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[Jog0907]

Sisterofshane wrote...

justafan wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you truly believe that it is possible for two groups to fight a war, and one of those groups have a casualty rate of 99%, which is completely unheard of in the Mass Effect universe, except in the cases where the Krogan killed the Rachni, and, of course, the Reapers exterminated all previous galatic civilizations, then you have curious ideas about war. In no way, is it even necessary to kill 1/3 of a population to win any war at all.

If a person commits an evil action, but does not know that it is evil, it still does not change the fact that they committed an evil deed. 

...and if you truly believe it's impossible for a race to be so colossally incompetent at warfare to intentionally wage a battle that has a 100% casualty rate (but for the interference of one Commander Shepard), which you witness onscreen, yet still refuse to believe that very same race without the benefit of three centuries' education in naval warfare and the strategy and tactics of the enemy they're fighting, to wage a war with a 99% casualty rate (your own figure, which is still completely unsupported by available information and really constitutes a hasty generalization in the first place), you have some damned curious ideas about war and the race in question (the quarians) yourself.

Uh, you do know the Quarians win that battle if you don't betray them right?  As in, so long as they are not stabbed in the back by a supposed ally, their strategy has a 100% success rate?  They didn't drive the geth, the strongest military after the Turians, out of 4 systems because of dumb luck.

Actually, the only reason they are not completely wiped out is because of your interference with the Geth Dreadnought and the Reaper Signals.  The technology they developed becomes useless unless you sabotage the Geth.

they still have stealth ships, failing sheps interference they could send their own team to the ship so they're not as dependant on shep, the only variation is that they would probably destroy legion/gethVI if they found him

[TheGreenAlloy]

Sisterofshane wrote...

justafan wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you truly believe that it is possible for two groups to fight a war, and one of those groups have a casualty rate of 99%, which is completely unheard of in the Mass Effect universe, except in the cases where the Krogan killed the Rachni, and, of course, the Reapers exterminated all previous galatic civilizations, then you have curious ideas about war. In no way, is it even necessary to kill 1/3 of a population to win any war at all.

If a person commits an evil action, but does not know that it is evil, it still does not change the fact that they committed an evil deed. 

...and if you truly believe it's impossible for a race to be so colossally incompetent at warfare to intentionally wage a battle that has a 100% casualty rate (but for the interference of one Commander Shepard), which you witness onscreen, yet still refuse to believe that very same race without the benefit of three centuries' education in naval warfare and the strategy and tactics of the enemy they're fighting, to wage a war with a 99% casualty rate (your own figure, which is still completely unsupported by available information and really constitutes a hasty generalization in the first place), you have some damned curious ideas about war and the race in question (the quarians) yourself.

Uh, you do know the Quarians win that battle if you don't betray them right?  As in, so long as they are not stabbed in the back by a supposed ally, their strategy has a 100% success rate?  They didn't drive the geth, the strongest military after the Turians, out of 4 systems because of dumb luck.

Actually, the only reason they are not completely wiped out is because of your interference with the Geth Dreadnought and the Reaper Signals.  The technology they developed becomes useless unless you sabotage the Geth.

Exactly. Oh, and the Quarians shot down the Geth flagship when Legion shut it down as a sign of co-operation.

[justafan]

Sisterofshane wrote...

justafan wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you truly believe that it is possible for two groups to fight a war, and one of those groups have a casualty rate of 99%, which is completely unheard of in the Mass Effect universe, except in the cases where the Krogan killed the Rachni, and, of course, the Reapers exterminated all previous galatic civilizations, then you have curious ideas about war. In no way, is it even necessary to kill 1/3 of a population to win any war at all.

If a person commits an evil action, but does not know that it is evil, it still does not change the fact that they committed an evil deed. 

...and if you truly believe it's impossible for a race to be so colossally incompetent at warfare to intentionally wage a battle that has a 100% casualty rate (but for the interference of one Commander Shepard), which you witness onscreen, yet still refuse to believe that very same race without the benefit of three centuries' education in naval warfare and the strategy and tactics of the enemy they're fighting, to wage a war with a 99% casualty rate (your own figure, which is still completely unsupported by available information and really constitutes a hasty generalization in the first place), you have some damned curious ideas about war and the race in question (the quarians) yourself.

