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[CrutchCricket]

Leones Maneres wrote...

Kelly Chambers getting whacked by Cerberus after the Tuchunka missions. You only hear about it IF you happen to walk through the back areas of the refugee camps on the Citadel, slowly.

You can prevent it. If you talk to her and tell her to change her name.

Seems rather stupid though. Even gets lampshaded. "If Cerberus points a gun at you and asks if you're somebody, the answer is 'no'".

Don't know why she didn't figure that out on her own.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 mai 2012 - 05:26 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Emily Wong had the worst treatment. Killed off via twitter, not even allowed to die in the actual game.

[Han Shot First]

Leones Maneres wrote...

Kelly Chambers getting whacked by Cerberus after the Tuchunka missions. You only hear about it IF you happen to walk through the back areas of the refugee camps on the Citadel, slowly.

Her whispers show up in Shepard's dreams too. She says something like, "Call me Kelly. Everyone does."

[LanceSolous13]

franciscoamell wrote...

Brosome wrote...

Morinth? Oh, you mean the psychotic mass murdurer back in Mass Effect 2? I let Samara punch her face in. She deserved it.

I heard something about Morinth being turned into a banshee. That's priceless.

It's called Video Game Cruelty Punishment, people. Get used to it.

Why give the option of being a renegade, if all the decent outcomes go to paragons? That makes no sense.

Actually, Mass Effect rewards those who stay Renegade or Paragon.

Paragon: Save Wrex -> Save Kirahee -> Save Malon's Data -> Cure Genophage -> Gain Krogan support and Kirahee basically tells the Salarien Counciler to go screw herself and gives you full support anyways.
Renegade: -> Killed Wrex on Virmire -> Sabataged Genophage Cure -> Full Salarien and Krogan Support.

I think the Morinth thing in ME2 was meant to be nothing more than an Easter Egg. Plus, as in real life, not every choice will have benefits in the long run.

[yourmotha]

 Probabely not as screwed up but if you didn't do the Grissom Academy missions Jack would turn into one of Cerberus' phantoms, OH HELLS NO! 

[Fuzzfro]

Kelly Chambers and Kal Reegar.

[gisle]

To be fair, Morinth is the most potent banshee candidate there is, as Samara's three daughters were the only ones with the full Ardat-Yakshi condition, and morinth had embraced it's potential, though I wonder why she didn't fight back as she's as strong as an asari biotic almost twice her age -- Samara.

yourmotha wrote...

 Probabely not as screwed up but if you didn't do the Grissom Academy missions Jack would turn into one of Cerberus' phantoms, OH HELLS NO! 

I found out about that and the three mission time limit the hard way...

[Beep Il]

How can anyone compare Morinth with Wong and Kal? Morinth was a squadmate while the other two were very minor side characters.
Every other squadmember got at least a decent cameo in ME3 except Morinth. Currently there's no reason to kill Samara in her loyalty mission since Morinth won't show up in ME3 anyway (renamed Banshee isn't the same thing), unless someone wants to read her emails or something.
In my opinion, Morinth got the worst treatment of across all characters.

[Terrorize69]

Skullheart wrote...

Kal'Reegar and Emily Wong, both of them killed by text.

[gisle]

Skullheart wrote...

Kal'Reegar and Emily Wong, both of them killed by text.

I don't think copy-pasting a game object, renaming it and have it spawn if a plot flag is checked is any more of an effort than writing an in-game email or tweet.

[S.A.K]

Out of the would be squad mates Morinth definitely got the worst treatment. But hey, someone got to draw the short stick. Out of all characters, Reegar and Emily deserve better than what they got. Both of them had good potential. I wouldn't mind if Emily stayed on the Normandy rather than you know who.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Morinth had so much potential. I was really looking forward to finding out more about her. In ME2 I couldn't decide if she was genuinely lonely or if she was just manipulating Shepard. In 400 years Shepard was probably the only real friend Morinth had, that friendship shouldn't have ended with a cain.

I know not many people saved Morinth, I get that it isn't cost effective to put her in the game if only a small % of people will see her. But I'm sure they could get around that. Get the VA to do some additional voices while she's there. Morinth looks exactly the same as Samara anyway (apart from the clothes) so I can't imagine it'd take much effort to put her into the same part of the game Samara was in. Also if they wanted more people to see the content Morinth could have been alive for new players that chose the numerous deaths option at the start. Just seems lazy to me. I thought choice was supposed to matter in Mass Effect, but its just an illusion, nothing you do really makes a difference.

