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[MOELANDER]

Catroi wrote...

It's said in the ME1 codex that abrahamic religions collapsed after the discovery of other species, because they were unable to explain their existence

Sorry can't find it... Source? The Mass Effect Wiki has no such codex entry and those guys quoted the whole thing.
The only thing about what the discovery of aliens did to religions is in this wiki entry:
http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance
Ther it says the following thing:
Some tried to incorporate this new-found knowledge into their dogma, some remained silent, while a few tried to stubbornly deny the evidence found on Mars.


It also says there, that most religions "fractured" which means they split into several confessions like christianity did two times in past history. Also it doesn't state explicitly "abrahamic" religions, but simply ALL religions.
Also there is the Cerberus News Network entry fom Dec. 25. 2010 which says that Christmas is still celebrated with it's original intention.
http://masseffect.wi...ay_of_Christmas

We also have this Piece from the CDN:
08/04/2010 - Asari Diamond "The Mother's Star" Blessed by Earth's Pope“The Mother's Star, the largest natural gemstone-cut diamond in the galaxy, was blessed by Earth's Pope Leo XIV today. The Star weighs in at 2,105 carats and was found on the asari colony world of Sanves. The diamond is undergoing a galactic tour to be blessed by major religious leaders of Council space. Tomorrow it will be taken back to Thessia for the final leg of its journey. After an incantation by asari atamna (a collection of high priestesses), it will be placed in the crown jewel collection of the republic of Ulee.”
found here: http://masseffect.wi..._Earth.27s_Pope

Which shows that at least catholic christianity embraces the new races and has not "collapsed" because of this discovery.
Since I am a christian myself I would guess that most christian beliefs would interpret the emergence of other species like this: "Jesus told us to go out and make disciples all the people in the world. The world has become exceedingly larger, but our mission still stands, but now on a galactic scale."

If this codex Entry actually exists catroi, then please link to the Wiki page of it. I searched since yesterday and couldn't find anything like that with the keywords: "religion" "abrahamic" "islamic" "judaism" "christian"
I only found these I referenced up there.

Modifié par MOELANDER, 02 mai 2012 - 10:17 .

[MOELANDER]

Oransel wrote...

I am Christian and I have no problem with Mass Effect series because of it. First, Shepard can claim to be monotheist/abrahamic if you choose this option. Second, Mass Effect series setting does not suggest or give evidences that human monotheistic religions are wrong. Assasin's Creed is actively anti-abrahamic or even anti-religion game in general, while Mass Effect is respectful to both religious people and atheists.

Exactly! Well said my brother in Yeshua/Jesus

[azerSheppard]

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?

O'Reilly

[MOELANDER]

03/30/2010 - Human Holiday of Passover Celebrated
“Today marks the human holiday of Passover, commemorating the liberation of slaves through the power of an omnipotent deity. Humans of the Jewish religion celebrate with a special meal of unleavened bread, wine, bitter herbs, and the meat of a young herd animal. During the meal an ancestral story is recited about the flight from their oppressors and the miracles that saved the Jewish people and gave them law. Songs, prayers, and a ritual reading of questions designed to educate the young round out the ceremony. Traditions differ on whether or not other species are allowed at the meal: one rule says the presence of non-Jews makes the meal impure, but another rule says that all who are hungry should come and eat. The second view has dominated in recent years, and small businesses have sprung up that specialize in making dextro-amino-acid-based food for turian and quarian participants.”

And another one I found:
Source:
http://masseffect.wi...over_Celebrated

Seems like the jews are also still around and integrating their beliefs into agalactic society.

[Karolus_V]

Even if Mordin said " Human religions are stupid , especially those about salvation"or even saying religions by their name, I dont think is fair someone gets angry for it. For aliens, other religions such earths one, at most, would be interesting to study as socilogical things, but if they consider them nonsense, it would be reasonable. In universe makes sense.

[parrmi22]

Mordin also terms the Eve reference as mythology, implying that it is all false. I'm so glad he agrees with me.

[bFootball]

It's only really the hardcore born again christian types who believe the Adam and Eve story actually happened. Most Christians regard it as a metaphoric tale. Many other cultures and religions have similar stories of their beginnings.

Maybe most of the hardcore Christians were too busy with republican primaries to pay attention to a few lines in a video game.

[Norman250]

parrmi22 wrote...

Mordin also terms the Eve reference as mythology, implying that it is all false. I'm so glad he agrees with me.