Uh, you do know the Quarians win that battle if you don't betray them right?  As in, so long as they are not stabbed in the back by a supposed ally, their strategy has a 100% success rate?  They didn't drive the geth, the strongest military after the Turians, out of 4 systems because of dumb luck.

Actually, the only reason they are not completely wiped out is because of your interference with the Geth Dreadnought and the Reaper Signals.  The technology they developed becomes useless unless you sabotage the Geth.

And that is only necessary because of Reaper interference in the first place.  1 v 1, Quarians win.

[Catamantaloedis]

[quote]Valentia X wrote...

[quote]Catamantaloedis wrote...


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They would have been no more advanced than the Native American tribes were. Sure, they had some basic Western contact, but they were not industrialized. They were not anywhere near as advanced.

[/quote]

Of course they weren't. That's not the point. Very few civilisations in the same time of development lost half of their population in that short span of time- good lord, even the Bubonic Plague only managed a third of Europe in the damn Dark Ages.

The point is, that through the carelessness and possible idiocy of a ruler, it is possible for a society to start wiping itself out. Context is generally historical, not time-sensitive. 

[/quote]
A small isolated primitive, preindustrial society, is one thing. An entire race? Very, very hard to believe. Not to mention the likelihood that in such a war, the government would very likely have been eradicated.

[Raiil]

Calinstel wrote...

Basically, the war in ME3 was solely caused by the geth.

Legion states that it knows the quarians want thier world back.
Legion states that the geth do not use said world.

Had the geth just left Rannoch and moved to another system, well off the beaten path, then they would have been left alone and the quarians could regain their world. Instead, the quarians had to fight for a planet the geth did not even need but refused to leave.

What? The Quarians came and blasted the Geth sphere and left them mentally disoriented. The Geth didn't fire a shot first.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Calinstel wrote...

Basically, the war in ME3 was solely caused by the geth.

Legion states that it knows the quarians want thier world back.
Legion states that the geth do not use said world.

Had the geth just left Rannoch and moved to another system, well off the beaten path, then they would have been left alone and the quarians could regain their world. Instead, the quarians had to fight for a planet the geth did not even need but refused to leave.

Not sure if serious...

you do know you have to convince the Quarians to be peaceful, and then they live with the Geth on Rannoch?

[Averdi]

The quarians attempted genocide of the geth.

Both sides most likely used WMDs.

The quarians:
Largely relied on the geth for agriculture production, without them a lot of quarians probably starved.
Have a demonstrated history of fanaticism where the geth are concerned; I can well believe they fought beyond the point of rationality.
Have few qualms about integrating military and civilian infrastructure (see civilian fleet use in recent war), likely increasing civilian casualties.
Appeared to have a gender-neutral military during the Morning War, with a predictable drop in birthrates.

It'd be too far to call the geth the good guys, but given the situation they faced while in their infancy as a sentient race, they remain the moral superiors of the quarian/geth opera. By contrast, the salarians, asari, and turians are far more culpable for their attempted extermination (via the krogan) of the rachni.

[General User]

[quote]humes spork wrote...
You wanna bring just war theory into this? Okay![/quote]I want to bring basic Western moral standards into this.  That said though, you got alot right, but you made some critical errors.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Quarians were the aggressors. [/quote]The "quarian side", I think you mean.  If so, you are correct.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
They initiated the war because they feared geth would revolt and out of fear of Citadel Council sanctions. [/quote]Correct.  There were many other factors in their thinking, but that was indeed a big one.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
They had no reason to believe geth would prove hostile, nor proof the geth had been hostile. There were no damages incurred against the quarians by the get.[/quote]You're half right.  The quarians were threatened with a severe damage, ie the potential of losing their labor force.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
War was their first recourse. [/quote]No. Genocide was their first recourse.  The war only happend when the genocide attempt failed.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Their probability of success was exceedingly low. [/quote]But they didn't know that.  And by the time they found out, it was too late.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
There was no anticipated benefit of waging war with the geth.[/quote]Yes there was.  You said it yourself: to avoid incuring the Council's wrath.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
The quarians made no distinction between geth combatants and noncombatants. Moreover, there was no attempt to take prisoners, provide due process, nor fair treatment. Lastly, there was no distinction between quarian sympathizer combatants and noncombatants -- if indeed there were geth-sympathetic combatants. There was no exposited attempt to take quarian prisoners or provide fair treatment. Military actions were conducted with no sense of proportionality or necessity. Assuming quarians engaged in electronic warfare, that would constitute malum in se against artificial intelligences.

