize "Hang on a minute, that works both ways!"

But will it be too late? How is this still going on so unchecked? And by people who are so high on the ladder?

[XwebraiderX]

And this argument is still invalid. The higher you climb, the LESS can you insult customers. Its all about being heard by enough people to cause a reaction.

For this video: There is just not enough consciousness (hope that is correctly spelled/used here), awareness. If this was in the news on a major channel and reaches enough people this could have the potential to harm them.

Now imagine yourself the same conversation between a single customer and a clerk. No one would give a ****. And thats why the higher you are, the more careful SHOULD you have to be.

Thats why I am amazed that somebody like this douche still can work for a major company.

[AtreiyaN7]

Things that I find (an) insulting (waste of my time):

• This thread.
• Melodrama about joking in a keynote speech.
• This thread.
• People who constantly get bent out of shape and find every single thing offensive/insulting,
• This thread.
• Things that should be in the off-topic forum when they don't really have much (or anything at all) to do with ME3.
• This thread.

[shadowreflexion]

 Just finished watching it and I find it disturbing.

If you are going to release a product, and it doesn't matter what quality it is, then why release a product? According to Paul, it DOES not matter. His opinion is not full of truths but instead he tries too hard to interject jokes and ridiculous metaphors. Yes, his opinion is his own but, when there is a company behind him, his opinion becomes a reflection on the company. He's right. We as consumers do not need to know how the product is built from the ground up. (Although it would be interesting to know more about the decision process.) But as consumers, is it safe to say that whatever the quality is, good or bad, we will release it? That's the problem that I have with his statements. 

Also, did anyone catch the out with the old, in with the new statement he made? Basically, the gen that's playing games today are going to be the future designers. I feel that this line of thought is so flawed that it will eventually give credence to another crash. He speaks too aggressively in order to try to make a point, there is no real balance struck between the consumer and producer.

Companies are quickly forgetting that the consumer helps stock prices, helps determine success, and can even affect the game budgets that they receive. Even though, I can't find anything linking him with the ME franchise, he still creates a cause and effect ripple simply because he works for the company. He is not a very humble individual and his opinion will create a schism.

What will it take? Will a company choose to remain "in the red" before they listen? What will it take? Gamers that have been playing since Atari, DOS, Colleco, etc. to finally walk away. WHAT WILL IT TAKE? Finding out that a group of casual gamers were a bad investment in the long run while alienating the consumers who have contributed to the growth. Do not allow people who are connected to your company to publically slam the consumer in a condescending manner like a parent chastising a child because these children can fight back.

Times are changing. If you want my money, you earn it. Don't "spit" in my face and think you're going to take it regardless because many of us are informed consumers who don't rely on parents and friends to make purchases.

[Taboo]

What I find more apalling is the hitchcock quote.

YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANT IN THAT STATEMENT DON'T YOU?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 01 mai 2012 - 07:02 .

[The Angry One]

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 mai 2012 - 07:03 .

[Siansonea]

termokanden wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

The overall tone of the presentation is problematic too. 'Scathing wit' only works in certain circumstances, and only when expertly handled by someone who is primarily a commentator, not a participant. When you are being filmed at one of these things, one thing that should be going through your head is "hey, this is reaching a wider audience, not just these schmoes sitting here". So dial back on the condescension, the derision, and the contempt for your customer. Don't slam the Internet. Don't slam anybody, if you can help it. Know your limits as a stand-up comic, especially if it doesn't say "stand-up comic" on your business card.

No doubt this reflects poorly on the company. But I wouldn't go as far as to say it somehow proves that BioWare hates their customers (I know this isn't what you said, by the way). I'm trying to keep my head cool because a lot of people are going completely nuts on BSN. Some of it is justified, a lot of it is not. Perhaps some of the comments you mention were in response to the all out assault on BioWare on these forums. It may not professional to retaliate, but I can't imagine it's easy to keep being civil in this situation.

I'll let their products do the talking.

That's reasonable, and honestly that's what I'm going to do as well, for the most part. I'll buy a superb product no matter how churlish the creator of the product is, but I WON'T buy a 'borderline' product. And I'm more dispassionate than your average forum user, I think. Attitude is important, and it SHOWS, and these people need to realize that their scorn isn't as subtle as they might think.

[XwebraiderX]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Things that I find (an) insulting (waste of my time):

Wasting time telling people that they waste their time

Fixd.

We also saw you did analyize the Synthesis ending. We didnt read it (waste of our time).

Modifié par XwebraiderX, 01 mai 2012 - 07:06 .