Mythology in terms of religion just means the mythos of that religion's stories. It does not necessarily denote disbelief. 

[Psychlonus]

Dominus Solanum wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...
Actually, that poster makes a valid point. Science has become a de-facto religion, with it's own dogmas, "holy men", and acolytes. And this is an observation from someone who isn't even religious (me).

You say you do not have a firm belief in anything, YET you firmly believe that religion is nothing more than a falsehood. And it IS A BELIEF on your part, since there is NO HARD EVIDENCE that there is a higher power, or that there is no higher power.

The Agnostics are actually closer to the mark, if one wants to get technical. They simply admit that they don't know.

I was with you on your defenses up until you said that. This is an arguement I've heard dozens of times and is so flawed in its way of thinking that it continues to stupify me every time I hear it. If you've come to that conclusion on your own, kudos. I think it's far more likely it was told to you by the masses of people that think like you and train themselves against valid arguments. 

Science lacks the defining characteristics of a religion. It also does not require faith to work. 

Going to post that again so you can read it twice. 

Science lacks the defining characteristics of a religion. It also does not require faith to work.  

Your arguments are just fine, but please stop trying to spread this idea around.  It is wrong, flat out, no matter what your faith is. 

Here's what's causing the confusion:

Science is a methodology, not a belief system. Materialism is a belief system. These two things are routinely confused with each other. Materialism manifests itself when people say "ghosts don't exist". That's a belief, not science. From the point of view of science, ghosts are simply as of yet,  not a disprovabe hypothesis. The scientific method requires that only disprovable hypotheses are allowed in the process and therefore ghosts are not allowed--which does NOT mean that ghosts don't exist. It only means that if they do exist, then they simpy lie outside of the purview of the established scientific method. That's where paranormal researchers come in. They acknowledge that the established scientific method can't be used; but if ghosts exist, then they may be able to be proved with the right apparatus. The fact that they can't be disproved doesn't mean they can't be proved.

[Pottumuusi]

All religions are mythologies, objectively speaking.

[Pottumuusi]

Psychlonus wrote...
 That's where paranormal researchers come in. They acknowledge that the established scientific method can't be used; but if ghosts exist, then they may be able to be proved with the right apparatus. The fact that they can't be disproved doesn't mean they can't be proved.

Eww, what the hell? Jesus no.

If something is proven to exist then it is done via the scientific method, metaphysical research or whatever you call that is 100% worthless. If ghosts cannot be proven to exist using science then ghosts do not exist or if they do then there is no way to know that they do. Such ghosts would then be indistinguishable from ghosts that don't exist.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 04 mai 2012 - 10:55 .

[Coachdongwiffle]

The main protaganist is "the Sheppard" for christs sake lol Legion's name came from the Christian bible I mean they didn't try to avoid it.

[Jassu1979]

You know, "myth" is NOT synonymous with "lie" or even "fanciful fabrication".
They are culture-specific tales whose purpose consists of making sense of life, the universe and everything, supply people with a sense of shared identity, and explain where we come from and where we're going.

That they're usually factually incorrect is a secondary concern, really.

[Psychlonus]

Pottumuusi wrote...

Psychlonus wrote...
 That's where paranormal researchers come in. They acknowledge that the established scientific method can't be used; but if ghosts exist, then they may be able to be proved with the right apparatus. The fact that they can't be disproved doesn't mean they can't be proved.

Eww, what the hell? Jesus no.

If something is proven to exist then it is done via the scientific method, metaphysical research or whatever you call that is 100% worthless. If ghosts cannot be proven to exist using science then ghosts do not exist or if they do then there is no way to know that they do. Such ghosts would then be indistinguishable from ghosts that don't exist.

Ghosts aren't allowed as a hypothesis in the scienticic method. That's why norma science won't touch the subject. Paranormal researches don't ascribe to the rules and it wil be up to them to find evidence via some kind of apparatus that can then be submitted to science--they're not allowable on the hypothesis level.

[Pottumuusi]

Jassu1979 wrote...

You know, "myth" is NOT synonymous with "lie" or even "fanciful fabrication".
They are culture-specific tales whose purpose consists of making sense of life, the universe and everything, supply people with a sense of shared identity, and explain where we come from and where we're going.

That they're usually factually incorrect is a secondary concern, really.

"Myth" is however synonymous with "fairytale".

[Apathy1989]

The Angry One wrote...

You do know many Christians regard Adam and Eve and other the stories of the Old Testament as mythology don't you?