Quarians did not wage their war in accordance with just in bello.[/quote]That's all true.  Irrelevent to either my point and the the larger issue... but still true.  You see, it doesn't matter how all around awful the quarian side in general may have conducted itself, it still doesn't justify the wholesale extermination of billions of people.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Jus post bellum
There was no formal termination of the war. [/quote]And, as I'm sure you know, the primary onus for imposing terms and thus terminating a war falls on the winning side.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Quarians, as the aggressor, made no exposited attempts to ensure fair treatment and the welfare of their own citizens who may have been left behind or captured. [/quote]This is utter nonsense.  The quarians, as the defeated side, did not have the ability to do so whether they wanted to or not.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Quarians, as the aggressor, made no attempt at truth and reconciliation or rehabilitation.[/quote]When you have a conflict where oneside still believes the war is ongoing and the other burns to ashes any olive branch that anyone sends their way, "reconciliation or rehabilitation" just ain't gonna happen.  Suffice to say: it takes two to tango. 

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Meanwhile, the geth due to their (at the time) limited comprehension of mortality and morality, and for their extremely limited processing power, cannot be reasonably held culpable for events occurring after termination of the war. Culpability requires competency and intent, in neither case the geth at the time of cessation of hostilities qualify.[/quote]Culpability is one thing.  My point was rather that, all during and after the "Morning War", the geth were in a situation where they had a number of obligations that they failed to meet.  Their limited, child-like nature may make those failures understandable, even forgivable, but it does not change what the geth are nor the threat they pose to those around them.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
Summation
The quarians did not start war justfully. [/quote]Correct.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
They did not wage war justfully. [/quote]Correct.  Can also be said of the geth.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
They did not end war justfully. [/quote]Correct(ish).  A big part of the problem was that, for the quarians, the war didn't really end at all until Shepard took a hand on Rannoch.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
They were competent and had intent. [/quote]Correct.

[quote]humes spork wrote...
They are, unilaterally and in every case, the culpable party for the execution and resolution of the war to the near-extinction of their own people.[/quote]Again, it's only culpability is a sense, and quarians who were simply not involved in the War have zero culpability in any sense.

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[Raiil]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...



They would have been no more advanced than the Native American tribes were. Sure, they had some basic Western contact, but they were not industrialized. They were not anywhere near as advanced.

Of course they weren't. That's not the point. Very few civilisations in the same time of development lost half of their population in that short span of time- good lord, even the Bubonic Plague only managed a third of Europe in the damn Dark Ages.

The point is, that through the carelessness and possible idiocy of a ruler, it is possible for a society to start wiping itself out. Context is generally historical, not time-sensitive. 

A small isolated primitive, preindustrial society, is one thing. An entire race? Very, very hard to believe. Not to mention the likelihood that in such a war, the government would very likely have been eradicated.

lol fixed the quote error.

Again, the society was not entirely isolated, and had before and afterwards contact with other socities- in fact, Ranavalona was aggressively expanding. They weren't Inuits meeting the Aztecs for the first time. There was trading and expansion.

Secondly, if there's anything history will teach us, it's that our fearless leaders and rulers will do anything to save their own arses while things go up in flames around them. They enforced martial law, as has already been noted, and I'm guessing they were in control of the vast percentage of weaponry across Rannoch. How would your average civie fight back? The leaders were holding all the aces.

[TheGreenAlloy]

justafan wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

justafan wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you truly believe that it is possible for two groups to fight a war, and one of those groups have a casualty rate of 99%, which is completely unheard of in the Mass Effect universe, except in the cases where the Krogan killed the Rachni, and, of course, the Reapers exterminated all previous galatic civilizations, then you have curious ideas about war. In no way, is it even necessary to kill 1/3 of a population to win any war at all.

