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[Jotunsquid]

You actually do not get it, right?

Jack actually has redeeming qualities. Her lifestyle was forced unto her by Cerberus, objectively.
I don't know about you but the "most effective team" for me does not include psychopaths who could turn on any team member on a whim. Morinth would have been a huge uncertainty factor.

If you say that a psychopath would actually *add* to a team's qualites, you do not understand the nature of psychopaths.That has nothing whatsoever to do with being a Renegade.
It is also telling that you would actually recruit one ingame. Interestingly calibrated moral compass, I must admit.

Not recruiting her isn't "lawful-stupid". I always played Paragades. Being a goody two-shoes is actually boring as hell.

[HellbirdIV]

Roamingmachine wrote...
are you saying that Jack wasn't a total psychopath who didn't kill at the slightest whim when you met her?

Actually Jack proves early on that she isn't like Morinth. She's not even a psychopath, not really, because she is aware other people have feelings, understands things like empathy and sympathy, she can care about people, she just chooses to be distant to prevent herself getting hurt. It's a result of trauma and a real thing that happens, except most women who suffer in such a way don't have magical gravity powers to fight back with.

I personally HATED Jack in ME2, but I can see the transition from ME2 Jack to ME3 Jack, where she is responsible, protective of the kids because she doesn't want them to be like her - the complete opposite of Morinth who wants her sisters to be like her. Jack was miserable in her life as a criminal and a killer - taking momentary pleasure out of dominating and destroying others to break past her own tortured soul, whereas Morinth is the galaxy's merriest little psychopath.

[Mechler]

Kasumi:
- She only got a minor sidequest
-She was 90% invisible during said sidequest
- She was antagonisitc towards Shepard for no reason at all.
- She still hasn't moved on from the dead Keiji and the boring jacob who married someone else

[Roamingmachine]

As i recall, after Jack broke out of cerberus "care" her life became her own.She chose the way she lived.And if you want to talk about uncertainty factors: Hey, lets take the complete nutjob uber-biotic who hates cerberus on board a cerberus ship.Because absolutely nothing can go wrong with that plan.
You use psychopaths like you use missiles: give them a target and let them loose.And be prepared to shoot them down if they get "confused" about their targets.

[Zoo Keeper Zeke]

I just finished up a dormant ME2 playthrough a few days (my one femshep, and Renegade) and one thing I did I would never do normally is side with Morinth. I think it works only purely for curiosity sake as even the scripting--appropriate to the situation-- has Renegade Shep seem not quite sure why she did it.

Morinth certainly does have a great voice, and a nice bonus is I didn't even know about Dominate, will use that on my next ME2 playthrough. But for ME3, I can understand why if any former squadmate were to be so minimized, Morinth had to be it.

[Fauxnormal]

Morinth was a monster. Period.  Or do you not remember that poor little girl on Omega? She gets no sympathy from me, and anyone who defends her is, frankly, an idiot. There is absolutly no good reason to allow Morinth to live.

Modifié par Fauxnormal, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:50 .

[Mr.House]

Emily Wong. While what happen to Kal sucked, at least the text is in-game. Wong was killed on twitter and her death was never mentinoed in the game.

[Zjarcal]

Meh, Emily Wong's twitter feed was epic, I don't care it wasn't in game.

Morinth on the other hand, haha.

[Han Shot First]

Zjarcal wrote...

Meh, Emily Wong's twitter feed was epic, I don't care it wasn't in game.

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I do agree with the bolded bit, Emily Wong went out like a boss. That being said, I do think it should have also been mentioned in the game. A lot of people probably missed that Twitter feed. I would have, had it not been reposted on the BSN.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:01 .

[Terrorize69]

Mechler wrote...

Kasumi:
- She only got a minor sidequest
-She was 90% invisible during said sidequest
- She was antagonisitc towards Shepard for no reason at all.
- She still hasn't moved on from the dead Keiji and the boring jacob who married someone else

Don't forget she magically gets the greybox back to stare at or a holo-lover, even if it was destroyed..

