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[Skyline45]

John Epler wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

John Epler wrote...

As with all BioWare staff, his opinion is his own.

I'm of the school of thought that 'if you consume a product, you are welcome to criticize and critique it'. That doesn't mean that, occasionally, you aren't going to necessarily understand something that's rather specialized - but why would you? It's not your job to know about things like production and resource costs. That's the job of the company - all you need to know is 'did I enjoy the product' and 'what parts of the game did I or did I not enjoy'.

If I dont know the details you describe then how can I make an informed purchase as a consumer?

Because the details that should inform your purchase aren't things like 'how many man hours is it going to take to implement this feature' or 'what's the cost of outsourcing X art asset versus doing it in-house', but rather 'does this feature do what I want' or 'is this content the sort of thing I'm going to enjoy?' That's what I mean when I talk about things that, as a ocnsumer, you won't necessarily understand.

So if I find out that a company for example uses outscourcing for their product that not only reduces the cost of said production cost but also reduces the quality of said product it wouldnt influence my decsion in purchasing said product?

If that's important to you, then that's entirely your prerogative, but it's not information we're going to be releasing. Things such as resource allocation and development costs are privileged information, and it's information that very few businesses (especially publicly traded ones, due to SEC regulations) are ever going to release. If that makes you not want to purchase our products, that's your right and responsibility as a consumer, but it's not going to change whether or not we release this kind of data.

I respect your answer sir, and thank you for taking the time to address my inquiries. This stuff does influence my decsion along with many others I hold congress with. Call it a matter of knowing the products to the fullest so we can appreciate them the most.

Also, I have no quarrel with what information or data companies release. If anything is to be learned in this age of information is that there is no "hidding" anything on the internet.

Modifié par Skyline45, 01 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[element eater]

thats just awful

Modifié par element eater, 01 mai 2012 - 10:17 .

[The Angry One]

LordJeyl wrote...

Has BioWare done anything since ME3 that's been universally positive? It seems as though everywhere I look, things just get more and more ridiculous.

Well there's... erm.... um...  well Allan and John are pretty nice.

Still it's important to remember this Barnett guy is BioWare in name only.

[MKGDX]

He is entitled to have opinions, as we all are...

BUT, we need to be aware of the CONSEQUENCES of how, where, and when we voice those opinions. It doesn't really matter if he had a hand in Mass Effect or not, he is a part of the same company and he's fanning the flames to the perception that BIoWare and/or EA doesn't care about the people that are buying from them.

In the comments under the video, at least one person won't purchase anything from EA because of his opinion and another hopes he gets fired.
Personally, I hope the PR department prevents him from public speaking again.

[AlexXIV]

Well they are working on the EC. That's at least not negative.

[LordJeyl]

Pspsps. He dissed Mario.

[IanPolaris]

AlexXIV wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Has BioWare done anything since ME3 that's been universally positive? It seems as though everywhere I look, things just get more and more ridiculous.

It's a rough time for sure, and who knows how the whole ME ordeal will shake out in the end. But for those disappointed people still hanging on to Bioware, I have to believe DA3 will be all the better because of this. I would think, anyway.

Yeah that's the line of thought I had after DA2. ME3 will be all the better for it.

I would have thought ME3 would have been better for the lessons learned from DA2.  We all know how that turned out....

-Polaris

[oblique9]

It seems to be their belief that their consumers opinion of their product is less important than the creators opinion of the product.

So what if nobody wants to buy the stuff I make, I like it!

This arrogant clown in the video explains some of how EA is voted as the worlds worst company (however silly that poll may be).

Modifié par oblique9, 01 mai 2012 - 08:23 .

[thefallen2far]

I watched a few minutes of this. I'm not understanding the context. Is he at a game developer's convention? If he is, then of course he's going to say the customer isn't important to the game maker, he's trying to appeal to his audience [look at the bad jokes and the way h holds his microphone too close to his mouth considering his volume... obviously, he's not a professional speaker in a professional setting. ] If a politician is at an elementary school says "you children are the most important people in this country and should be heard" he doesn't actually believe this. He's just saying that as inspiration at that moment. He'll still call on the standing army for foreign policy.

I gaurantee you if this guy was actually in front of fans [like the one who told him about the ending] he wouldn't tell him to his face "so? You don't matter, I'm the game developer. I have the title of game maker. your opinion doesn't matter."

From what I've seen in art, it's usually the other way around. The quality critique of the artist doesn't matter. Film makers, writers, artists.... they can't just say that something they make is good or bad, they just made it. When I edited movies, I thought they were good, but critics will prove you wrong. Artists spend years with the same project, so if they have what they think is a great idea, but it fals ridiculously short of your intenet, you're not going to know about it until you find out how hard it is to do your next job. Even if people pan your movie and laugh their behinds off how bad it is, you don't see in for at least 3 years after you're away from it.... then you know.

[FOX216BC]

This guy acts like he invented the wheel.
The words of Hannibal Barca comes to mind when i hear him speak.
"I have seen during my life many old fools; but this one beats them all"

Modifié par FOX216BC, 01 mai 2012 - 08:26 .

