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[GavrielKay]

Silfren wrote...
The question, though, is, do archdemons body hop the way they do as a sort of innate trick they have, or because of the taint.  The latter was the explanation given in Origins--that the taint let the archdemon travel into the nearest available tainted body, but there's nothing to say that the Wardens aren't simply inaccurate on the details of that point, and I rather like this totally unprovable and made-up speculation. 

Well, if it's a possessed dragon, then the possessing spirit aught to be able to change hosts when necessary.  Perhaps being tainted actually lmiits this ability so that they can only possess other tainted bodies?

As for being Fen'Harel...  perhaps she is both.  After all, the spirits were the first children, so they predate the elves and their mythology.  If dragons existed early enough for one to be possessed around the time the elves were crafting their myths, it could still work.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

Well, it does provide a plausible alternate explanation for the darkspawn, whether red or blue lyrium. It remains to be seen how accurate it is, but there is a codex that asserts this mutation thing. I don't see much purpose in discounting it out of hand without further examination, even without the variant of red lyrium..

True, but aside from that codex we haven't seen any visual evidence on the part of NPCs to really support it.

...well... maybe that's not entirely accurate. The Profane feed off of the lyrium and don't look human, but I'm not sure if that has to do with feasting on the lyrium itself or something about the Primeval Thaig's past.

Considering the Stone is in fact a living entity of sorts, it may have to do with Dwarven history more then "Mmmm.... lyrium taste good."

Silfren wrote...

EWR, your theory on Andraste as an Old God baby just became a little more intriguing.

I can't take all the credit for it. It was a joint theory made by Rifneno and myself.

[GavrielKay]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...
EWR, your theory on Andraste as an Old God baby just became a little more intriguing.

I can't take all the credit for it. It was a joint theory made by Rifneno and myself.

What if Andraste and Flemeth were the same person?  There were only 7 Old Gods after all...

[dragonflight288]

Or maybe Flemeth is......the easter bunny! dun dun dun....

[GavrielKay]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Or maybe Flemeth is......the easter bunny! dun dun dun....

I'm having a hard time picturing the fluffy bunny ears on the dragon

Modifié par GavrielKay, 18 mai 2012 - 09:03 .

[dragonflight288]

Hmm.....maybe she ate King Arthur in dragon form and wanted to blame an Orlesian.

But think about it, the bunny is the last thing you see! Smiling creepily and giving vague advice that will probably lead to your death, or a life threatening situation.

[bleachorange]

if mages could not be imprisoned, then i would strip them of their magic and make them all as interesting as kaidan.

[bleachorange]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Or maybe Flemeth is......the easter bunny! dun dun dun....

where do you think bunnicula came from?

[dragonflight288]

where do you think bunnicula came from?

Dracula watching anime?

[Silfren]

bleachorange wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Or maybe Flemeth is......the easter bunny! dun dun dun....

where do you think bunnicula came from?

OMG I loved those books!

[Silfren]

GavrielKay wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...
EWR, your theory on Andraste as an Old God baby just became a little more intriguing.

I can't take all the credit for it. It was a joint theory made by Rifneno and myself.

What if Andraste and Flemeth were the same person?  There were only 7 Old Gods after all...

Do we know that for a fact? I could swear that there's a reference in Origins somewhere claiming that there were hundreds of dragons worshiped by the Imperium.  How do we know there were only seven bigwigs among them?

For that matter, how exactly is it that we know which archdemon was which?  I don't recall my Warden ever being on a first name basis with the archdemon she stabbed through the head.

Edit:  Okay, I went into Origins and got the relevant conversation with Alistair concerning the Old Gods.  I'd got it into my head that he said something like "The Tevinter Imperium worshipped dragons.  Hundreds of them.  Each dragon had a name and a place in the cosmos.  It's all very intricate."  What he actually states is "The Tevinter Empire had big statues of them.  Each dragon had a name and a place in the cosmos.  It’s all very intricate."  So, no, no mention of hundreds of dragon-gods.

Modifié par Silfren, 20 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[Silfren]

Gavriel, EWR, by the way...what the hell did you guys do with Lob? Seriously, where'd you hide him?

[Reznore57]

The name of the Dragons , and the fact that they are the old god is presented as scholar guess in codex, if i remember well.
I tend to think the archdemon are dragon abomination ...
There was also that crazy dragon worshipping sect that protected the ashes of Andraste , i don't remember that part of DA:O very well , i don't know if there's any interesting hints in that part of the story :s.

[Silfren]

Reznore57 wrote...

