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[humes spork]

Doctor-Chalmers wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Now if they wanted to be controversial, they would've set Priority: Earth in Rome where you fight through Vatican City and battle a huskified Pope.

but that would have been awesome. and a better ending

I don't know, the pope is just an old man. Not like Asari Matriarchs.

Have Biotic God be the Pope. 
Voila!

Gay Pope.

That is all.

[BatmanPWNS]

He just used the name, nothing controversy about it.

[The Almighty Ali]

Well he is a aliens and in his opinion Christianity can be considered a mythology much like we view the religion the ancient greeks believed in, or the Vikings.

His religious belief is probably different from other aliens beings, including humans.

[MakeMineMako]

Abreu Road wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

There is also a "Mitochondrial Eve" who lived about 200,000 years ago - and all humans (from all, without being unfair, "major" ethnic races) can trace a lineage back to this single female ancestor.

http://science.howst...le-ancestor.htm

Don't worry, it isn't religion disguised as science - just a interesting thing I thought I'd throw in.

In the context of the game, the bible itself has been seriously debunked as a myth. I guess that the sudden discovery of alien races who are not only more developed than us and could fairly easily destroy us: proving we are not the most important thing in the universe after all, but also the fact that they don't have religious beliefs that could coincide with ours would ultimately destroy the notion that religious instruction came from an all powerful God who created the universe and everything in it. Otherwise, wouldnt they also have the same beliefs?
I think the whole discovery of us being "uplifted" to small degrees by the Protheans would shake pretty much anyones faith too.

Its why Ashley's belief was made enough of a deal that she had to mention it after you gained some of her trust. Her language implies that very few people continue to believe in god, even that it is potentially looked down upon.

I can't help myself: notice there is no religion in ME? Notice how humans tend to get on well with each other? there's no racism between them anymore? Yeah, me too 

The fact that established religion still exists on Earth disputes that notion.

And relations between the various religious, racial, and ethnic groups in less developed nations is unknown. The fact that Earth has merc companies based there, and the nations still have militaries, implies that some conflict still takes place

Yeah, I remember something about a civil war in the US when reading the codex in Kasumi's Stolen Memory. I think this entry shows up after we find Lady Liberty's Head in the bad guy's vault.

Yep. The Second American Civil War which erupted in 2096.

[Kushan101]

frylock23 wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

There is also a "Mitochondrial Eve" who lived about 200,000 years ago - and all humans (from all, without being unfair, "major" ethnic races) can trace a lineage back to this single female ancestor.

http://science.howst...le-ancestor.htm

Don't worry, it isn't religion disguised as science - just a interesting thing I thought I'd throw in.

In the context of the game, the bible itself has been seriously debunked as a myth. I guess that the sudden discovery of alien races who are not only more developed than us and could fairly easily destroy us: proving we are not the most important thing in the universe after all, but also the fact that they don't have religious beliefs that could coincide with ours would ultimately destroy the notion that religious instruction came from an all powerful God who created the universe and everything in it. Otherwise, wouldnt they also have the same beliefs?
I think the whole discovery of us being "uplifted" to small degrees by the Protheans would shake pretty much anyones faith too.

Its why Ashley's belief was made enough of a deal that she had to mention it after you gained some of her trust. Her language implies that very few people continue to believe in god, even that it is potentially looked down upon.

I can't help myself: notice there is no religion in ME? Notice how humans tend to get on well with each other? there's no racism between them anymore? Yeah, me too 

I don't see why. If you believe that there is a God and he set everything, and I do mean everything in motion, then he set that in motion, too. It all came from somewhere basically.

And if you think that religion causes racism, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Not at all, but it sure as hell doesn't help it.

But if is all powerful and did indeed "set everything in motion", then why would the Turians not believe in him/her/it? or the Krogan? or Asari? he seems fairly insistent on praise in our abrahamic religions, why make an exception for the other races? Would they not get a "divine revelation" too?

[The Angry One]

humes spork wrote...

Doctor-Chalmers wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Now if they wanted to be controversial, they would've set Priority: Earth in Rome where you fight through Vatican City and battle a huskified Pope.

but that would have been awesome. and a better ending

I don't know, the pope is just an old man. Not like Asari Matriarchs.

