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[Foxd1e]

Oh and by fanbois you mean people who like the game and come to the forums, well we know DA:O has problems we are just patient enough not to run around like flaming ****s and cry about it every flippin chance we get. Gawd!

Modifié par Foxd1e, 08 décembre 2009 - 08:52 .

[Memengwa]

Don't feed the trolls!



But by all means feed the birds.

[Schyzm]

Memengwa wrote...

Don't feed the trolls!

But by all means feed the birds.

birds are horrible, they have no sphincters, rats of the sky.

[TastyLaksa]

SharpneI wrote...

TastyLaksa wrote...

If by crows he meant we can eat zevran. Omg i want to feed him to Dog so bad. He told me to spare his life so he can pick locks for me. LIES!

He meant the lock on your chastity belt.:innocent:

Does the village bicycle need a lock? 

[Memengwa]

Schyzm wrote...

Memengwa wrote...

Don't feed the trolls!

But by all means feed the birds.

birds are horrible, they have no sphincters, rats of the sky.

Nooo... they're dinosaurs...
Every kid knows dinosaurs are coolness.

[ModForFun]

Eurypterid wrote...

'Decency' on the boards would rise by an order of magnitude if terms like 'fanboy' and 'hater' weren't tossed around so freely, and if people didn't decide to flame others just for posting their opinion (no matter how it's worded). Just sayin'.

You should add the word Troll to that list since the vast majority of those who use it on these boards havnt a clue as to what the intended meaning is.

Wolfva2 wrote...

Wild Maiden wrote...

I think the OP is referring to the way a lot of people respond to every bug report and patch request with "no no no, mages are supposed to be overpowered" or "no no no, rogues should use swords" and insist the game was perfect with no errors and everything was as intended... those people were wrong.

Who here has evedr claimed that the game was perfect with no errors? I've never seen a post like that. I've seen posts where someone screams about how the game is completely screwed up because their 2H warrior can't kill a room full of warriors as fast as a mage can. I've seen posts where people scream because their party gets massacred every time they run into a room full of enemy helter skelter and get picked off piecemeal. But I haven't seen posts where people have said, "Oh, the game is absolutely PERFECT!" A lot of the problems people complain about are operator error. There's not much that Bioware can do, except drop the difficulty down for the 'special needs' players. They've done that. Some of the problems people complain about are actual problems with the game, ie. the dex bug. Most of the actual problems Bioware has recognised and said they're working on. This patch shows that they've been working on some of those problems.

Well I myself havnt had any problems with the game other then the dex bug ect. & common stuff, I also never bothered to complain since I figured it would get fixed eventualy and honestly the bugs that did exist were not game breaking for me atleast.

I will say that these forums are littered with mindless posts flaming those who post about bugs regardless of how the posts are worded, even in the support section where these are supposed to be reported someone allways felt the need to make some stupid comment on how your rogue can allways just dual weild swords instead of daggers and blah blah blah.

So yeah I see where the OP is coming from, but I cant agree with the hostility in his post.

[hangmans tree]

My comperhension reading these boards is wahts being 'nerfed' lately.

I dont understand what are the arguments about...

I dont understand most of the threads...

I dont understand some of the dev team decisions...

I dont understand people bickering about irrevelant subjects...



...and trying to convince everybody else that their truth is more valid than any other.



"All pigs are equal...but some pigs are more equal than others" - yes, I know I changed it.

[Tosheroon]

OP counted one for sorrow I guess.

[Drag0n-RD]

*has a sudden urge to try crow*

[Zejoph]

I originally read "fanbois" as if it were a French word (fanbwah) and was thoroughly confused as to what the hell was going on.



I still kind of am.

[Jonfon_ire]

Zejoph wrote...

I originally read "fanbois" as if it were a French word (fanbwah) and was thoroughly confused as to what the hell was going on.

I still kind of am.

It's a type of jam as far as I know. One known for being able to eat crows, French farmers leave pots of it out in their fields to protect their crops. The OP is obviously upset that the French farmers are using it as a trap for crows and not consuming it themselves, as intended.

What all of this has to do with Dragon Age I've no idea though 

[Hyunsai]

Is this thread about ****** fans of Brandon Lee too shocked by his death ?