As far as squadies, Kasumi, Zaeed and Morinth all got very bad treatment. But least Morinth gets a decent exit in ME2 if you don't pick her.

Kasumi and Zaeed were very much wasted. A Master Thief/Infiltrator/Hacker, and the Blue Suns founder. They could of had so much potential.

[DirtySHISN0]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Mechler wrote...

Kasumi:
- She only got a minor sidequest
-She was 90% invisible during said sidequest
- She was antagonisitc towards Shepard for no reason at all.
- She still hasn't moved on from the dead Keiji and the boring jacob who married someone else

Don't forget she magically gets the greybox back to stare at or a holo-lover, even if it was destroyed..

As far as squadies, Kasumi, Zaeed and Morinth all got very bad treatment. But least Morinth gets a decent exit in ME2 if you don't pick her.

Kasumi and Zaeed were very much wasted. A Master Thief/Infiltrator/Hacker, and the Blue Suns founder. They could of had so much potential.

They're DLC characters so their appearance in game is a direct result of their DLC downloads/sales.

It would make sense to have small  free dlcs that can be used if you had met the requirements from ME2.
For example say you have Kasumi's DLC for ME2, upon release there should have been a small download that allows her to be in your ME3.

This way;
- Disc space isn't wasted for those who never bought that DLC.
- The characters appearance can be as long or short as neccessary.
- Doesnt sacrifice space and time instead of showing characters that by all rights should have had a meaningful role.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Being a sociopath and being interesting aren't mutually exclusive. Angelina Jolie's character in girl, interrupted is incredibly compelling. Someone mentioned that Morinth isn't like Dexter, I agree she isn't as we see her but under different circumstances she could be. Morinth is addicted to killing but I don't see her as being sadistic.

Samara is just as much a killer as Morinth. She would have killed Nihlus had he not used her code against her. Nihlus never struck me as being a bad person, but being a Spectre can mean doing bad things for the greater good. It would make sense for Shepard not to trust Samara. Morinth on the other hand kills with sex, Shepard knows this and has already resisted her once so there's no reason to fear her.

[Mechler]

*cough* Anders *cough*. Or even Shale(main characer in a novel....)

[DirtySHISN0]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

 Angelina Jolie's character in girl, interrupted is incredibly compelling.

Good example, i like that film.

[Quething]

Roamingmachine wrote...

Well, Samara did threaten to come after me after the collectors were taken care of so that kinda helped my decision

Uh, no she didn't.

She told you when you recruited her that if you made her do anything objectionable, she would have to come after you. You never do. At no point in ME2 does Shep not do her own dirty work, as a renegade.

If you've gotten to the point where she tells you that if she sees you again, she'll have to try to kill you, Morinth is already dead. And, even then, she says "I hope I don't see you," because she considers you a friend, likes you, and doesn't want to have to pit herself against you. Just as with Falere, she will spring on any loophole to avoid that conflict; in the case of Shepard, it's as easy as avoiding any further contact once the oath is released.

But yeah I agree that Morinth got the worst shaft in ME3 in terms of writing, considering her theoretical relevance to the game (as a possible squadmate). I'd say Emily Wong got worse treatment overall, though, because Morinth was never actually a real squadmate; ME2 gave her development and elaboration about on the level of someone like Shiala, and thus being a named banshee and having letters in the monastary is already more than we could normally have expected.

[rpgfan321]

I don't think Emily Wong got a bad treatment. I mean her "reporting" via Twitter was pretty interesting to me anyway.

But Kal'Reegar. Wished his cameo was more than a simple email.

[Lenimph]

Han Shot First wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Meh, Emily Wong's twitter feed was epic, I don't care it wasn't in game.

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I do agree with the bolded bit, Emily Wong went out like a boss. That being said, I do think it should have also been mentioned in the game. A lot of people probably missed that Twitter feed. I would have, had it not been reposted on the BSN.