[CHALET]

Shiala, Emily Wong (though doesn't she appear in a few of the EC slides?), Ka'reeger.

Kelly gets the worst of the romance treatment (inb4 Save Thane people tear me to piecies).

Oh and there's Gianna Parasini who didn't even appear at all, though I suspect that came from the ditched Dark Energy plot.

Modifié par CHALET, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[Pinkflu]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Morinth had so much potential. I was really looking forward to finding out more about her. In ME2 I couldn't decide if she was genuinely lonely or if she was just manipulating Shepard. In 400 years Shepard was probably the only real friend Morinth had, that friendship shouldn't have ended with a cain.

I know not many people saved Morinth, I get that it isn't cost effective to put her in the game if only a small % of people will see her. But I'm sure they could get around that. Get the VA to do some additional voices while she's there. Morinth looks exactly the same as Samara anyway (apart from the clothes) so I can't imagine it'd take much effort to put her into the same part of the game Samara was in. Also if they wanted more people to see the content Morinth could have been alive for new players that chose the numerous deaths option at the start. Just seems lazy to me. I thought choice was supposed to matter in Mass Effect, but its just an illusion, nothing you do really makes a difference.

This. Morinth was such a wasted opportunity.

[HellbirdIV]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Morinth had so much potential. I was really looking forward to finding out more about her.

There's not much to know. She's a mass-murdering psychopath who revels in the suffering of others and is incapable of thinking of other people as "human" beings. She's not a deep or complex character, she's the villain of a cruddy "Erotic thriller" from the 80's or early 90's, existing solely for the purposes of sex and murder.

[Roamingmachine]

The potential for Morinth can be clearly seen in AY monastery, with the intercepted emails you find around the place that give her a lot more depth.I think BW did a bit of budget cutting on that and just put in the more popular (though in my opinion just as insane) Samara.

[Roamingmachine]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Morinth had so much potential. I was really looking forward to finding out more about her.

There's not much to know. She's a mass-murdering psychopath who revels in the suffering of others and is incapable of thinking of other people as "human" beings. She's not a deep or complex character, she's the villain of a cruddy "Erotic thriller" from the 80's or early 90's, existing solely for the purposes of sex and murder.

Her emails to her sisters found in the monastery proves otherwise.

[Jotunsquid]

I never actually contemplated recruiting her. Simply because there was absolutely no moral ambiguity. She is a serial killer, period. No misunterstood anti-heroine desperately struggling against a hostile society or whatever. She. Is. A. Damn. SERIAL. KILLER. There is nothing remotely likable or "human" about her. She kills to satisfy her cravings and she does so in a most pretentious and decadent way. She is no Dexter analogue.

Whoever finds such a character alluring should seek therapy. Urgently.

Even for the most diehard Renegade Sheps, having her killed should be a no-brainer. So, her treatment by BW may have been lazy, mistreatment it was not.

Modifié par Jotunsquid, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .

[HellbirdIV]

Roamingmachine wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Morinth had so much potential. I was really looking forward to finding out more about her.

There's not much to know. She's a mass-murdering psychopath who revels in the suffering of others and is incapable of thinking of other people as "human" beings. She's not a deep or complex character, she's the villain of a cruddy "Erotic thriller" from the 80's or early 90's, existing solely for the purposes of sex and murder.

Her emails to her sisters found in the monastery proves otherwise.

You mean the letters where she lies to her sisters about what happened to Samara? Where she tries to convince them to become like her, and tell them that she's NOT a murdering psychopath and that being "free" is totally a good thing for an Ardat-Yakshi?

What point does that prove, exactly?

[Han Shot First]

Jotunsquid wrote...

I never actually contemplated recruiting her. Simply because there was absolutely no moral ambiguity. She is a serial killer, period. No misunterstood anti-heroine desperately struggling against a hostile society or whatever. She. Is. A. Damn. SERIAL. KILLER. There is nothing remotely likable or "human" about her. She kills to satisfy her cravings and she does so in a most pretentious and decadent way. She is no Dexter analogue.

This.

Morinth is a monster and kind of deserves to end up as a Banshee. It is a fitting end for her. She got off easy in my playthrough, with Samara giving her a quick death.

[Roamingmachine]

Jotunsquid wrote...

