Sauruz wrote...
I'm just saying that any Shepard who picks Synthesis is the same kind of 'delusional villain'-character as many others before him. (Or he just didn't think it through)
The Angry One wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
I'm just saying that any Shepard who picks Synthesis is the same kind of 'delusional villain'-character as many others before him. (Or he just didn't think it through)
Sometimes it seems like the players in control of Shepard picking synthesis are the villain characters too.
Like the one who said "It's for their own good!". What.
Do tell, where are the Husks here? I see a human and a synthetic who seems to be acting more alive than before.The Angry One wrote...
Don't worry little Timmy, your mom and dad were turned into husks, but it's okay. Now you can be a husk too!
MisterJB wrote...
However, this is only true if you consider the Reapers to be the problem rather than a symptom of it. The real problem being, as understood by the Catalyst, synthetic life and the inevitable extinction of organics at its hands. In this case, Destroy is the least effective choice since it only solves the problem temporarily by destroying all current synthetics whereas the other choices offer, at least, the possibility of a permanent solution that might or might not work.
Well, I'm just happy to know none of these will ever really be in a position of power similar to Shepard's.The Angry One wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
I'm just saying that any Shepard who picks Synthesis is the same kind of 'delusional villain'-character as many others before him. (Or he just didn't think it through)
Sometimes it seems like the players in control of Shepard picking synthesis are the villain characters too.
Like the one who said "It's for their own good!". What.
Sauruz wrote...
I'm just saying that any Shepard who picks Synthesis is the same kind of 'delusional villain'-character as many others before him. (Or he just didn't think it through)Orange Tee wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
+ Forcing unity on the world has always been the motive of 'delusion villain'-type characters.Orange Tee wrote...
Synthesis and Control thorought the entire series are portrayed as the ideals of two villans, both of which you kill over those very ideas, then they suddenly become true at the final moment and you believe it because some projection of a kid, supposedly the controller of Reapers told you so? No.
Sure, but it's honestly not even about genocide or anything like that.
It's the idea of control and synthesis themselves. It's made extremely clear throughout the entire series that these are the ideals of the Reapers, given to the organic that have fallen under their indoctrination.
Suddenly believing these ideas are possible (not to mention believing it while they are told to you by "the Reaper king child" lol) is rediculous.
MisterJB wrote...
Do tell, where are the Husks here? I see a human and a synthetic who seems to be acting more alive than before.The Angry One wrote...
Don't worry little Timmy, your mom and dad were turned into husks, but it's okay. Now you can be a husk too!
MisterJB wrote...
Do tell, where are the Husks here? I see a human and a synthetic who seems to be acting more alive than beforeThe Angry One wrote...
Don't worry little Timmy, your mom and dad were turned into husks, but it's okay. Now you can be a husk too!
Well, you can speculate what happens to the crucible if you wait too long to pick any ending.richard_rider wrote...
There should be a 4th choice...speculation...
MisterJB wrote...
Do tell, where are the Husks here? I see a human and a synthetic who seems to be acting more alive than before.The Angry One wrote...
Don't worry little Timmy, your mom and dad were turned into husks, but it's okay. Now you can be a husk too!
Guest_john_sheparrd_*
Sauruz wrote...
The fact that there are many people here who voice their concerns about becoming a cyborg?
Or how suddenly changing the very fundaments of existence could be a traumatic experience to many, especially to less-developed cultures and species?
Taboo-XX wrote...
He hasn't thought it through.
The Angry One wrote...
You don't know that for sure.
Maybe the fleet will win, or maybe they will cripple the Reapers with so many losses that there's no guarantee they'll be able to subdue the next cycle.
All options preserve the Reaper agenda somehow. Destroy is by far the least desirable, of course, but what it wants is synthesis.
Likely because the Crucible isn't capable of synthesis with low EMS.
Remember how upset the Catalyst sounds if you come there with low EMS? "WHY are you here!?"
Saren told you there was nothing you could do to stop him or Sovereign. This didn't make it true.
So why do you believe there's no other way to stop the Catalyst?
The point is everything you say about synthesis can be applied to control, so synthesis is a non-option.
It's scale. 300k people vs. the entire galaxy, instead of changing trillions without their consent vs. finding another way.
Because there was time to do so.
Aside from the billions of life forms who simply won't have a clue what's been done to them and will panic (primitive worlds, etc.) the people of the galaxy have been fighting cyborg machines who've turned their friends and loved ones into cyborg machines. How will they feel after being turned into cyborg machines themselves?
Don't worry little Timmy, your mom and dad were turned into husks, but it's okay. Now you can be a husk too!
Panic will likely be the first reaction. People always fear change.The Angry One wrote...
Ignoring the fact that this really tells us little, I'm speaking of the PSYCHOLOGICAL impact of people who have seen their friends and loved ones turned into husks.
Do you think they're going to say "Oh kewl, I'm a cyborg! Better stronger faster pew pew!" or are they going to say "NOOOO I'm turning into one of those things OH MY GOD HELP ME."
adneate wrote...
The Catalyst's problem is not our problem and the catalyst provides precisely no information to make this problem supercede the pending destruction of all advanced life in the galaxy by the reapers. His "argument" also makes a series of assumption about the nature of AI that I would say make these hypothetical beings sounds less like AIs and more like logic based computer programs.
Given that we don't care about or are able to understand or relate to the catalyst's hypothetical problem that still leaves destroy as the most efficent and effective means of solving our problems. I don't see why anyone would care what the Catalyst wants since his argument is so weak, I'm not expecting Socrates but I expect more than "This hypothetical situation that has never happened will happen and it will be bad, therefore you should do what I say". That's less of an argument and more prophecy, fitting that it's apocalyptic in nature I suppose.
