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[OchreJelly]

I can only imagine someone is none-too-happy right now having arbitrarily slapped the BioWare tag on to Mythic after that purchase. \\o/

His attitude is poor, but yeah, seperate division; BioWare in label only, moreso than the real BioWare. Could make it a case of general bad attitudes at EA as a company, overall, but I think that's another topic entirely.

Still, a terrible attitude for a senior director guy of anything at all.

Modifié par OchreJelly, 01 mai 2012 - 09:30 .

[LinksOcarina]

IReuven wrote...

Ok, I feel insulted. Nothing new. Bioware was bull****ing fanbase all the time. What's the difference?

"Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members." - Means I cannot write a proper "**** You" to Bioware, as I love being a simple creature that will not bull**** You for 45 minutes - but I can't do that.

At any rate, good luck next time or some time when finally BW will release a game and olny few people will notice it. I wish you that bioware, I wish that you and EA will go one day get serious reaction for you short-sighted and clearly greedy decisions.

Keep on wishing, that is never gonna happen.

One thing I should point out, yeah he is a part of BioWare Mythic, but the problem is BioWare the brand is in jepordy at this point from his comments. 

Sadly, the fact that he is from BioWare Mythic doesn't really matter, the association with BioWare as a whole is the problem in the end.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 01 mai 2012 - 09:31 .

[Myrmedus]

Kreidian wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kreidian wrote...

Even if this is "just" the guy's opinion it doesn't matter, people like this shouldn't be working in the games industry. Unfortunately I've had the misfortune of working with alot of people like this, and they always, ALWAYS end up making the product worse becuase of some stupid reason or another, most of which comes down to their ego is too damn big for their own good.

I can only hope people like you still make up a large amount of developers, because attitudes like this are a blight on the industry.
What are you making games for if not to please gamers? Yeah sure, money, but you make more money when you make your audience happy.
Accusing your own audience of being philestines for being your audience is laughable!

Let me tell you a secret about my game development philosophy.

I don't make games for the money.

The money is just there to allow me to make games, not the other way around.

If what I cared about most was just making money I would not be making games at all. With my skill set there are no limit to the sort of jobs I could take which would pay way more then what I'm making now.

But I don't. Instead I work with smaller companies with a smaller paycheck making games for people to play with. And my biggest goal when making games? Make something fun that the player will enjoy. 

Exactly, if you make great games and advertise well enough, you will make money. This is why BW are as popular as they are, why EA bought them and why they're now reaping the benefits.

What shocks me the most is not just that this individual is working in the games industry but also his position within the company hierarchy and thus the potential influence that comes with that: such a person being able to progress that high with such attitudes is astounding to me.

[LinksOcarina]

IReuven wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

IReuven wrote...

Ok, I feel insulted. Nothing new. Bioware was bull****ing fanbase all the time. What's the difference?

"Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members." - Means I cannot write a proper "**** You" to Bioware, as I love being a simple creature that will not bull**** You for 45 minutes - but I can't do that.

At any rate, good luck next time or some time when finally BW will release a game and olny few people will notice it. I wish you that bioware, I wish that you and EA will go one day get serious reaction for you short-sighted and clearly greedy decisions.

Keep on wishing, that is never gonna happen.

Time will tell. I know that I won't buy any EA release. 

Well 38 Studios will be screwed then...and Harmonix...and Respawn Entertainment...and all the other guys who have used the EA Partners Program. Yeah, they deserve to not be bought when its difficult for new I.Ps to begin with out there.

Cause you know, the fact that EA published them it means they made bad games.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 01 mai 2012 - 09:36 .

[wantedman dan]

Of course I'm insulted. This essentially tells me that EA has forgotten what makes their business--and the rest of the capitalist system--operate.

If they don't want my opinion, I don't want their product. Simple as that.

[wantedman dan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Well 38 Studios will be screwed then...and Harmonix...and Respawn Entertainment...and all the other guys who have used the EA Partners Program. Yeah, they deserve to not be bought when its difficult for new I.Ps to begin with out there.

Cause you know, the fact that EA published them it means they made bad games.

That's just as short-sighted and generalized as EA's business model.

[LinksOcarina]

wantedman dan wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Well 38 Studios will be screwed then...and Harmonix...and Respawn Entertainment...and all the other guys who have used the EA Partners Program. Yeah, they deserve to not be bought when its difficult for new I.Ps to begin with out there.

