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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

They did not show Saren choosing synthesis because it would most likely confuse newcomers.

Or they forgot Saren's character.

[The Angry One]

"I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life."

[MAXinsanity409]

Lizardviking wrote...

They did not show Saren choosing synthesis because it would most likely confuse newcomers.

Or they forgot Saren's character.

[ediskrad327]

yep, so better let yourself get killed on Eden Prime so that "the final evolution of life" happens faster

[Merchant2006]

The Angry One wrote...

"I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life."

I really did think of this quote. Saren boasted how he was the pinnacle of organic evolution and the top of the top. I expected to see a small 'vision' like the ones with TIM / Anderson for Control & Destroy respectively when the Catalyst talks about "Synthesis" but... nothing.

They should have included an image of Saren walking into the middle. And if newcomers don't understand or know who he is then it's a reason to play ME1 & 2. Deal with it.

But BioWare gave us another nope.

[The Edge]

I think the connection between the two is there. Whether or not it was intentional is an entirely different story because, you know, the ending shows in more ways than one a complete disconnect from the rest of the series.

[PsyrenY]

Saren cured the genophage too, obviously doing so makes you evil.

Man, snap judgments are so much easier when we can strip context out of everything.

[The Angry One]

Considering how many things Mac Walters forgot about ME1, I'm sure he forgot about Saren too.

[Sepharih]

PDesign wrote...

Saved.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Saren cured the genophage too, obviously doing so makes you evil.

Man, snap judgments are so much easier when we can strip context out of everything.

For Saren, the genophage cure was a means to an end.

Synthesis was that end.

Man, it's so easy to make arguments when you forget what you were talking about.

[MisterJB]

Fallacy by association.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the ideal of a joining between flesh and steel. Shepard himself is a good example of what can be achieved through it.
Saren had to be stopped, however, because he was Indocrinated. The races of the galaxy wouldn't achieve Synthesis, they would just be turned into Reapers.

[ediskrad327]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Saren cured the genophage too, obviously doing so makes you evil.

Man, snap judgments are so much easier when we can strip context out of everything.

cloning isn't curing exactly

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Fallacy by association.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the ideal of a joining between flesh and steel. Shepard himself is a good example of what can be achieved through it.
Saren had to be stopped, however, because he was Indocrinated. The races of the galaxy wouldn't achieve Synthesis, they would just be turned into Reapers.

There is something VERY wrong with imposing the ideal of a joining between flesh and machine on every living thing without their knowledge or consent.
THAT is what Saren wanted, and THAT is what synthesis does. No wait actually what Shepard does is worse, because at least Saren TELLS you.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[The Edge]

PDesign wrote...

lol, nice! 

It's strange how Shepard is forced to make decisions that other people would choose when he/she has been making important decisions all throughout the entire series.

[ElitePinecone]

Lizardviking wrote...
Or they forgot Saren's character.

It would confuse everyone who hadn't played ME.

But... choosing exactly what we'd been working to avoid in the first game does seem a little like narrative ridiculousness. 

(Heck, Saren almost gives us more information about synthesis than the Catalyst)

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
There is something VERY wrong with imposing the ideal of a joining between flesh and machine on every living thing without their knowledge or consent.
THAT is what Saren wanted, and THAT is what synthesis does.

It's for their own good.
Shepard can't afford to make a census and see who wants Synthesis and who doesn't because the Reapers threaten to destroy the Crucible.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Merchant2006 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

"I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life."

I really did think of this quote. Saren boasted how he was the pinnacle of organic evolution and the top of the top. I expected to see a small 'vision' like the ones with TIM / Anderson for Control & Destroy respectively when the Catalyst talks about "Synthesis" but... nothing.

They should have included an image of Saren walking into the middle. And if newcomers don't understand or know who he is then it's a reason to play ME1 & 2. Deal with it.

But BioWare gave us another nope.

The lack of a "vision" of Saren choosing Synthesis and a lack of a line ala control (I guess Saren/the honey monster/TIM was right after all) is something I actually find rather annoying about synthesis.

If you are going out of your way to represent different choices by showing an important character take it then how about going all the way and do it for all instead of just half-assing. I dislike how they try to sugar-coat Synthesis.

[Mr.House]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Saren cured the genophage too, obviously doing so makes you evil.

Man, snap judgments are so much easier when we can strip context out of everything.

If you agree with it then you might as well just die on Edan Prime. No point fighting Saren if you agree with the same goal. Same with Control. Just let a Cerberus grunt kill you. No fight fighting TIM or Saren, unless you are a  hypocrite.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
There is something VERY wrong with imposing the ideal of a joining between flesh and machine on every living thing without their knowledge or consent.
THAT is what Saren wanted, and THAT is what synthesis does.

It's for their own good.

Saren logic, right there.

Shepard can't afford to make a census and see who wants Synthesis and who doesn't because the Reapers threaten to destroy the Crucible.

Then even if we're confined to these 3 asinine options, how about not taking the one where the Reapers win?
Don't come back with "oh you can choose not to." Fine, whatever. But if you do choose synthesis, you are following Saren's ideal. That simple.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 mai 2012 - 04:30 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Or they forgot Saren's character.

It would confuse everyone who hadn't played ME.

But... choosing exactly what we'd been working to avoid in the first game does seem a little like narrative ridiculousness. 

(Heck, Saren almost gives us more information about synthesis than the Catalyst)

Did you even read my first line in what you just quoted?

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

For Saren, the genophage cure was a means to an end.

Synthesis was that end.

Man, it's so easy to make arguments when you forget what you were talking about.

For (Renegade) Shepard, the genophage cure was a means to an end.

Defeating the Reapers was that end.

Man, it's so easy to herpa derp derp.

[MisterJB]

Mr.House wrote...
If you agree with it then you might as well just die on Edan Prime. No point fighting Saren if you agree with the same goal. Same with Control. Just let a Cerberus grunt kill you. No fight fighting TIM or Saren, unless you are a  hypocrite.

Saren and Jack Harper were both being controlled by the Reapers. They could not achieve anything.
Thus, it falls to Shepard.