The name of the Dragons , and the fact that they are the old god is presented as scholar guess in codex, if i remember well.
I tend to think the archdemon are dragon abomination ...
There was also that crazy dragon worshipping sect that protected the ashes of Andraste , i don't remember that part of DA:O very well , i don't know if there's any interesting hints in that part of the story :s.

I think the question as to what precisely the Old Gods/archdemons are is still in the air.  I vaguely recall some mention that they are not true dragons, or dragon-abominations, or even dragon-thralls, though I will quickly point out that this was forum discussion (eithere here or on the wiki), and not, as I remember, backed up by any lore.  I think one of the reasons for this theory had to do with enchantments designed to deal extra damage to dragonkin not having any effect on archdemons. 

I'm especially intrigued by the part of the Chant that calls the Old Gods the Maker's first children.  That has sooo many possibilities...

[GavrielKay]

Well, I found the codex here: http://dragonage.wik...y:_The_Old_Gods

And part of it says:

The Archon Thalsian, first of the Magisters, who claimed to have contacted the Old God Dumat, used the blood magic Dumat taught to him to attain incredible power in Tevinter and declare himself the ruler of an Empire.

Now who else do we know who is said to be able to teach blood magic? Yeah, demons. Another interesting parallel. So we have a Chant verse that claims they were the Maker's first children and they know blood magic like demons do...

I begin to really like the idea of Old Gods as dragons possessed by extraordinary spirits or demons.

[GavrielKay]

Silfren wrote...

Gavriel, EWR, by the way...what the hell did you guys do with Lob? Seriously, where'd you hide him?

I haven't seen a post from him in ages.  Perhaps he isn't stuck at a computer all day like me

[Reznore57]

I don't know what to think about Old God being the first children of the Maker...Because the idea of one super god tends to bore me.
But they are a lot of myth when the original gods turned onto their children , like Cronos who ate all his children except Zeus who was saved by his mother i think.And i think grandpa Ouranos did the same and kept Gaia from properly delivering their children.

I like the idea that the "maker" would emprisonned his children on Thedas because he was afraid they might be his end.But usually in those myth the mother /somebody tried to save them (well sometimes the mother play the role of the baby eater^^).

Could be cool to have some family drama on the maker side.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

Gavriel, EWR, by the way...what the hell did you guys do with Lob? Seriously, where'd you hide him?

I blame the monkey-gnomes.

*continues going on about simians*

GavrielKay wrote...

What if Andraste and Flemeth were the same person?  There were only 7 Old Gods after all...

That's actually what I've believed myself for a while. Rifneno and I came up with the whole Dumat OGB = Andraste theory long ago.

I then added on that she might be a Somniari blood mage and eventually further added that maybe... just maybe... she was also Flemeth.

It'd be interesting, to say the least.

[Urzon]

Reznore57 wrote...

I like the idea that the "maker" would emprisonned his children on Thedas because he was afraid they might be his end.But usually in those myth the mother /somebody tried to save them (well sometimes the mother play the role of the baby eater^^).

Could be cool to have some family drama on the maker side.

That theory could still fit Flemeth, since she had Morrigan use the Dark Ritual to try and free the Old God. She could also fit in as the Mother/Baby Eater. Morrigan didn't want the OGB anywhere near her. Maybe she knew Flemeth a hankering for some (Old God) Baby Back Ribs *barbecue sauce* ?

Man... i'm terrible.

[dragonflight288]

Osund the Bard, or Lord Connubar is the maker!

[Silfren]

I don't think Andraste was a blood mage.  I think it would be a classic narrative twist for Andraste to have been a mage, and perhaps even a Somniari but I think making her a full out blood mage would ruin the irony by taking it too far.

That isn't to say, however, that some of her followers might not have been blood mages of the sort who saw no moral conflicts in using their own blood, or in using the blood of their Tevinter enemies.

[KingRoxas]

The Answer:
Who should die? Mages or Non mages? Choose.

[DKJaigen]

Kingroxas wrote...

The Answer:
Who should die? Mages or Non mages? Choose.

The question has no connection to the setting but if it did and you are completely pragmatic the answer is the non mages should die. Its already proven that humanity cannot survive without magic.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Gavriel, EWR, by the way...what the hell did you guys do with Lob? Seriously, where'd you hide him?

I blame the monkey-gnomes.

*continues going on about simians*

Monkey-gnomes?  *shudder* That's nightmare-fuel right there, that is.

Modifié par Silfren, 20 mai 2012 - 04:37 .