Cause you know, the fact that EA published them it means they made bad games.

That's just as short-sighted and generalized as EA's business model.

Tell that to Ireuven, he is the one who said he won't buy EA products anymore. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 01 mai 2012 - 09:38 .

[wantedman dan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Tell that to IRueven, he is the one who said he won't buy EA products anymore. 

I quoted you because I'm talking abour your argument.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 01 mai 2012 - 09:38 .

[Ahms]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I would be happy if game developers realized two things:

1. We're smarter than you think.

2. Some of us are smarter than YOU.

It's true. But it's not very ego-gratifying, so I don't expect the idea to really catch on.

YOU THINK YOUR EDUCATION MATTERS TO EA?

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No, I don't. 

If my education mattered, or rather my intellect and knowledge, we wouldn't be where we are, now would we? 

My college education. My years of studying film,psychology,ethics and philospophy mean nothing to EA I guess.

Awe. Pure awe.

What does it matter if you're a liberal arts major? All that matters is if you have the ability to fork over the $60 for the game. They're just sales numbers. It matters not a lick if the majority of the consumers are educated, full-time workers or teenage kids in their basement.

[LinksOcarina]

wantedman dan wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Tell that to IRueven, he is the one who said he won't buy EA products anymore. 

I quoted you because I'm talking abour your argument.

My bad, thought you mis-read.

It's been difficult to discern much lately...

[Jenonax]

Oh my dear sweet ...

Just when you think it couldn't get any worse it does. I cannot believe how badly this is being handled. I understand that he is from a different division or whatever but he is carrying the Bioware name.

[wantedman dan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

My bad, thought you mis-read.

It's been difficult to discern much lately...

Completely understandable.

[jokey javik]

I wright machinmas for halo personally I can go with a simple ending with some ambiguity look at the halo 3 legendary ending that ties the series up in a nice little bow but the me3 ending was very confusing and some plot holes were so obvious that I noticed them the first time around,

and that the supposed paragon renegade choice is very similar to the one in legions loyalty mission impose your will on something or destroy it but if you do rewrite the heretics and do everything else right you get the quarians and geth playing nice and more war assests.

the choices in mass effect 3 made me highly confused to the point where I just shot the tank to get the two achievements then turned my xbox off so I wouldn't see the geth genocide and edi dying and even the quarians mind you I play full paragon thats how confusing it is

but I checked on youtube later for all 3 variantions to only find slight differences accept maybe for synthesis so that is why I believe the indoctrination theory lets face it the evidence found for it was a loaded gun.

I felt deppresed after finishing the game a whats the point feeling I only play multiplayer for me3 now for these reasons

the citadel crucible incident                                          I still have to do overlord and arrival for me2

Thought I could still keep everyone in my squad alive and that counts thane legion and mordin too

lack of squad mates you think you would get some from me2 if they survived but war assests explain that

rember the first two you could continue on and do missed side missions that went out the window

unresolved I wanted to see toombs he did sound like you would see him again if you did convince him to put the gun down and I left him with a gun to the scientist till I had enough charm points so no resolution there

no win scenarios are just deppressing

felt to short not enough real  side missons that were non cameos and don't count the n7 missons because those were just combat

no vehicle missons at all not even the hover tank

lack of hub worlds and thats including the normandy as well as the small citadel that shrinks each game
rember me2 had the larget citadel, normandy, ilium, omega, shadow broker base, tuchunka,

my next question is how was so little content fit onto two disks again not exactly my department but there probably was the trimmable fat like the no talky shooty first mode for one


I am done here just rember this davinchi had to put up with lisa and vice versa other wise some renaissance art would be easily forgotten.

[N7L4D]

Don't pay attention John, angry one has a pole up where the sun don't shine

John Epler wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

[Icinix]

Was he drunk? I think he must have been trying the hand sanitiser before hand because quite frankly that is shocking.

Go on EA pass out a few more shovels, you haven't dug yourself deep enough.

[Harmless Crunch]

N7L4D wrote...

Don't pay attention John, angry one has a pole up where the sun don't shine

John Epler wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

Wow that's a pretty petty insu- *Looks at sig* Oh that explains it.

[Gmandam]

Icinix wrote...

Was he drunk? I think he must have been trying the hand sanitiser before hand because quite frankly that is shocking.

