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[balance5050]

Ender Ghost wrote...

Wintermaulz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?

Actually no, we dont <_<

I don't know a single Christian who thinks that...

They're out there, in dark corners of the country, they're out there.

[Varus Praetor]

A lot of sci-fi has a reduced importance placed on religion. It's so common that the only reason this would have elicited any outrage at all is just because of it's popularity. Perhaps if they keep the mention of "suppressed religions" in Ender's Game when they make the movie, that will garner some outrage (spoiler: Islam is frowned upon in the future apparently).

[Iconoclaste]

Since "beliefs" were there at the very beginning of humanity, I would assume that would be the case almost anywhere life spawns. Science never discredited the existence of God, the farthest they have gone, if I remind correctly, is something along the lines of Hawkings saying that this Universe may have only needed a God to be created (at the "big bang"), but could very well be on itself afterwards. It is speculative, but points to a state of knowledge of the actual Universe that could reach such a conclusion, with a stretch, since this knowledge is still filled with paradoxes and incomplete models and theories.

Having scientists like Einstein and Hawkings often make references to "God" in their "legacy" makes some people's dismissive comments about God a little bit presomptuous.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 02 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[JBPBRC]

ckriley wrote...

Sorry if this has already been posted or discussed, but I noticed something interesting that Mordin said that I was kind of surprised didn't cause a bit of a stir, especially seeing as how there's so many parents groups and other organizations heavily monitoring video games today.

It was during a conversation with Mordin on the Normandy after you retrieved Eve from Sur'kesh.  When Shepard hears Mordin call her that name, he says, "Eve?"  To which Mordin replies that since they were on a human vessel, he felt it was appropriate to give her a name from human mythology.  So in other words, he explicitly refers to Judaism, Christianity and Islam as mythologies, since Eve is a prominent figure in all three religions.

Now, I don't have any problems with that, personally.  And I'm not here to discuss whether you believe it is a mythology or not since that will only get this thread locked, but this is the first time in the trilogy I've heard religion specifically called that.  And there was no controversy.

By the way, to keep this thread from devolving into a political or religious debate, it should be mentioned that various characters refer to all the different races in the galaxy as having their own myths.  So what Mordin said was totally in keeping with that.  But I was just curious that this didn't cause controversy.

Anyone else notice what Mordin said and kind of pause?

I don't see what the issue is. An alien, a being from a completely different planet and star system, with a keen scientific mind, refers to a contextual name from a set of Earth religions he classifies as mythology. Alien being the key word of course.

[eoinnx03]

Maybe it's a sign that the human race is growing up or at the very least less stupid and has stopped believing in fairy stories of incest.

[GuardianAngel470]

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?

Yeah, most Christians consider it a parable not historic fact.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

ckriley wrote...

Sorry if this has already been posted or discussed, but I noticed something interesting that Mordin said that I was kind of surprised didn't cause a bit of a stir, especially seeing as how there's so many parents groups and other organizations heavily monitoring video games today.

It was during a conversation with Mordin on the Normandy after you retrieved Eve from Sur'kesh.  When Shepard hears Mordin call her that name, he says, "Eve?"  To which Mordin replies that since they were on a human vessel, he felt it was appropriate to give her a name from human mythology.  So in other words, he explicitly refers to Judaism, Christianity and Islam as mythologies, since Eve is a prominent figure in all three religions.

Now, I don't have any problems with that, personally.  And I'm not here to discuss whether you believe it is a mythology or not since that will only get this thread locked, but this is the first time in the trilogy I've heard religion specifically called that.  And there was no controversy.

By the way, to keep this thread from devolving into a political or religious debate, it should be mentioned that various characters refer to all the different races in the galaxy as having their own myths.  So what Mordin said was totally in keeping with that.  But I was just curious that this didn't cause controversy.

Anyone else notice what Mordin said and kind of pause?

play Assassin's Creed

[darkiddd]

I'm surprised no one has said here how their beliefs doesn't need to exclude others necessarily. I am a christian but I don't think that islam, buddhism, judaism etc... are wrong. I think every religion are different means to acknowledge the existence of some kind of spirituality in the universe. No religion is completely right and no religion is wrong in itself (except religions whose main themes doesn't respect the nature of the human being like scientiology).

Every human being seeks the truth to order its existence, even atheists, who believe in no god, believe in a truth: "there's no god". I can respect their beliefs thought I don't believe in the same as them because they are trying, like anyone else, to give meaning to their existence in their way with their truth. It's our nature. And the majority of people who don't have any religion will still try to live a good life being kind with the others, making friends, helping other people, etc... could they possibly say what they do has no final sense because they think there's no god? Of course they wouldn't say that because we all know more or less that our actions are important because there's value in them as they can be good or bad and good and bad can't be changed by the human being with words or ideologies.

[darkiddd]

darkiddd wrote...