I never actually contemplated recruiting her. Simply because there was absolutely no moral ambiguity. She is a serial killer, period. No misunterstood anti-heroine desperately struggling against a hostile society or whatever. She. Is. A. Damn. SERIAL. KILLER. There is nothing remotely likable or "human" about her. She kills to satisfy her cravings and she does so in a most pretentious and decadent way. She is no Dexter analogue.

Whoever finds such a character alluring should seek therapy. Urgently.

Even for the most diehard Renegade Sheps, having her killed should be a no-brainer. So, her treatment by BW may have been lazy, mistreatment it was not.

*sigh* The objective was to get the best team possible to do the job, not to start a club for the lawful-stupid of the galaxy...Or are you saying that Jack wasn't a total psychopath who didn't kill at the slightest whim when you met her?

[Roamingmachine]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Roamingmachine wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Morinth had so much potential. I was really looking forward to finding out more about her.

There's not much to know. She's a mass-murdering psychopath who revels in the suffering of others and is incapable of thinking of other people as "human" beings. She's not a deep or complex character, she's the villain of a cruddy "Erotic thriller" from the 80's or early 90's, existing solely for the purposes of sex and murder.

Her emails to her sisters found in the monastery proves otherwise.

You mean the letters where she lies to her sisters about what happened to Samara? Where she tries to convince them to become like her, and tell them that she's NOT a murdering psychopath and that being "free" is totally a good thing for an Ardat-Yakshi?

What point does that prove, exactly?

"So yeah sis.I totally offed mom, which you adored. So lets go have a party, yes?" 
She hated Samara but chose to give give her a hero's death, fictional though it was, to appease her sisters.You don't do that unless you kinda care about what that other person thinks of you.Its only natural that she tries to convince her sisters to join her, she likes them and THINKS her life is great.You do want the best for the people you care about, don't you?

[Han Shot First]

Roamingmachine wrote...

Jotunsquid wrote...

I never actually contemplated recruiting her. Simply because there was absolutely no moral ambiguity. She is a serial killer, period. No misunterstood anti-heroine desperately struggling against a hostile society or whatever. She. Is. A. Damn. SERIAL. KILLER. There is nothing remotely likable or "human" about her. She kills to satisfy her cravings and she does so in a most pretentious and decadent way. She is no Dexter analogue.

Whoever finds such a character alluring should seek therapy. Urgently.

Even for the most diehard Renegade Sheps, having her killed should be a no-brainer. So, her treatment by BW may have been lazy, mistreatment it was not.

*sigh* The objective was to get the best team possible to do the job, not to start a club for the lawful-stupid of the galaxy...Or are you saying that Jack wasn't a total psychopath who didn't kill at the slightest whim when you met her?

But there isn't even a pragmatic argument for recruiting Morinth. Samara is arguably as strong as, or stronger than Morinth. Samara can also be a team player, unlike the serial killer who is fantasizing about murdering you the entire time if you recruit her.

In recruiting Morinth you have to help her kill a character that is at least as strong as or stronger than the character you are recruiting, and you have to be willing to trade a sane character for one who is mentally ill. The mentally ill would not be of more use on the mission than the sane.

[Roamingmachine]

Han Shot First wrote...

Roamingmachine wrote...

Jotunsquid wrote...

I never actually contemplated recruiting her. Simply because there was absolutely no moral ambiguity. She is a serial killer, period. No misunterstood anti-heroine desperately struggling against a hostile society or whatever. She. Is. A. Damn. SERIAL. KILLER. There is nothing remotely likable or "human" about her. She kills to satisfy her cravings and she does so in a most pretentious and decadent way. She is no Dexter analogue.

Whoever finds such a character alluring should seek therapy. Urgently.

Even for the most diehard Renegade Sheps, having her killed should be a no-brainer. So, her treatment by BW may have been lazy, mistreatment it was not.

*sigh* The objective was to get the best team possible to do the job, not to start a club for the lawful-stupid of the galaxy...Or are you saying that Jack wasn't a total psychopath who didn't kill at the slightest whim when you met her?

But there isn't even a pragmatic argument for recruiting Morinth. Samara is arguably as strong as, or stronger than Morinth. Samara can also be a team player, unlike the serial killer who is fantasizing about murdering you the entire time if you recruit her.

In recruiting Morinth you have to help her kill a character that is at least as strong as or stronger than the character you are recruiting, and you have to be willing to trade a sane character for one who is mentally ill. The mentally ill would not be of more use on the mission than the sane.

Well, Samara did threaten to come after me after the collectors were taken care of so that kinda helped my decision