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[H2Ape]

No.

[Shajar]

Yes it is, there is two possibilities why Saren was not shown on that vision

1. They were lazy to port Saren's model to ME3 (my guess)
2. They did not want to get old major character to confuse newbies

[Dendio1]

I find it easier to believe Synthesis is saren than destroy is anderson

[Kushan101]

Shajar wrote...

Yes it is, there is two possibilities why Saren was not shown on that vision

1. They were lazy to port Saren's model to ME3 (my guess)
2. They did not want to get old major character to confuse newbies

1) is plausible, what with Tali's face and the "alien winter" wallpaper at the stargazer scene, this would not surprise me.
2) is a not really defensible from their perspective, any newbies need only look on the BSN or type it into google and they would find out who that "cool looking Turian" was. I thought they wanted "speculation".

I fear there may be a third option 3) They didn't think of it.

Modifié par Kushan101, 01 mai 2012 - 10:27 .

[lx_theo]

H2Ape wrote...

No.

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[chidingewe8036]

For the hundredth time YES I created a post awhile back stating this and everyone's responses were kind of meh...... people did not believe me but it is true darnit. Saren wanted to achieve Synthesis between The Reapers and Organics, TIM wanted to find a means of Controlling The Reapers and use them for humanities gain, Shepard just wanted to defeat The Reapers once and for all a la The Destroy ending.

[NoSpin]

Dendio1 wrote...

I find it easier to believe Synthesis is saren than destroy is anderson

Agree with that 100%.

[KingKhan03]

Isn't it kind of obvious that was what BioWare was going for? that TIM and Saren had there own way that they thought would result in peace? TIM Thought Controlling the Reapers could make humanity stronger, Saren thought synthesis would make humanity stronger in the long run, Problem?

[GLR-0053]

H2Ape wrote...

Yeah sure why not.

[TJX2045]

john_sheparrd wrote...

I think it is but they had't show him like the illusive man or anderson 
please need answer:(
greets from germany

Short answer, yes.  Basically.  "The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

[Zhuinden]

MisterJB wrote...

Any organic attempts to transhumanism will always be halted by resources and finances.
That Synthesis can simply bypass this and offer it to everyone has always been one of the traits that attracted me the most to this ending.

Okay, there are multiple things wrong with that.

First point being, if all we wanted was an organic attempt to transhumanism, you would have just allowed the Reapers to do the harvesting. This is exactly what they were doing! "We are your salvation through destruction", they were trying to raise humanity to a higher level of existence, a synthesis of organic and mechanic!
So technically, you are forcing everyone in the galaxy to be a hybrid of man and machine without their consent on the matter, without actually knowing its exact side-effects, or how it would even fix the problem, or what you're even doing. You're just making EVERYONE into Reapers. Isn't that the worst possible thing you can do?

Second point, think about it for a second. You're extending transhumanism to every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy, which you believe is the right option. But what about their choice? Imagine - what if YOU were the one not given a choice whether you become partially a machine or still remain a living, blood and flesh being? What if it would mean, for example, that all reproduction will cease to exist? That all life will be preserved in the state it is now, and nothing will ever change? 
Is this really something you can just say, "it's for the better good of people, no matter what the means is, the end is justified, because war between organics and synthetics ceases to exist"?
No one actually guarantees that. Organics will still be organics. They will still believe the exact same non-empathetic ways they had learned throughout their culture, and their greed, hostility and closed-mindedness will still bring war to the universe. As one of my favorite quotes say, "Truly, if there is evil in this world, it lies within the heart of mankind."

Synthesis cannot fix this. By being partially organics, they would still be prone to hatred and violence without a justified reason. They would still destroy each other.

And truly - just think about the horror of being changed into something completely different, without your consent, assuming it's something you don't want to happen. Is that for the better good?

It's just a cause for suffering.

[Zhuinden]

Let's just get 5000+ EMS and do Destroy. It's the best ending, and probably preserves the Geth and EDI.

[N7Gold]

Lizardviking wrote...

They did not show Saren choosing synthesis because it would most likely confuse newcomers.

Or they forgot Saren's character.

I believe the latter is true.

[tvman099]

Saren didn't have a vision. He was indoctrinated. All that crap about being a union of flesh and steel with the strengths of both and weaknesses of neither was just that: crap. It was a lie that came from Sovereign.

[TheLostGenius]

Short answer NO.

Long answer NO.

Saren's solution was his indoctrination talking...he wanted humanity to become the next Collector's.

[Taboo]

Zhuinden wrote...

Let's just get 5000+ EMS and do Destroy. It's the best ending, and probably preserves the Geth and EDI.

[x-Killision-X]

Synthesis was Sarens vision, yes. . . .  and we killed him for it!

[d-boy15]

again?

no, it not take away free will, only take it when you synthesize them against their will.
yes, it the saren vision but not the same, it's more like upgrade version by starchild.
no, it's not homoginize everyone.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

MisterJB wrote...

Mr. C wrote...
Who are you to tell billions of sentient beings what is "for their own good"?

Look at what Reaper technology can do. Look at Grayson and Saren and all of Cerberus troops. How they have become so much more powerful and resilient than anything else in the galaxy.
Imagine if this could be achieved without the loss of "free will" for every organic being. How is that not for their good?

Can't you listen to yourself.

You're INDOCTRINATED!!!

[Taboo]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Mr. C wrote...
Who are you to tell billions of sentient beings what is "for their own good"?

Look at what Reaper technology can do. Look at Grayson and Saren and all of Cerberus troops. How they have become so much more powerful and resilient than anything else in the galaxy.
Imagine if this could be achieved without the loss of "free will" for every organic being. How is that not for their good?

Can't you listen to yourself.

You're INDOCTRINATED!!!

Yeah, he hasn't realized how ****ing dumb it sounds yet.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 mai 2012 - 12:36 .

[Cyberfrog81]

"Look what they can do!"

Superstitious awe. Players being indoctrinated. It's kind of awesome.

Unless it's just a very screwed up, poorly executed ending.

[WhiteKnyght]

Synthesis is Padok Wik's vision.

Wiks went against the standard of evolution being random and believed there was a peak/purpose behind it. Synthesis being the final evolution of life proves his theories were right.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

No. Saren's vision was symbiosis. Saren believed both needed each other. He saw that, on one hand, the Reapers are super-powerful. On the other, they needed organics like him (and I guess the keepers) to help them at times to, even they aren't infalliable.

But, synthesis offers a path independent of the Reapers.

[d-boy15]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Synthesis is Padok Wik's vision.

Wiks went against the standard of evolution being random and believed there was a peak/purpose behind it. Synthesis being the final evolution of life proves his theories were right.

wik's believe in natural progress. he states that no one should interfere with evolution.