Have Biotic God be the Pope. 
Voila!

Gay Pope.

That is all.

Gay female Volus Biotic God Pope.

[ZackG312]

most of the times is atheists that make a big deal about religion

Modifié par ZackG312, 01 mai 2012 - 09:06 .

[Beerfish]

The Angry One wrote...

Now if they wanted to be controversial, they would've set Priority: Earth in Rome where you fight through Vatican City and battle a huskified Pope.

Who are you Sinead O'Connor or sumpin?

[MakeMineMako]

Kushan101 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

There is also a "Mitochondrial Eve" who lived about 200,000 years ago - and all humans (from all, without being unfair, "major" ethnic races) can trace a lineage back to this single female ancestor.

http://science.howst...le-ancestor.htm

Don't worry, it isn't religion disguised as science - just a interesting thing I thought I'd throw in.

In the context of the game, the bible itself has been seriously debunked as a myth. I guess that the sudden discovery of alien races who are not only more developed than us and could fairly easily destroy us: proving we are not the most important thing in the universe after all, but also the fact that they don't have religious beliefs that could coincide with ours would ultimately destroy the notion that religious instruction came from an all powerful God who created the universe and everything in it. Otherwise, wouldnt they also have the same beliefs?
I think the whole discovery of us being "uplifted" to small degrees by the Protheans would shake pretty much anyones faith too.

Its why Ashley's belief was made enough of a deal that she had to mention it after you gained some of her trust. Her language implies that very few people continue to believe in god, even that it is potentially looked down upon.

I can't help myself: notice there is no religion in ME? Notice how humans tend to get on well with each other? there's no racism between them anymore? Yeah, me too 

I don't see why. If you believe that there is a God and he set everything, and I do mean everything in motion, then he set that in motion, too. It all came from somewhere basically.

And if you think that religion causes racism, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Not at all, but it sure as hell doesn't help it.

But if is all powerful and did indeed "set everything in motion", then why would the Turians not believe in him/her/it? or the Krogan? or Asari? he seems fairly insistent on praise in our abrahamic religions, why make an exception for the other races? Would they not get a "divine revelation" too?

For the same reasons Hindus, Buddhists, Taoist, and whatnot do. Alien societies have their own belief systems.

[Mahrac]

The Angry One wrote...

Gay female Volus Biotic God Pope.

THE CONTROVERSY

[frylock23]

Kushan101 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

There is also a "Mitochondrial Eve" who lived about 200,000 years ago - and all humans (from all, without being unfair, "major" ethnic races) can trace a lineage back to this single female ancestor.

http://science.howst...le-ancestor.htm

Don't worry, it isn't religion disguised as science - just a interesting thing I thought I'd throw in.

In the context of the game, the bible itself has been seriously debunked as a myth. I guess that the sudden discovery of alien races who are not only more developed than us and could fairly easily destroy us: proving we are not the most important thing in the universe after all, but also the fact that they don't have religious beliefs that could coincide with ours would ultimately destroy the notion that religious instruction came from an all powerful God who created the universe and everything in it. Otherwise, wouldnt they also have the same beliefs?
I think the whole discovery of us being "uplifted" to small degrees by the Protheans would shake pretty much anyones faith too.

Its why Ashley's belief was made enough of a deal that she had to mention it after you gained some of her trust. Her language implies that very few people continue to believe in god, even that it is potentially looked down upon.

I can't help myself: notice there is no religion in ME? Notice how humans tend to get on well with each other? there's no racism between them anymore? Yeah, me too 

I don't see why. If you believe that there is a God and he set everything, and I do mean everything in motion, then he set that in motion, too. It all came from somewhere basically.

And if you think that religion causes racism, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Not at all, but it sure as hell doesn't help it.

But if is all powerful and did indeed "set everything in motion", then why would the Turians not believe in him/her/it? or the Krogan? or Asari? he seems fairly insistent on praise in our abrahamic religions, why make an exception for the other races? Would they not get a "divine revelation" too?