If a person commits an evil action, but does not know that it is evil, it still does not change the fact that they committed an evil deed. 

...and if you truly believe it's impossible for a race to be so colossally incompetent at warfare to intentionally wage a battle that has a 100% casualty rate (but for the interference of one Commander Shepard), which you witness onscreen, yet still refuse to believe that very same race without the benefit of three centuries' education in naval warfare and the strategy and tactics of the enemy they're fighting, to wage a war with a 99% casualty rate (your own figure, which is still completely unsupported by available information and really constitutes a hasty generalization in the first place), you have some damned curious ideas about war and the race in question (the quarians) yourself.

Uh, you do know the Quarians win that battle if you don't betray them right?  As in, so long as they are not stabbed in the back by a supposed ally, their strategy has a 100% success rate?  They didn't drive the geth, the strongest military after the Turians, out of 4 systems because of dumb luck.

Actually, the only reason they are not completely wiped out is because of your interference with the Geth Dreadnought and the Reaper Signals.  The technology they developed becomes useless unless you sabotage the Geth.

And that is only necessary because of Reaper interference in the first place.  1 v 1, Quarians win.

YAY! The quarians wipe out one of Shep's strongest allies with their tech-tricks while the Reapers are knocking on the door.

Alternatively, you could let Han'Gerrel throw his species at the Geth and die.

[Jog0907]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Basically, the war in ME3 was solely caused by the geth.

Legion states that it knows the quarians want thier world back.
Legion states that the geth do not use said world.

Had the geth just left Rannoch and moved to another system, well off the beaten path, then they would have been left alone and the quarians could regain their world. Instead, the quarians had to fight for a planet the geth did not even need but refused to leave.

Not sure if serious...

you do know you have to convince the Quarians to be peaceful, and then they live with the Geth on Rannoch?

the geth were working with the reapers its hard for a species to not continually defend combat in such case, even zaal'koris the ultimate geth peace supporter defends continuing the war since the geth are helping the reapers

[justafan]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Horrible comparison. The geth let the quarians flee and leave the planet. The quarians feared the very being of the Geth; their AI, and answered with attempted genocide. Geth programs for study (i.e. gain for the quarians) is not equaivelent to letting the species who tried to kill you run off into space. 

My point was that people are saying that because more than 0% of the Quarians survived, it is not genocide.  The fact is, attempted genocide is not negated by the survival of a few individuals.  Did the Quarians attempt genocide? you bet.  Did they know it at first? Nope.  Did the geth attempt genocide?  You bet.  Did they know what they were doing? Nope.

[Jog0907]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

justafan wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

justafan wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you truly believe that it is possible for two groups to fight a war, and one of those groups have a casualty rate of 99%, which is completely unheard of in the Mass Effect universe, except in the cases where the Krogan killed the Rachni, and, of course, the Reapers exterminated all previous galatic civilizations, then you have curious ideas about war. In no way, is it even necessary to kill 1/3 of a population to win any war at all.

If a person commits an evil action, but does not know that it is evil, it still does not change the fact that they committed an evil deed. 

...and if you truly believe it's impossible for a race to be so colossally incompetent at warfare to intentionally wage a battle that has a 100% casualty rate (but for the interference of one Commander Shepard), which you witness onscreen, yet still refuse to believe that very same race without the benefit of three centuries' education in naval warfare and the strategy and tactics of the enemy they're fighting, to wage a war with a 99% casualty rate (your own figure, which is still completely unsupported by available information and really constitutes a hasty generalization in the first place), you have some damned curious ideas about war and the race in question (the quarians) yourself.

Uh, you do know the Quarians win that battle if you don't betray them right?  As in, so long as they are not stabbed in the back by a supposed ally, their strategy has a 100% success rate?  They didn't drive the geth, the strongest military after the Turians, out of 4 systems because of dumb luck.

Actually, the only reason they are not completely wiped out is because of your interference with the Geth Dreadnought and the Reaper Signals.  The technology they developed becomes useless unless you sabotage the Geth.

