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[Hadeedak]

Mine was "You'll never be alone."

Hah, then she went down in flames to save EDI, the geth, and the world.

My other was "Goodbye, Thane, meet you across the sea." Then she sacrificed EDI and the geth to save the world and wound up living.

I am not a kind Shepard controller, I guess. >>

[Taboo]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

I agree with every word of the OP

The last words my Shepard said to his LI was "Then let's get it done, and go home" I so wanted to see that happen.

THIS HURTS ME BIOWARE.

www.youtube.com/watch

You're going to cause me to stroke out.

How awful. 

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

You're going to cause me to stroke out.

How awful. 

Thus why I find the endings far more emotionally manipulative than bittersweet

[Taboo]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

You're going to cause me to stroke out.

How awful. 

Thus why I find the endings far more emotionally manipulative than bittersweet

You win.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

I agree with every word of the OP

The last words my Shepard said to his LI was "Then let's get it done, and go home" I so wanted to see that happen.

THIS HURTS ME BIOWARE.

YOU WILL KNOW PAIN, CONSUMER

[Ecrulis]

d1ta wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11812550#11812550 This is a bittersweet ending.

That is beautiful and now I have more stuff for head cannon, only in mine shep wakes up while Liara is holding her. Call me sappy but i don't think shep has to die for the ending to be good 

EDIT: I can picture it now camera slowly backs up from a closeup of LI face the song in the background is the same as the one from the love scene before cerberus base, LI sheds a tear for shep, the more quiet part of the song continues as the camera focuses on shep. Louder part of the song kicks in as shep wakes up and embraces his/her LI.

I dunno not a director or writer just something quick that poped into my head 

:crying: you don't know just how much I wanted this to happen.. I do hope that they will add at least one ending in the EC where Shep can be reunited with his/her LI and crew. My Shep wants her Kaidan back :crying:

You know the more i read what I wrote the more I want to write out my whole head cannon ending (starting with the crucible firing). Though I think id switch it up and have Liara find shep concious and that scene ends with Shep going limp after the kiss when the loud part of the song kicks it; then the following scene would show whether shep survived or not.

Modifié par Ecrulis, 02 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[Taboo]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

I agree with every word of the OP

The last words my Shepard said to his LI was "Then let's get it done, and go home" I so wanted to see that happen.

THIS HURTS ME BIOWARE.

YOU WILL KNOW PAIN, CONSUMER

I AM NOW CONSUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF MY WALLET.

[Ecrulis]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11812550#11812550 This is a bittersweet ending.

That is beautiful and now I have more stuff for head cannon, only in mine shep wakes up while Liara is holding her. Call me sappy but i don't think shep has to die for the ending to be good 

EDIT: I can picture it now camera slowly backs up from a closeup of LI face the song in the background is the same as the one from the love scene before cerberus base, LI sheds a tear for shep, the more quiet part of the song continues as the camera focuses on shep. Louder part of the song kicks in as shep wakes up and embraces his/her LI.

I dunno not a director or writer just something quick that poped into my head 

That picture is just glorified dispair if you ask me.
There is nothing "sweet" about somone loosing what they love or someone loosing everything they are just to convey a dramatic effect. 

TELL THAT TO BIOWARE.

I completely agree which is why in my head cannon shep always survives, I dont thisnk that after the billions of deaths and countless decimated worlds that shep needs to die for it to be bittersweet.

[Ecrulis]

EDIT: Im not really sure how I ended up quoting my above post 

Modifié par Ecrulis, 02 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[Svests]

The hero sacrificing himself/herself can be a very effective part of a bittersweet ending.  The main thing is it has to be meaningful sacrifice.  The hero gives the ultimate sacrifice so that others do not have to.  The problem is in ME3 they piled additional negative consequences and "sacrifices" on top of Shepard's sacrifice of his/her life.  This cheapens and removes meaning from Shepard's death.  The fact that Shepard either ends up committing genocide (destroy), effectively becomming TIM (control), or basically raping the entire galaxy (synthesis) in addition to dieing makes his/her death feel much less heroic.  When the hero dies that should be only major negative consequence.  It is enough, anything more makes it go from a bittersweet ending to just bitter.

Of course no matter what there still needs to be resolution for the characters left alive as well.  Which is why when the hero dies there is almost always some sort of funeral scene or something similar.  It gives the other characters (and the players/readers/viewers) a chance to say goodbye.  Something that was very much lacking in ME3.

[Ecrulis]

Svests wrote...

The hero sacrificing himself/herself can be a very effective part of a bittersweet ending.  The main thing is it has to be meaningful sacrifice.  The hero gives the ultimate sacrifice so that others do not have to.  The problem is in ME3 they piled additional negative consequences and "sacrifices" on top of Shepard's sacrifice of his/her life.  This cheapens and removes meaning from Shepard's death.  The fact that Shepard either ends up committing genocide (destroy), effectively becomming TIM (control), or basically raping the entire galaxy (synthesis) in addition to dieing makes his/her death feel much less heroic.  When the hero dies that should be only major negative consequence.  It is enough, anything more makes it go from a bittersweet ending to just bitter.