They have their own belief systems. That they have faith is enough evidence for me.

[Bomma72]

Kushan101 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

There is also a "Mitochondrial Eve" who lived about 200,000 years ago - and all humans (from all, without being unfair, "major" ethnic races) can trace a lineage back to this single female ancestor.

http://science.howst...le-ancestor.htm

Don't worry, it isn't religion disguised as science - just a interesting thing I thought I'd throw in.

In the context of the game, the bible itself has been seriously debunked as a myth. I guess that the sudden discovery of alien races who are not only more developed than us and could fairly easily destroy us: proving we are not the most important thing in the universe after all, but also the fact that they don't have religious beliefs that could coincide with ours would ultimately destroy the notion that religious instruction came from an all powerful God who created the universe and everything in it. Otherwise, wouldnt they also have the same beliefs?
I think the whole discovery of us being "uplifted" to small degrees by the Protheans would shake pretty much anyones faith too.

Its why Ashley's belief was made enough of a deal that she had to mention it after you gained some of her trust. Her language implies that very few people continue to believe in god, even that it is potentially looked down upon.

I can't help myself: notice there is no religion in ME? Notice how humans tend to get on well with each other? there's no racism between them anymore? Yeah, me too 

I don't see why. If you believe that there is a God and he set everything, and I do mean everything in motion, then he set that in motion, too. It all came from somewhere basically.

And if you think that religion causes racism, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Not at all, but it sure as hell doesn't help it.

But if is all powerful and did indeed "set everything in motion", then why would the Turians not believe in him/her/it? or the Krogan? or Asari? he seems fairly insistent on praise in our abrahamic religions, why make an exception for the other races? Would they not get a "divine revelation" too?

Maybe they did but not in the same way.  Plus this is a fictional story in a fictional universe so why worry about it.  Look at it this way Tolken is a Christian, but his universe says nothing about Christ, now there are a rare few who are offended by this, but Tolkens idea was to get across many of the same themes in his religion without using allegory.  What's to be offended. 

Modifié par Bomma72, 01 mai 2012 - 09:10 .

[Abreu Road]

It's funny how a lot of people and races in ME universe thinks about religion as a common thing, while Bioware says in the codex that it collapsed (on Earth) or something like that.

Mordin's clearly has a spiritual side, and he is a scientist/medic. Liara is an asari, a race of people who can live up to a thousand years old, the first ones to reach the citadel and all this ****, and yet, they believe in gods (or goddess, as Athame, which is the most common belief for asaris), Liara even looks a lot disturbed by the fact that Athame was a Prothean, suggesting that she was a "believer". Garrus talks a lot about afterlife and that bar in heaven with Shepard in ME3. And Ash is christian, or something like that. There is that volus rich guy who believes in beings of light or something, and Legion says that the Geth kind of played with this starting a rumour of a constellation of start forming a salarian godess face.

I think this comes from Bioware's past as RPG and medieval games developer. There is a lot of mysticism, myths and religion in this kind of setting, and it was natural that they used something like that when creating the Mass Effect mythos.

Seems like the misteries of the universe where not yet clarified in Mass Effect's world. People probably don't care about that, as they don't care with leaving the most important space station of the entire galaxy at the care of the keepers, a race of aliens who pops out of nowhere in the Citadel.

[frylock23]

Bomma72 wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Kushan101 wrote...

There is also a "Mitochondrial Eve" who lived about 200,000 years ago - and all humans (from all, without being unfair, "major" ethnic races) can trace a lineage back to this single female ancestor.

http://science.howst...le-ancestor.htm

Don't worry, it isn't religion disguised as science - just a interesting thing I thought I'd throw in.

In the context of the game, the bible itself has been seriously debunked as a myth. I guess that the sudden discovery of alien races who are not only more developed than us and could fairly easily destroy us: proving we are not the most important thing in the universe after all, but also the fact that they don't have religious beliefs that could coincide with ours would ultimately destroy the notion that religious instruction came from an all powerful God who created the universe and everything in it. Otherwise, wouldnt they also have the same beliefs?
I think the whole discovery of us being "uplifted" to small degrees by the Protheans would shake pretty much anyones faith too.