And that is only necessary because of Reaper interference in the first place.  1 v 1, Quarians win.

YAY! The quarians wipe out one of Shep's strongest allies with their tech-tricks while the Reapers are knocking on the door.

Alternatively, you could let Han'Gerrel throw his species at the Geth and die.

just saying given how th geth allied with the reapers when things got hard that I really wouldnt want them as allies

[humes spork]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

There's a huge difference between the Migrant Fleet, which contains all of the remaining Quarians, believing that it still has the upper hand in the war and thus refusing to be believe the Commander being killed by Reaper Plot Magic, and the entire prewar Quarian population some 300 years ago, which consisted of Billions of Quarians being wiped out. They are not all gathered together. It is not 1 huge battle resulting in their extinction. It took years for them to be reduced to mere millions.

Appeal to emotion aside, there are three hundred years' worth of hindsight and education between the end of the Geth War and the quarian invasion of Rannoch. Which, by the way, was hinged upon the introduction of one cyber-warfare weapon that was not guaranteed to provide a long-term tactical advantage given geth adaptability.

There's also a difference between a defensive action and an offensive action. The quarians committed to an offensive action, and placed their own civilians -- and the survival of their entire race vis-a-vis liveships -- on the forefront of that offensive action. They were in a position to be exterminated in battle at Rannoch, because they (rather stupidly) committed their very means of survival as a species to battle in the first place. That wasn't the decision of a civilian body or random quarians who know nothing about warfare, that was the decision of the quarians' best and brightest military minds and career strategists.

Alfred Thayer Mahan they are certainly not.

If that decision alone doesn't speak sufficiently to the utter incompetence of quarians as strategists to convince you that perhaps the quarians might have actually fought themselves (well after they lost the capability to actually wage war) to near-extinction on Rannoch, then I don't know what will.

[justafan]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

justafan wrote...

And that is only necessary because of Reaper interference in the first place.  1 v 1, Quarians win.

YAY! The quarians wipe out one of Shep's strongest allies with their tech-tricks while the Reapers are knocking on the door.

Alternatively, you could let Han'Gerrel throw his species at the Geth and die.

Yep, and had only the Orthodox geth sent so much as an E-Mail to a government outside the Perseus Veil, all this could have been avoided.

[Toxic Waste]

Ten pages of replies I didn't read through. So if it was already said then opps.

My guess is that the Quarians didn't leave right away. In ME 2 and 3 we see that the Quarians will fight a loosing war. Odds are against them and they are out numbered, but they still want to fight the Geth. I think the Quarians were willing to fight to the last man (quarian) and it almost came to that until someone in the group said "Maybe you havn't been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked." and they bugged out. The Geth knew the Quarians were no longer a threat so they just let them go....

[TheGreenAlloy]

Jog0907 wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Basically, the war in ME3 was solely caused by the geth.

Legion states that it knows the quarians want thier world back.
Legion states that the geth do not use said world.

Had the geth just left Rannoch and moved to another system, well off the beaten path, then they would have been left alone and the quarians could regain their world. Instead, the quarians had to fight for a planet the geth did not even need but refused to leave.

Not sure if serious...

you do know you have to convince the Quarians to be peaceful, and then they live with the Geth on Rannoch?

the geth were working with the reapers its hard for a species to not continually defend combat in such case, even zaal'koris the ultimate geth peace supporter defends continuing the war since the geth are helping the reapers

Yeah, buddy, the Geth are working with the Reapers because the Quarians destroyed their gorram superstructure. With galactic society at stake. 

ADmiral Xen and her "experiments" secured Quarian superiority over the Geth. WHich made the Geth accept the Reapers' offer. 

[TheGreenAlloy]

justafan wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

justafan wrote...

And that is only necessary because of Reaper interference in the first place.  1 v 1, Quarians win.

YAY! The quarians wipe out one of Shep's strongest allies with their tech-tricks while the Reapers are knocking on the door.

Alternatively, you could let Han'Gerrel throw his species at the Geth and die.

Yep, and had only the Orthodox geth sent so much as an E-Mail to a government outside the Perseus Veil, all this could have been avoided.