I agree that there could have been some kind of in game reference but it's fine.  I'm not fond of twitter at all really but the way it was presented was fantastic and I feel most of the people complaining were people who missed out on it.  

I followed it through out the day and it simply made my day.  I hate to say I got emotional over a fictional twitter feed but I did.  

Morinth got screwed over the worst though. 

[Dominus]

Thane may not have had the end people hoped for, but he went out well.
Jacob had a lacking mission involved with him, even samara felt more engaging.

But yeah, it's hard to compete for worse treatment when all you get is an e-mail and a name swap on a banshee. That is rough.

[AlphaDormante]

The argument that one would pick Morinth over Samara just because Samara threatens to kill Renegade Shepard has never sat well with me. So you're going to not only let a mass-murdering serial killer off the hook, but you're going to kill a figure of justice in the process, and then release the serial killer back out into the galaxy when you're done with her? When the alternative is basically "be Shepard and just have one more person to kill later"?

I fail to see how keeping Morinth around would be better than just fighting Samara later down the road. Let me tell you, you'd have a much better chance against Samara than Morinth's victims would have had against her after you turned her loose.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:39 .

[Han Shot First]

AlphaDormante wrote...

The argument that one would pick Morinth over Samara just because Samara threatens to kill Renegade Shepard has never sat well with me. So you're going to not only let a mass-murdering serial killer off the hook, but you're going to kill a figure of justice in the process, and then release the serial killer back out into the galaxy when you're done with her? When the alternative is basically "be Shepard and just have one more person to kill later"?

I fail to see how keeping Morinth around would be better than just fighting Samara later down the road. Let me tell you, you'd have a much better chance against Samara than Morinth's victims would have had against her after you turned her loose.

There isn't any logic in choosing Morinth because while Samara may potentially want to kill RenShep later, Morinth definitely does.

The only reason to choose Morinth at all is simple curioisity on the part of the player. Storywise, it is a bone headed move by Shepard no matter how you look at it.

[LanceSolous13]

If Dianna Allers didn't exist, I would have been totally ok with Emily Wong's exit from the series as long as it was mentioned in game somewhere.

[TheDonk95]

Kal'Reegar and Shiala.
Atleast you can fight Morinth as a banshee, those two are barley mentioned.

[Mechler]

At least you can think Reegar and Shiala did something awesome in-character. Kasumi was her exact opposite in her mission.

Oh I picked Morinth in my first playthrough since Lifelong imprisonment vs death is a very harsh punishment for sometihng that isn't your fault. I kinda regretted it at first conversation. She is a murderous **** beyond redemption. I hated Jack in ME2 but at least there were more to her character than the surface. And she redeemed herself by being crazy awesome in ME3

[Roamingmachine]

AlphaDormante wrote...

The argument that one would pick Morinth over Samara just because Samara threatens to kill Renegade Shepard has never sat well with me. So you're going to not only let a mass-murdering serial killer off the hook, but you're going to kill a figure of justice in the process, and then release the serial killer back out into the galaxy when you're done with her? When the alternative is basically "be Shepard and just have one more person to kill later"?

I fail to see how keeping Morinth around would be better than just fighting Samara later down the road. Let me tell you, you'd have a much better chance against Samara than Morinth's victims would have had against her after you turned her loose.

My shepard wasn't doing anything for justice.Had a war to win.Why on earth would a ruthless renegade Shepard care if one more serial killer is out and about if shep has gotten her use out of the psychopath in the process? Perhaps your renegade Shepard did object to the idea, but that's your rp choice. I saw her uses and in the context of my renegade her to be much preferable to Judge Samara.

And really, Samara wasn't about justice either.She followed a 'code'.To the letter.Being judge, jury and executioner in accordance to some obscure code is not justice, its extremism.And as her story about Nihlus showed, justicars are potentially disruptive force in the galaxy due to their failure to acknoledge a gray area.Killing one outside Asari space could allmost be seen as a duty for a certain kind of Spectre.