[IAGTTBleed]

(I'm confused mummy...)

[Avispex]

No need for all the confusion. Since the game's release many, many people have written well thought out, balanced, and reasonable critiques of the game citing specific issues that they liked and those that seemed to be "unbalanced". Instead of being left in peace to have their say, they have been lionized, insulted, and ridiculed by the game's squad of "defenders" who claim that the game is exactly is the devs intended, "mages are supposed to be uber", "just put more points in willpower" etc. However, this same laundry list of fixes suggested by the game's players matches very closely with the issues the devs agreed needed to be addressed and fixed.  Hence the patch addressing mage powers, stamina regen, loot tables, etc.

It seems very clear that these players were right and all the "working as intended", "it's not an mmo so balance doesn't matter" people owe us an apology, or at least stop crapping threads in which people express differing opinions including the god forbid, request for a change or an explanation. The game needs no defenders but the forum needs far less brown nosing jerks.

Modifié par Avispex, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:20 .

[ANDY5151]

probly the nerf to magic cds

[Hyunsai]

I agree with all your points (mages are still uber after patch though, just a little less god-like), but you must know that brown nosing jerks don't apologize... Never.

Modifié par Hyunsai, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:27 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

marshalleck wrote...

GRRRRRRRRR

GRR-RRRRR!

[Avispex]

Well, if somebody came here just to say, "I hate thiks game. It sucks. I hate Bioware." Then first off, I think their posts should be ignored, and secondly, if somebody replied by saying, "I disageee because of ......" and thoughtfully articulated theit opinion, I have no problem with that whatsoever.

What I find discouraging is when people who have played the game and something about it bothers them, even when they explicitly state what they love about the game and thank the people who crafted it
are told that they need to "go somewhere else" after spending time and trying to write a clear and thoughtful explanation of their opinons and experiences. Even this thread's Slurp of Doozm, wrote a dismissive post explaining why anyone with any critique whatsoever should just go away. Then posted in this thread twice as if he has no idea what I'm talking about.

It just seems that the "devs" don't care about all that brown nosing as much as some thought. To think, all those hours every day defending the game "as is" gone to waste in just one little patch. Poof. Sweet irony.

Modifié par Avispex, 08 décembre 2009 - 02:35 .

[Wild Maiden]

Couldn't have said it better myself Avispex. The thread by Sloth of Doom you are referring to is a perfect example of the dismissive and negative attitude the fanboys have towards those of us who actually want to make the game better and take the time to explain our grievances. I'll never understand why people are so quick to defend, explain, and dismiss the mistakes of the developers. Mistakes happen, but they should be fixed... They can't be fixed if they aren't reported... It seems like common sense to me.



The first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem, or so they say. So many people here seem to be in denial still...

[Eurypterid]

Wild Maiden, I agree with much of what you and Avispex say, but there's also a fine line that is crossed at times. One has to be aware that saying something is broken or is overpowered doesn't necessarily make it so. This isn't aimed at you or anyone in particular, but I've seen posts that are blatantly just "I wish things were designed THIS way because that's how I like it" that have nothing to do with anything being broken, balanced, or over/under powered.



But yes, I've been shocked and disappointed at the community many times when I see the fans of the game flock to a thread that gives good criticism of the game and they start tossing around words like 'troll', 'hater', 'whiner', and saying things like 'L2P' or 'Waaaaaaahhhhhh'. Seriously, does anyone think things like that are going to build a good, fun community?

[Marvin TPA]

"a good, fun community?"

Just about ready to give up on it. Reading some of the pointless bile, and circular arguments that infect so many posts is just depressing.

[SheffSteel]

*munches on slice of toast spread with paté de fanbois*

This is nice.

[MerinTB]

Eurypterid wrote...

Wild Maiden, I agree with much of what you and Avispex say, but there's also a fine line that is crossed at times. One has to be aware that saying something is broken or is overpowered doesn't necessarily make it so. This isn't aimed at you or anyone in particular, but I've seen posts that are blatantly just "I wish things were designed THIS way because that's how I like it" that have nothing to do with anything being broken, balanced, or over/under powered.