Your paragon Shep can stand in front of the gorram conclave or whatever they call it and speak to the Admirals with Legion by your side, and they still won't listen.

[humes spork]

Jog0907 wrote...

they still have stealth ships, failing sheps interference they could send their own team to the ship so they're not as dependant on shep, the only variation is that they would probably destroy legion/gethVI if they found him

Legion wouldn't have disabled the geth dreadnought as a sign of good faith, the Reaper signal still would have been broadcast from Rannoch, and the quarians would still have died.

Moreover, the geth started that war? Seriously? The quarians opened fire on the geth's dyson sphere and blew it to hell as their first move, which made the geth stupid enough to go to the Reapers for help in the first place.

For all we know, if the quarians hadn't gone Leeroy Jenkins on the geth, they would have welcomed them on the spot and invited them to reoccupy Rannoch with their help. The geth, as Legion repeatedly states, want the quarians to come back to Rannoch.

Modifié par humes spork, 02 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

Toxic Waste wrote...

Ten pages of replies I didn't read through. So if it was already said then opps.

My guess is that the Quarians didn't leave right away. In ME 2 and 3 we see that the Quarians will fight a loosing war. Odds are against them and they are out numbered, but they still want to fight the Geth. I think the Quarians were willing to fight to the last man (quarian) and it almost came to that until someone in the group said "Maybe you havn't been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked." and they bugged out. The Geth knew the Quarians were no longer a threat so they just let them go....

OP is convinced that Quarians don't think like that, even though... 
  they clearly do.

[Catamantaloedis]

humes spork wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

There's a huge difference between the Migrant Fleet, which contains all of the remaining Quarians, believing that it still has the upper hand in the war and thus refusing to be believe the Commander being killed by Reaper Plot Magic, and the entire prewar Quarian population some 300 years ago, which consisted of Billions of Quarians being wiped out. They are not all gathered together. It is not 1 huge battle resulting in their extinction. It took years for them to be reduced to mere millions.

Appeal to emotion aside, there are three hundred years' worth of hindsight and education between the end of the Geth War and the quarian invasion of Rannoch. Which, by the way, was hinged upon the introduction of one cyber-warfare weapon that was not guaranteed to provide a long-term tactical advantage given geth adaptability.

There's also a difference between a defensive action and an offensive action. The quarians committed to an offensive action, and placed their own civilians -- and the survival of their entire race vis-a-vis liveships -- on the forefront of that offensive action. They were in a position to be exterminated in battle at Rannoch, because they (rather stupidly) committed their very means of survival as a species to battle in the first place. That wasn't the decision of a civilian body or random quarians who know nothing about warfare, that was the decision of the quarians' best and brightest military minds and career strategists.

Alfred Thayer Mahan they are certainly not.

If that decision alone doesn't speak sufficiently to the utter incompetence of quarians as strategists to convince you that perhaps the quarians might have actually fought themselves (well after they lost the capability to actually wage war) to near-extinction on Rannoch, then I don't know what will.

I'm not saying that the Quarians were not stupid in the second war, but its simply not comparable to the first. People would have fled en masse at the very outset of war. And there would be hardly anything left to stop them. It is unreasonable to believe that the Quarians are the only ones who ever attack an somehow, after every failed attack they simply keep attacking, such that they literally have no one left to attack with, even while they lose every battle,every colony, and every city. A population is not reduced to nothing without them being systematically destroyed. The only other examples of it happening within that very universe, are the Krogan killing the Rachni, previous synthetics wiping out previous organics, and the Reapers destroying all previous civilizations. 
Those numbers 99% are quite simply apocalyptic, and genocidal.


Well I'm done for the night. Probably be back tomorrow.

[mirage2154]

It was not war we talk about, It's genoci of entire spicies. It was eathier geth or quarian. If some spicies attacks earth anf trying to genocide entire human race would you spare them? would you spare reaper if you have a chance? Same goes for geth, how could OP be so blind to overlook geth as a intelligence race. The mercy that geth showed to quarian when they could simply wipe everything and eliminate threate the entire geth race is astonishing at least. Thats why mission on ronna and tuchanka was such an epic experience. I wish I could say the same to whole game!

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