Of course no matter what there still needs to be resolution for the characters left alive as well.  Which is why when the hero dies there is almost always some sort of funeral scene or something similar.  It gives the other characters (and the players/readers/viewers) a chance to say goodbye.  Something that was very much lacking in ME3.

I agree, though I would still want at least one ending where shep survives . What still baffles my mind is that bioware somehow thought an ending completely devoid of any and all closure would be acceptable.

[Taboo]

Shepard having to die twice is so silly though.

You don't kill a character twice in a narrative.

MIND BOGGLING.

[Svests]

Ecrulis wrote...
I agree, though I would still want at least one ending where shep survives . What still baffles my mind is that bioware somehow thought an ending completely devoid of any and all closure would be acceptable.

IMO the endings would have been much more effective if Shepard survived with all of the current options but there was a 4th ending where Shepard died but nothing else bad happened.  Dragon Age Origins was an example of how to do the ultimate sacrifice ending right.  ME3 just got it all wrong.

Still would have needed more closure of course.  Though I'm note really focusing on this aspect because I'm hoping the EC will fix this problem.  I doubt it will do anything to make Shepard's sacrifice feel more meaningful though, unless they are changing things more than they are hinting at.

[nitefyre410]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Shepard having to die twice is so silly though.

You don't kill a character twice in good a narrative.

MIND BOGGLING.

 


fixed that for ya... 

I have seen it done outside  Mass Effect 3 the narrative of this show was bad... but there is enough awesome in the series that the narrative really does not matter.   The show was never about the narrative from the start. 

[Ecrulis]

Svests wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...
I agree, though I would still want at least one ending where shep survives . What still baffles my mind is that bioware somehow thought an ending completely devoid of any and all closure would be acceptable.

IMO the endings would have been much more effective if Shepard survived with all of the current options but there was a 4th ending where Shepard died but nothing else bad happened.  Dragon Age Origins was an example of how to do the ultimate sacrifice ending right.  ME3 just got it all wrong.

Still would have needed more closure of course.  Though I'm note really focusing on this aspect because I'm hoping the EC will fix this problem.  I doubt it will do anything to make Shepard's sacrifice feel more meaningful though, unless they are changing things more than they are hinting at.

That actually would be great, and I totally agree on DA:O, each ending was meaningful and felt like victory regardless of what happened.

[Ecrulis]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Shepard having to die twice is so silly though.

You don't kill a character twice in a narrative.

MIND BOGGLING.

also this, god this, jeez hasnt shepard been through enough?

[Subject M]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11812550#11812550 This is a bittersweet ending.

That is beautiful and now I have more stuff for head cannon, only in mine shep wakes up while Liara is holding her. Call me sappy but i don't think shep has to die for the ending to be good 

EDIT: I can picture it now camera slowly backs up from a closeup of LI face the song in the background is the same as the one from the love scene before cerberus base, LI sheds a tear for shep, the more quiet part of the song continues as the camera focuses on shep. Louder part of the song kicks in as shep wakes up and embraces his/her LI.

I dunno not a director or writer just something quick that poped into my head 

That picture is just glorified dispair if you ask me.
There is nothing "sweet" about somone loosing what they love or someone loosing everything they are just to convey a dramatic effect. 

After witnessing what comes before it I'm not feeling any despair. 

Probably because you are not immersing in the situation of those characters involved in the situation, but viewing it from an outside perspective of someone never touched by war or such loss save for it being mediated to you on the silver screen accompanied by violins. .

[Subject M]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11812550#11812550 This is a bittersweet ending.

That is beautiful and now I have more stuff for head cannon, only in mine shep wakes up while Liara is holding her. Call me sappy but i don't think shep has to die for the ending to be good 

EDIT: I can picture it now camera slowly backs up from a closeup of LI face the song in the background is the same as the one from the love scene before cerberus base, LI sheds a tear for shep, the more quiet part of the song continues as the camera focuses on shep. Louder part of the song kicks in as shep wakes up and embraces his/her LI.

I dunno not a director or writer just something quick that poped into my head 

That picture is just glorified dispair if you ask me.
There is nothing "sweet" about somone loosing what they love or someone loosing everything they are just to convey a dramatic effect. 

TELL THAT TO BIOWARE.

What do you think I have been doing on this forum since I finished ME3?!!

[Subject M]

Ecrulis wrote...

Svests wrote...

The hero sacrificing himself/herself can be a very effective part of a bittersweet ending.  The main thing is it has to be meaningful sacrifice.  The hero gives the ultimate sacrifice so that others do not have to.  The problem is in ME3 they piled additional negative consequences and "sacrifices" on top of Shepard's sacrifice of his/her life.  This cheapens and removes meaning from Shepard's death.  The fact that Shepard either ends up committing genocide (destroy), effectively becomming TIM (control), or basically raping the entire galaxy (synthesis) in addition to dieing makes his/her death feel much less heroic.  When the hero dies that should be only major negative consequence.  It is enough, anything more makes it go from a bittersweet ending to just bitter.