But yes, I've been shocked and disappointed at the community many times when I see the fans of the game flock to a thread that gives good criticism of the game and they start tossing around words like 'troll', 'hater', 'whiner', and saying things like 'L2P' or 'Waaaaaaahhhhhh'. Seriously, does anyone think things like that are going to build a good, fun community?

Being an apologist for trolls is not very becoming, you know?

I do absolutely agree that many, many responses to people criticizing the game have been horrendous, immature, offensive - and regardless of the criticism, there really is no excuse for that.  So, in a sense, I agree with you and with some of what Wild Maiden and the OP said.

But -

and it's a J.Lo sized butt (man, I hate puns I make worse than puns in general) -

If people have legitimate complaints and wish honest discussions, many of them are going about it the wrong way.  And by that I mean that they are wording their criticisms, heck even the thread titles, in ways meant to bait or insult others.  This is JUST AS wrong as all the inexcusable responses they receive - but, not trying to sound like a grade-schooler, they started it.

If you walk into a convention hall full of Star Wars fans, get up to the mike for Q&A time, and then criticize Star Wars by calling the fans "fanboys" and "virgins living in their parent's basements" and so on, as wrong as the result will be, you will probably be AT LEAST verbally tore a new one if not physically assaulted.  It's not right that the response to you would be that, but, honestly, what did you expect?

Just look at the criticism threads and the hyperbolic titles : "Time to eat crow" ; "DAO: Deffinately not FTW" ;  "This is last Bioware game I ever buy" ; and the repeated efforts of worriedme03 to post his "Dragon Age Fail List"

Maybe you could could get past the hyperbolic titles into an honest discussion, but by the responses those threads receive it is fairly obvious their intention is to draw in a flame war and that they are highly effective.

On top of this, if people with honest problems, criticisms, and critiques do not want to receive negative, unproductive, idiotic responses it would help if their initial posts weren't full of attacks and insults:

"don't be so mindless and intolerant of people" ; "For those air heads" ; "you dirty money grabbers"

Also, when people give their opinions and state them as irrefutable facts it tends to incite people to not only disagree but point out how over-the-top such statements are.

Everytime someone tries to criticize the game but tosses in a "fanboi" comment, they are instigating.  They are egging on the responses that you, the mod, are decrying.

Let me be clear - I am not defending fans of the game immaturely and rudely attacking those who criticize the game.  I am just pointing out that, most of the time, those criticism are written in ways that are all but begging for a flame war.

There are many threads with honest reviews and critiques of the game that list opinions on parts the poster didn't like, or critiques of parts of the game that they don't feel are balanced or properly working, and any attacks on those reviews and critiques (the ones free form hyperbole and ad hominems) absolutely do not deserve attacks by people just blindly defending the game from any criticism.

I'm sorry, but everytime I see a moderator tell someone "I agree with much of what you say" to someone who just posted "the dismissive and negative attitude the fanboys" and "The first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem,
or so they say. So many people here seem to be in denial still..." or of the OP who about half of his post is "from now on don't be so mindless and intolerant of people" and "so stand down mabaris" - well, it will be read by those people as justification to keep dismissing people who disagree with them as "fanbois"

Mod, this thread's OP was not giving good criticism.  This thread's OP was an insult at a wide range of people, many of whom did not deserve it.  Fully half of Wild Maiden's response was negative and derogatory, not productive.  I applaud that you are critical of supporters of DAO being rude and unconscionable to those who have honest criticisms of the game, but I think you do the community as a whole a disservice by seemingly legitimizing the "take that, fanboi" cry.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Avispex wrote...

Read the patch notes and from now on don't be so mindless and intolerant of people using the forums to discuss what thehy would like to see changed.  Clearly the devs listen and agree, so stand down mabaris.

See,  this isn't a constructive post.  In fact, this thread has nothing to do with DA at all, really.   This thread appears to be a personal attack against anyone that disagrees with the OP at any tme.

If i were to start a thread that said  "Hey trolls, you are a bunch of idiots with nothing constructive to say so stop using the forums unless you want to have an actual conversation about the game.  Clearly you are full of yourselves so die in a fire"  would it stay unlocked for a day with multiple moderator posts?

[Lacan2]

ARRRGHHH YOU MAKE ME ANGRY



No, not really. Troll thread failure.