I'm surprised no one has said here how their beliefs doesn't have to exclude others necessarily. I am a christian but I don't think that islam, buddhism, judaism etc... are wrong. I think every religion are different means to acknowledge the existence of some kind of spirituality in the universe. No religion is completely right and no religion is wrong in itself (except religions whose main themes doesn't respect the nature of the human being like scientiology).

Every human being seeks the truth to order its existence, even atheists, who believe in no god, believe in a truth: "there's no god". I can respect their beliefs thought I don't believe in the same as them because they are trying, like anyone else, to give meaning to their existence in their way with their truth. It's our nature. And the majority of people who don't have any religion will still try to live a good life being kind with the others, making friends, helping other people, etc... could they possibly say what they do has no final sense because they think there's no god? Of course they wouldn't say that because we all know more or less that our actions are important because there's value in them as they can be good or bad and good and bad can't be changed by the human being with words or ideologies.

[EnvyTB075]

From my limited exposure, monotheistic religions tend to place humanity as the "special" people in the eyes of a supposed "god". The mere existence of beings that are not human and didn't come from Earth would directly invalidate the central belief that humans are gods children.

At least thats the way i see this scenario in ME and real life. I refuse to believe that with the size of our universe that we on this small insignificant planet that is only 1 out of possible trillions of planets capable of sustaining life, are somehow special.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 02 mai 2012 - 08:29 .

[nitefyre410]

Ender Ghost wrote...

Wintermaulz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?

Actually no, we dont <_<

I don't know a single Christian who thinks that...

Well now you have meet two...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 mai 2012 - 08:34 .

[Made Nightwing]

Actually, we take the perspective that since God is infinite, it is infinitely possible that he did create other intelligent species and we may indeed encounter them someday. And that is all I will say on the matter.

[Made Nightwing]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

Wintermaulz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?

Actually no, we dont <_<

I don't know a single Christian who thinks that...

Well now you have meet two... 

If you are a Christian, then there are several points that are needed to be taken from Genesis. That God created the universe. That He created it in an orderly manner. That humans were created and given stewardship of Earth. If you take those essential truths from it then you're on the right track, regardless of whether you favour literal or allegorical interpretations. And since religion is the number one thing that should never be discussed on an internet forum if conversation is to remain civil, I shall immediately depart the thread before I get flamed. Peace out.

Also, as to why it didn't cause a controversy: it wasn't some kind of religious statement, therefore it wouldn't even be considered worth causing a fuss about. Seriously, it's not even an issue. I can't think of a single Christian I know who would bat an eyelid at it.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 02 mai 2012 - 08:39 .

[nitefyre410]

Made Nightwing wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

Wintermaulz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?

Actually no, we dont <_<

I don't know a single Christian who thinks that...

Well now you have meet two... 

If you are a Christian, then there are several points that are needed to be taken from Genesis. That God created the universe. That He created it in an orderly manner. That humans were created and given stewardship of Earth. If you take those essential truths from it then you're on the right track, regardless of whether you favour literal or allegorical interpretations. And since religion is the number one thing that should never be discussed on an internet forum if conversation is to remain civil, I shall immediately depart the thread before I get flamed. Peace out.

  

True, still its 5  am and my brain is just  not functioning at that speed right know... come back in another 5 hours or so.. 

damn insomina 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 mai 2012 - 08:39 .

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Any religion would be a myth to a different species. Humans would call Salarian beliefs a myth. Salarians would call Asari beliefs a myth etc etc.

[ctanctan]

A mythology is simple a society or religions collection of stories from their origin. No matter what you believe, that belief is a mythology. The word doesn' mean true or false. All it means is that it is a collection of stories.

[Zaxares]

No, Mordin's mention of Eve taking her name from human "mythology" didn't make me pause. Or even blink. The term "mythology" generally refers to ancient stories with fantastical elements, regardless of their source. You have to admit, living in an eternal paradise with a talking serpent and a tree that magically bestows knowledge upon people that's now guarded by a flaming sword which turns every which way does sound pretty fantastical. It could all be allegory, of course, but the same could be said of just about every creation story from any religion in human history.

[Oransel]

I am Christian and I have no problem with Mass Effect series because of it. First, Shepard can claim to be monotheist/abrahamic if you choose this option. Second, Mass Effect series setting does not suggest or give evidences that human monotheistic religions are wrong. Assasin's Creed is actively anti-abrahamic or even anti-religion game in general, while Mass Effect is respectful to both religious people and atheists.

[Merchant2006]

Oransel wrote...

I am Christian and I have no problem with Mass Effect series because of it. First, Shepard can claim to be monotheist/abrahamic if you choose this option. Second, Mass Effect series setting does not suggest or give evidences that human monotheistic religions are wrong. Assasin's Creed is actively anti-abrahamic or even anti-religion game in general, while Mass Effect is respectful to both religious people and atheists.

Assassin's Creed bashes your face in with the anti-religion stick and tells you that the game was made by people of various religions and backgrounds to make you feel better about it.

Lol.

But yeah... w/e. I should go.