MisterJB wrote...
Do tell, where are the Husks here? I see a human and a synthetic who seems to be acting more alive than before.The Angry One wrote...
Don't worry little Timmy, your mom and dad were turned into husks, but it's okay. Now you can be a husk too!
You know, the individuals on these forums beside you who have other opinions than yourself?Optimystic_X wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
The fact that there are many people here who voice their concerns about becoming a cyborg?
Or how suddenly changing the very fundaments of existence could be a traumatic experience to many, especially to less-developed cultures and species?
"Many people" like who? The Quarians are almost all cyborgs. EDI says the Salarians love the idea. Biotics of all races obviously embrace it for their amps. Soldiers of all races get implants as well. Chakwas doesn't like the idea, but even she grudgingly admits that your implants are very effective. Engineer Adams loves the idea. Who are these supposed "many people?"
But they've reached the apex of evoluation, theres no reason to mate anymore.MisterJB wrote...
Panic will likely be the first reaction. People always fear change.The Angry One wrote...
Ignoring the fact that this really tells us little, I'm speaking of the PSYCHOLOGICAL impact of people who have seen their friends and loved ones turned into husks.
Do you think they're going to say "Oh kewl, I'm a cyborg! Better stronger faster pew pew!" or are they going to say "NOOOO I'm turning into one of those things OH MY GOD HELP ME."
Those idiotic enough to kill themselves in the meantime did everyone else a favor by removing themselves from the gene pool.
Hmm my shepards have taken the Rachni oily shadow discussion at face value multiple times, we'll totally run off and will eventually help you kick reapers back into dark space, even after it bit her/him in the ass.This is, honestly, my biggest problem with the ending. His logic, and lack of proof.
Shepard is not a kid, and Casper isn't his mother, "Because I said so" is not a good reason.
Shepard
never takes anything at face value, but we're supposed to just nod and
agree with a little creepy kid whose "solution" has been trying to kill
us for a length of 3 games.
Kind of seems like a plight of the losing side...
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Sauruz wrote...
You know, the individuals on these forums beside you who have other opinions than yourself?Optimystic_X wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
The fact that there are many people here who voice their concerns about becoming a cyborg?
Or how suddenly changing the very fundaments of existence could be a traumatic experience to many, especially to less-developed cultures and species?
"Many people" like who? The Quarians are almost all cyborgs. EDI says the Salarians love the idea. Biotics of all races obviously embrace it for their amps. Soldiers of all races get implants as well. Chakwas doesn't like the idea, but even she grudgingly admits that your implants are very effective. Engineer Adams loves the idea. Who are these supposed "many people?"
Please tell me you're kidding when you're just assuming everybody shares your opinion and your line of thinking. You can't be for real.
Sauruz wrote...
You know, the individuals on these forums beside you who have other opinions than yourself?
Please tell me you're kidding when you're just assuming everybody shares your opinion and your line of thinking. You can't be for real.
You have to realize what my point is... that there is a strong majority of people who simply dislike the idea of being turned into a cyborg against their will...Optimystic_X wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
You know, the individuals on these forums beside you who have other opinions than yourself?
Please tell me you're kidding when you're just assuming everybody shares your opinion and your line of thinking. You can't be for real.
Obviously everyone doesn't share my opinion. Just like I don't share the opinion that destroying the Geth is worthwhile, and never will.
Sauruz wrote...
You have to realize what my point is... that there is a strong majority of people who simply dislike the idea of being turned into a cyborg against their will...
Oh god I don't even know why I bother anymore.
May I ask why?Sauruz wrote...
You have to realize what my point is... that there is a strong majority of people who simply dislike the idea of being turned into a cyborg against their will...
Optimystic_X wrote...
They won't; conventional victory is impossible. This is the game's premise, not fanfiction.
Also, subduing the next cycle is as easy as coming early. A single Reaper coming at us in the 1920s would wipe us all out, never mind the 1600s etc.
Of course it wants Synthesis; it considers synthesis to be the only way around the organic-synthetic conflict that it perceives.
But even with high EMS, he still presents the other options. If you show up with high enough EMS and Synthesis = Reapers Win, why mention the other two at all?
Because Shepard does not know how to operate the Crucible. He says so himself.
Except that Synthesis is presented as a sure end to the cycle, while Control is presented with doubt. This implies that the Reapers will revert to their original programming if Control stops for any reason.
"Changing trillions" still leaves them alive, and can easily leave them in a better position than they would be relative to the other options. The dead can change nothing.
That doesn't change the fact that Shepard unilaterally decided first, then warned the Batarians second.
Just as he unilaterally decided the fate of the Rachni (twice).
EDI and Joker clearly were not husks, troll harder.
(Note: I have nothing against femshep, I just can't be bothered writing "s/he" and "him/her" etc. all the time.)
MisterJB wrote...
Panic will likely be the first reaction. People always fear change.The Angry One wrote...
Ignoring the fact that this really tells us little, I'm speaking of the PSYCHOLOGICAL impact of people who have seen their friends and loved ones turned into husks.
Do you think they're going to say "Oh kewl, I'm a cyborg! Better stronger faster pew pew!" or are they going to say "NOOOO I'm turning into one of those things OH MY GOD HELP ME."
Those idiotic enough to kill themselves in the meantime did everyone else a favor by removing themselves from the gene pool.
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