Go on EA pass out a few more shovels, you haven't dug yourself deep enough.

Just though of EA new policy. Keep digging own grave because eventually we'll end up in china and be on top.

[kyban]

Kreidian wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kreidian wrote...

Even if this is "just" the guy's opinion it doesn't matter, people like this shouldn't be working in the games industry. Unfortunately I've had the misfortune of working with alot of people like this, and they always, ALWAYS end up making the product worse becuase of some stupid reason or another, most of which comes down to their ego is too damn big for their own good.

I can only hope people like you still make up a large amount of developers, because attitudes like this are a blight on the industry.
What are you making games for if not to please gamers? Yeah sure, money, but you make more money when you make your audience happy.
Accusing your own audience of being philestines for being your audience is laughable!

Let me tell you a secret about my game development philosophy.

I don't make games for the money.

The money is just there to allow me to make games, not the other way around.

If what I cared about most was just making money I would not be making games at all. With my skill set there are no limit to the sort of jobs I could take which would pay way more then what I'm making now.

But I don't. Instead I work with smaller companies with a smaller paycheck making games for people to play with. And my biggest goal when making games? Make something fun that the player will enjoy. 

So much truth.

I work in the games industry too, and there are too many people that think the way this guy at EA does. When we were about to launch a game our director said "If they don't like it, I don't care. They can go play something else."
Now we have a new game director, and there are many people who want to contiually make the game better and add new content.

I'm certainly at the bottom of the foodchain, but I agree with Kreidian's pholosophy about making fun games for people that they will enjoy. Which is why I'm a huge fan of devs/designers getting funding from kickstarter, those people make games for fun and for people. Look at Miyamoto, he LOVES games and making them, and look at the success he  has.

[sistersafetypin]

bleetman wrote...

Guys, guys.

If you don't want me to buy your games anymore, just say so. It'll save us both a lot of time.

They have said so. They just like to be coy about it

[xsdob]

So everybody here's just gonna ignore the fact that this guy is the creative head of mythic and not ea and bioware than?

Alright than, so how about that warhammer online? crazy game right?

[malhar34]

I like this john epler guy doesn't give out rude snarky one liners like another mod on here.

@John Epler: I haven't played DA:O or DA2 and am considering buying them. I really liked ME1 and 2 and 3 was mehhh. Would DA interest me?

[Archer610]

Sure, Barnett is entitled to his opinion, but you have to wonder how many people at EA and Bioware share that opinion. The fact that Barnett would feel comfortable insulting customers like that makes me think that attitude is ingrained pretty deep in the company.

Barnett's attitude seems to go pretty well with the 'Artistic Integrity' defense, doesn't it? Works pretty good with how we all just need 'Clarification' since we're too stupid to understand the ending, too.

Thanks Bioware, your representatives and actions are making it pretty clear about what you think about the people who buy your games.

[Element Zero]

I'm not insulted. I pity this guy. I knew he was an obnoxious bag of hot air long before he got to the Mass Effect 3 ending.

At some point in each of our lives, each of us meets a jack**** like this. Somehow, this particular jack**** got a job making games. Someone thought he was worth hiring. It in no way reflects upon the makers of Mass Effect that this as$hat is employed by EA.

I'm not thrilled with Bioware, at present. ME3 was a colossal letdown, and their stoney silence since is BS. This guy, though? He's laughable, and completely unrelated.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 01 mai 2012 - 10:57 .

[The Angry One]

N7L4D wrote...

Don't pay attention John, angry one has a pole up where the sun don't shine

John Epler wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Why doesn't it surprise me that you have no issue with this, and take an opportunity to snipe at us all, Atreiya?

Why don't you run along and go back to praising an ending that embraces intolerance like you usually do.
Also, I'll thank you not to play armchair moderator. One is already here, and if they don't have an issue with this topic being here, I don't see why you feel you have to complain about it.

I think John would prefer to not have the topic on the forums presonally. But it's not like we would be all to forgiving at this point if it got locked down.

If I feel a thread needs locking, it will get locked. I am not leaving threads open because I'm worried about the backlash - moderating is rarely a popular task, something I'm already well aware of.

It seems that not only did you pay so little attention to what you were reading that you wrote your reply in the wrong place, you also failed to see who was writing what in your eagerness to attack me personally.

Ah yes, that sig. Moving along.