[Slappy Ya Face]

Yes, but at least he was being honest.

[John Epler]

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

[rachellouise]

Is he aiming to be a stand up? He sounds like some of the brit comedians on 'live at the apollo' or something

[Cutlass Jack]

Opsrbest wrote...

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

Yes people would cry about being oppressed if this got locked down. Because this thread is completely about ME3 Story and Campaign discussion.

[Sesshaku]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Things that I find (an) insulting (waste of my time):

• This thread.
• Melodrama about joking in a keynote speech.
• This thread.
• People who constantly get bent out of shape and find every single thing offensive/insulting,
• This thread.
• Things that should be in the off-topic forum when they don't really have much (or anything at all) to do with ME3.
• This thread.

Things that I find (an) insulting (waste of my time):
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[*]Your Post.

[*]Your Post.

[*]Your Post.

[*]Your Post.

[*]Your Post.

[*]Your Post.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 01 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[AtreiyaN7]

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I have never, ever done anything like heaping praise on the endings. I've said that I'm okay with it and was satisfied with the ending that I chose despite the plot holes and quibbles I have.  I've also defended Synthesis, but that doesn't involve praising the endings either.

Now, why don't you go back to making things up about how terrible the post-ME3 future or writing overly dramatic posts accusing the devs/endings of being malicious and cruel instead of making things up about my opinion of the endings, hmm? Oh, and funny thing about you mentioning complaining - this thread kind of seems to involve complaining about some speech allegedly being insulting.

I don't see anyone locking it, so you're all entitled to express your opinions, just like I'm entitled to slam them because I find this topic inane - especially after linked video.

[AlexXIV]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

Yes people would cry about being oppressed if this got locked down. Because this thread is completely about ME3 Story and Campaign discussion.

Well there is a point. Not ME3 related. LOCKDOWN. But mods have been careful to not lock down threads recently. You know, oil, fire, etc.

[NS Wizdum]

John Epler wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

I used to moderate an Airsoft forum. The only thing worse than moderating a forum is moderating a forum where your users get to shoot at you on weekends.

[AlexXIV]

John Epler wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

Ah come on you can't fool me. 2 months a go Mr. Woo or Mr. Priestly would have locked this thread in a heartbeat. Actually many threads around here just because they are not ME3 related or maybe another thread exists etc. Moderation has clearly let alot of things go. Mind you I was banned first time in my life a couple of weeks ago, but I still think that was an accident when someone swung the banhammer and I was in the way. I never got to know what for anyhow.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 mai 2012 - 07:36 .

[Versidious]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I have never, ever done anything like heaping praise on the endings. I've said that I'm okay with it and was satisfied with the ending that I chose despite the plot holes and quibbles I have.  I've also defended Synthesis, but that doesn't involve praising the endings either.

Now, why don't you go back to making things up about how terrible the post-ME3 future or writing overly dramatic posts accusing the devs/endings of being malicious and cruel instead of making things up about my opinion of the endings, hmm? Oh, and funny thing about you mentioning complaining - this thread kind of seems to involve complaining about some speech allegedly being insulting.

I don't see anyone locking it, so you're all entitled to express your opinions, just like I'm entitled to slam them because I find this topic inane - especially after linked video.

While I would prefer not to step into the middle of a developing flame war...  Saying that something has satisfied you is actually praise.

[LordJeyl]

Has BioWare done anything since ME3 that's been universally positive? It seems as though everywhere I look, things just get more and more ridiculous.

[AlexXIV]

NS Wizdum wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

I used to moderate an Airsoft forum. The only thing worse than moderating a forum is moderating a forum where your users get to shoot at you on weekends.

Omg I loled. Geez.

[ShepnTali]

For the record, Roger Ebert is a screenwriter, but much more notably, he's probably the most famous movie critic. In the states anyway.

[ShepnTali]

LordJeyl wrote...

Has BioWare done anything since ME3 that's been universally positive? It seems as though everywhere I look, things just get more and more ridiculous.

It's a rough time for sure, and who knows how the whole ME ordeal will shake out in the end. But for those disappointed people still hanging on to Bioware, I have to believe DA3 will be all the better because of this. I would think, anyway.

[AlexXIV]

ShepnTali wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Has BioWare done anything since ME3 that's been universally positive? It seems as though everywhere I look, things just get more and more ridiculous.

It's a rough time for sure, and who knows how the whole ME ordeal will shake out in the end. But for those disappointed people still hanging on to Bioware, I have to believe DA3 will be all the better because of this. I would think, anyway.

Yeah that's the line of thought I had after DA2. ME3 will be all the better for it.