Its why Ashley's belief was made enough of a deal that she had to mention it after you gained some of her trust. Her language implies that very few people continue to believe in god, even that it is potentially looked down upon.

I can't help myself: notice there is no religion in ME? Notice how humans tend to get on well with each other? there's no racism between them anymore? Yeah, me too 

I don't see why. If you believe that there is a God and he set everything, and I do mean everything in motion, then he set that in motion, too. It all came from somewhere basically.

And if you think that religion causes racism, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Not at all, but it sure as hell doesn't help it.

But if is all powerful and did indeed "set everything in motion", then why would the Turians not believe in him/her/it? or the Krogan? or Asari? he seems fairly insistent on praise in our abrahamic religions, why make an exception for the other races? Would they not get a "divine revelation" too?

Maybe they did but not in the same way.  Plus this is a fictional story in a fictional universe so why worry about it.  Look at it this way Tolken is a Christian, but his universe says nothing about Christ, now there are a rare few who are offended by this, but Tolkens idea was to get across many of the same themes in his religion without using allegory.  What's to be offended. 

Put it this way - What reason is there for any advanced species to have developed or kept their religions? You can argue that it's all just because of the Protheans, but even so, it doesn't excuse the level of faith at evidence even after 50,000 years in so many races. Why do so many species feel such a need to believe in something?

[RyrineaNara]

The Angry One wrote...

Now if they wanted to be controversial, they would've set Priority: Earth in Rome where you fight through Vatican City and battle a huskified Pope.

Actually, they should've had the pope banshee touching little boys  . I can't believe, I just posted that.


Also, why do I care about this since he is a scientist I would expect that type of thing his character would actually do in the first place. So why would I be upset over that little comment?

[legion999]

The Angry One wrote...
Gay female Volus Biotic God Pope.

[Merengues 1945]

Catroi wrote...

It's said in the ME1 codex that abrahamic religions collapsed after the discovery of other species, because they were unable to explain their existence

this... also if can recall, many of the still followers of those faiths were zealots and very xenophobic people like Ashley.

And well... there's more pressing issues than fighting if in the future people will still believe on baby jesus or not.. Serioulsy I don't care at all.

[sammysoso]

Hogge87 wrote...

Ashley's quite christian in ME1 if I remember correctly?

She never mentions Christ, or any other identifiers of any particular denomination or religion. Only a belief in God and the afterlife.

I consider her a deist.

[sistersafetypin]

NUM13ER wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Catroi wrote...

It's said in the ME1 codex that abrahamic religions collapsed after the discovery of other species, because they were unable to explain their existence

So why does Ashley claim to be christian in ME1?

She believes in God and an afterlife. Not the same thing.

This. 

[Ryven]

suusuuu wrote...

There are more pressing matters for table flipping than this.

[ungodlike]

PistolPete7556 wrote...

ckriley wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

Legion got his name from the bible, that didn't cause a stir either (or I don't remember it).
Personally, I think it's because it wasn't a human that gave either of them their names

If I remember correctly, after Legion got his name, he just references that it's from the Bible, but I don't believe he ever said it was a mythology.  It's been a while since I played it though.

Yea he said Christian Bible and said it was from the book of Mark. Which it is

It fits Legion 3 .  though legion is not originally from the bible regardless it fits

The way it is used in the bible is negative though, it describes a demon or demons "Legion" because it is one of many or many, basically a noun turned into a name.

le·gionn.
1. The major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops.

2. A large military unit trained for combat; an army.

3. A large number; a multitude. See Synonyms at multitude.

4. often Legion A national organization of former members of the armed forces

.adj.Constituting a large number; multitudinous: Her admirers were legion. His mistakes were legion.

Modifié par ungodlike, 01 mai 2012 - 09:49 .

[Qutayba]

Well, calling it a mythology doesn't necessarily deny any truth claims. Myth encapsulates ideas and values in the form of a narrative. You could believe that the Adam and Eve story is true, and you could still call it mythology. It doesn't have to have a negative connotation.

[Gill Kaiser]

Who doesn't regard Genesis as mythology?