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[The Night Mammoth]

Subject M wrote...

I apologize. You are quite right. My bad.
EnvyTB075 already pointed out my me jumping to to conclusions.

I was reacting to the view that death and loss is "beautiful". Its a meme that, in my experience, comes from people trying to convince themselves (or are teached to be do it) of a lie because the truth is too much to handle.

I saw it as Garrus and the Alliance scouring the wreckage and finding Shepard alive, hence why I personally felt a sense of hope.

But yeah, I wouldn't see anything beautiful about it if that was Shepard's empty corpse, but I wouldn't feel despair. Just sadness really. It would still be a nice picture to look at. 

[nitefyre410]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I apologize. You are quite right. My bad.
EnvyTB075 already pointed out my me jumping to to conclusions.

I was reacting to the view that death and loss is "beautiful". Its a meme that, in my experience, comes from people trying to convince themselves (or are teached to be do it) of a lie because the truth is too much to handle.

I saw it as Garrus and the Alliance scouring the wreckage and finding Shepard alive, hence why I personally felt a sense of hope.

But yeah, I wouldn't see anything beautiful about it if that was Shepard's empty corpse, but I wouldn't feel despair. Just sadness really. It would still be a nice picture to look at. 

 

I honestly think alot of people are confusing things... we have writers and fans thinking when says beautiful death scene means that death is something beautiful.  No what it means that the scene  is so well put together that gets the tragedy of the moment  across to the viewer beautifully.   This has  no manifested with this obcession of the only way something can be emotionaly moviing is  there is death... no that just stupid, insulting and agrivatiing.  

 That picture is beautiful and hopeful because you look at its two contrast..  we have Garrus pulling a bloodied  Shepard out of the rubble with a clear blue sky over head while the rubble itself is very dark.    Showing that the war is over.. the cost was high but  they won their future.   

[Noelemahc]

But yeah, I wouldn't see anything beautiful about it if that was Shepard's empty corpse, but I wouldn't feel despair. Just sadness really. It would still be a nice picture to look at.

Again, depending on how you treat this in the story, even Shepard's mangled body can make for a poignant scene. Life in the galaxy still goes on regardless, it's just a matter of how well off that life is because of Sheppy Shep's actions. Sort of like the Farscape Peacekeeper Wars ending until the resolution kicks in -- it could've just ended with Aeryn contemplating the consequences of John's death, and still have worked. But those writers have oodles of common decency, so it goes uphill from there.

You could quote Aeryn's speech word-for-word as it would fit most any LI (not sure I remember it accurately):

"You did it, John. All fighting's stopped. There's no more dying. And suddenly, three is not such a scary number. But however wonderful all of this is... I cannot, and I will not accept it, if it means losing you."

[Taboo]

Glad to see people still want those resolutions.

New topic on hubris later..........with Bob Dylan lyrics.

ONLY because it went over so well.

[Subject M]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I apologize. You are quite right. My bad.
EnvyTB075 already pointed out my me jumping to to conclusions.

I was reacting to the view that death and loss is "beautiful". Its a meme that, in my experience, comes from people trying to convince themselves (or are teached to be do it) of a lie because the truth is too much to handle.

I saw it as Garrus and the Alliance scouring the wreckage and finding Shepard alive, hence why I personally felt a sense of hope.

But yeah, I wouldn't see anything beautiful about it if that was Shepard's empty corpse, but I wouldn't feel despair. Just sadness really. It would still be a nice picture to look at. 

 

I honestly think alot of people are confusing things... we have writers and fans thinking when says beautiful death scene means that death is something beautiful.  No what it means that the scene  is so well put together that gets the tragedy of the moment  across to the viewer beautifully.   This has  no manifested with this obcession of the only way something can be emotionaly moviing is  there is death... no that just stupid, insulting and agrivatiing.  

 That picture is beautiful and hopeful because you look at its two contrast..  we have Garrus pulling a bloodied  Shepard out of the rubble with a clear blue sky over head while the rubble itself is very dark.    Showing that the war is over.. the cost was high but  they won their future.   

I just dont approve of unavoidable death and its melodramatic glorification in a story that gives your charcter reason to live.