Of course no matter what there still needs to be resolution for the characters left alive as well.  Which is why when the hero dies there is almost always some sort of funeral scene or something similar.  It gives the other characters (and the players/readers/viewers) a chance to say goodbye.  Something that was very much lacking in ME3.

I agree, though I would still want at least one ending where shep survives . What still baffles my mind is that bioware somehow thought an ending completely devoid of any and all closure would be acceptable.

Yes, survival should be a possibility, but there should always be a cost to everything. It seems very reasonable that your survival and quiet future of rebuilding with your LI and friends would require more preparations, meaning more people on Earth would die, more ships being blown up, and perhaps even Hackett perishes in the final battle over Earth.

Modifié par Subject M, 03 mai 2012 - 01:15 .

[EnvyTB075]

I have to admit, some LI's were treated better than others (Garrus being the highlight honestly), but y'know i was only just starting to warm up to Miranda in ME3....and then nothing. So even for those who didn't romance her its incomplete even still.

Hell to me the mere fact that they even put that survival scene in the game tells me that they weren't confident in the ending to begin with, so why finish on that note if you're going to give us the hint that a reunion may be possible?

Its the same thing over and over again wherever you look in the entireity of ME3. What were they thinking? Its a game of missed opportunitites.

Subject M wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11812550#11812550 This is a bittersweet ending.

../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

That
is beautiful and now I have more stuff for head cannon, only in mine
shep wakes up while Liara is holding her. Call me sappy but i don't
think shep has to die for the ending to be good [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

EDIT:
I can picture it now camera slowly backs up from a closeup of LI face
the song in the background is the same as the one from the love scene
before cerberus base, LI sheds a tear for shep, the more quiet part of
the song continues as the camera focuses on shep. Louder part of the
song kicks in as shep wakes up and embraces his/her LI.

I dunno not a director or writer just something quick that poped into my head [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

That picture is just glorified dispair if you ask me. There is nothing "sweet" about somone loosing what they love or someone loosing everything they are just to convey a dramatic effect. 

Thats assuming shes dead (which shes not, for me at least, when i look at that).

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 03 mai 2012 - 01:42 .

[Subject M]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I have to admit, some LI's were treated better than others (Garrus being the highlight honestly), but y'know i was only just starting to warm up to Miranda in ME3....and then nothing. So even for those who didn't romance her its incomplete even still.

Hell to me the mere fact that they even put that survival scene in the game tells me that they weren't confident in the ending to begin with, so why finish on that note if you're going to give us the hint that a reunion may be possible?

Its the same thing over and over again wherever you look in the entireity of ME3. What were they thinking? Its a game of missed opportunitites.

Subject M wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11812550#11812550 This is a bittersweet ending.

../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

That
is beautiful and now I have more stuff for head cannon, only in mine
shep wakes up while Liara is holding her. Call me sappy but i don't
think shep has to die for the ending to be good [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

EDIT:
I can picture it now camera slowly backs up from a closeup of LI face
the song in the background is the same as the one from the love scene
before cerberus base, LI sheds a tear for shep, the more quiet part of
the song continues as the camera focuses on shep. Louder part of the
song kicks in as shep wakes up and embraces his/her LI.

I dunno not a director or writer just something quick that poped into my head [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

That picture is just glorified dispair if you ask me. There is nothing "sweet" about somone loosing what they love or someone loosing everything they are just to convey a dramatic effect. 

Thats assuming shes dead.

Ah, Touché.

[The Night Mammoth]

Subject M wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

After witnessing what comes before it I'm not feeling any despair. 

Probably because you are not immersing in the situation of those characters involved in the situation, but viewing it from an outside perspective of someone never touched by war or such loss save for it being mediated to you on the silver screen accompanied by violins. .

What is this, I don't even.............

You assume much, and I actually find it quite insulting. 

What exactly does the picture portray?

[Shaigunjoe]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Shepard having to die twice is so silly though.

You don't kill a character twice in a narrative.

MIND BOGGLING.

Tell that to Joss Whedon!

Though I do agree, I have never been a fan of killing someone to bring them back later.

Have you seen this?



Its kinda long but funny, to sum it up at the end.  The death and return of superman didn't kill superman, it killed death.

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 03 mai 2012 - 01:53 .

[Subject M]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Subject M wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

After witnessing what comes before it I'm not feeling any despair. 

Probably because you are not immersing in the situation of those characters involved in the situation, but viewing it from an outside perspective of someone never touched by war or such loss save for it being mediated to you on the silver screen accompanied by violins. .

What is this, I don't even.............

You assume much, and I actually find it quite insulting. 

What exactly does the picture portray?

I apologize. You are quite right. My bad.
EnvyTB075 already pointed out my me jumping to to conclusions.

I was reacting to the view that death and loss is "beautiful". Its a meme that, in my experience, comes from people trying to convince themselves (or are teached to be do it) of a lie because the truth is too much to handle.

Modifié par Subject M, 03 mai 2012 - 02:03 .