[jeff359]

Man that guy was irritating, I can't tell if i'm angry; mostly annoyed and kinda embarrassed for the other folk at Bioware. There is no way they are like that guy, in fact i'd say most people in general aren't like that guy.

And thanks John for stopping by to show us that.

[Subject Alpha]

Gone are the days Bioware listened to it's customers, it seems.

[xsdob]

I do not see the relevance for a person who has not advised any decisions in bioware to be on this forums and a topic for rage.

His division is for mythic entertainment, so unless this is warhammer online's forums all of a sudden I can't see how it related to anything in bioware's Edmonton branch.

Modifié par xsdob, 01 mai 2012 - 08:35 .

[Gmandam]

xsdob wrote...

I do not see the relevance for a person who has not advised any decisions in bioware to be on this forums and a topic for rage.

His division is for mythic entertainment, so unless this is warhammer online's forums all of a sudden I can't see how it related to anything in bioware's Edmonton branch.

It's related because atm with so many feelings runing high any bit of information from EA/Bioware is seen as indicative of what the company believes. Even if not true.

[AlexXIV]

I really think EA may have to think about some of their business views. Or at least think about voicing it publicly. They have gotten alot of fire for it recently. Not excatly good PR. And obviously they are not that powerful yet that they don't need PR to be successful.

[xsdob]

That's just it, he's not with beware at all. He is with mythic entertainment, not beware. The fact that eating holds a lazziefare control over the 2 does not make representatives of those separate companies interchangeable.

[xsdob]

My.phone sucks. It.keeps making bioware into beware.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well I took a look at the pants and saw the stripe on the side. They look like Seminole County size 34L Crazy, and the red slipons with no socks. Okay.

But I suppose if he wants to pull that crap about "hey, you can't critique a game unless you've published one,"

Well, I guess I'm a game maker. I've programmed one. Have it on disk (somewhere), and had it for download 10 yrs ago. 20,000 downloads, no longer available. So I can critique this game then. So pbbbbbt to you, Peter Barnett. -- the ending sucks.

And I think you're wrong.

[xsdob]

Among other problems such as no editing ability for these forums or quote function.

[ShepnTali]

Wonder what he thinks about 75 perfect scores from critics...

[SolidisusSnake1]

ShepnTali wrote...

Wonder what he thinks about 75 perfect scores from critics...

Oh man this made me LOL!

But yeah everyone is titled to there own opinion but his is WRONG. I mean it is so arrogant I cannot even imagine how he managed to say such a thing without his brain jumping out of his head. If that kind of logic was applied to everything then nobody's opinion would be valid on anything. He tries to relate this to parenting where "if you dont have a kid STFU" even such an opinion as that is just dumb. There are many professional Child Psychiatrists, Social Workers, etc. that dont have kids and I would consider their opinion more vaild than your average parent. Also you dont need to be a parent to know that you dont hold a baby upside down, just as you dont need to be a game developer to know that the ending of ME3 is a piece of ****

[Myrmedus]

Wow, what an unbelievably self-important yet ignorant viewpoint: your opinion only matters if you make the particular product you're deciding upon. So guys, remember that any time you dislike a meal in a restaurant your opinion is worthless if you're not a chef!

I got a key cut today but it doesn't fit the lock it's meant to: sorry, irrelevant! You're not a chaser so your opinion is worthless!

I wonder why companies actually create surveys to ask the opinions of their customer-base on products when their opinions don't matter? Hmm...what a dilemma!

I guess those "75 perfect score" reviews are also worthless since most came from game critics who do not develop games themselves. Oh wait, no, I'm sure those opinions have worth. Of course. They agree with BW/EA, they kiss ass, so those are worthy opinions! It's just all those naysayers who disagree and don't like our product, those opinions are worthless!

So, in other words: "if you agree with us, you're right, but if you disagree with us, you're wrong."

I guess dressing that up in 4 minutes of self-important monological waffle was an attempt to obscure that message. Oh well, at least they're not shy in showing their true colours I guess.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 01 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[Kreidian]

The Angry One wrote...

Kreidian wrote...

Even if this is "just" the guy's opinion it doesn't matter, people like this shouldn't be working in the games industry. Unfortunately I've had the misfortune of working with alot of people like this, and they always, ALWAYS end up making the product worse becuase of some stupid reason or another, most of which comes down to their ego is too damn big for their own good.

I can only hope people like you still make up a large amount of developers, because attitudes like this are a blight on the industry.
What are you making games for if not to please gamers? Yeah sure, money, but you make more money when you make your audience happy.
Accusing your own audience of being philestines for being your audience is laughable!

Let me tell you a secret about my game development philosophy.

I don't make games for the money.

The money is just there to allow me to make games, not the other way around.

If what I cared about most was just making money I would not be making games at all. With my skill set there are no limit to the sort of jobs I could take which would pay way more then what I'm making now.

But I don't. Instead I work with smaller companies with a smaller paycheck making games for people to play with. And my biggest goal when making games? Make something fun that the player will enjoy.