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[incinerator950]

I don't see why anyone would set their expectations for it. It's free, with no gameplay changes. They're most likely adding new or cut dialogue and audio to the ending scenarios.

You'd be more of a fool to listen to this Peter Molyneux +1 hyping. It will not fix the glitches, it will not change bad audio, it will not remove sprites from passer by scenes.

[Pride Demon]

The Angry One wrote...

Unless there's a good reason.

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

There was a poster here on the forum, that while writing some "Letters from Shepard" came up with the idea of Shepard ordering Joker that before the mission...

Essentially it would have been something like this...
"I'll make a push for the Citadel on the ground, if I fail, disengage, get to Ilos and use the Conduit"
Considering everyone was presumed dead after Harby's attack that would make sense, it would sort of mend the thing in my opinion...

The Angry One wrote...

Then don't pick it?

Missing the point. Synthesis represents the ending's worst narrative failure, a total violation of the entire trilogy's themes.
Ideally, it needs to be deleted. But since some people out there astoundingly seems to like this vile, disgusting ending, let it stay. But adding to it is a waste of resources.

Well, considering something you don't like a waste of resources is obvious, but then if you like something and someone else doesn't like it, he'll have the right of calling that wasting resources...
This is not referred to the ending in particular, I mean it in the broadest sense possible...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 02 mai 2012 - 12:40 .

[psrz]

OP, I'm glad you're excited about it, but personally I really am skeptical.
Space Hitler has been granted artistic integrity armor and will stay. All his bullcrap will stay, and probably we'll get more of it. So that's pretty much a fail from the get go....

[Kunari801]

GlassElephant wrote...

I am staying cautiously optimistic... I am also curious to see how EC will explain the ending. If it sucks and somehow manages to make the ending worse (quite the feat), I will just uninstall it and stick to IT headcanon.... 

Agreed, I'm hopful but can't say I'm "optimistic" as that seems too positive to my feelings right now.  

Will the EC "Fix" the ending?   No, not really, that can't be done without a complete rewrite of everything post Anderson death.   Working within the confines of what we've been told, the EC could make the ending palatable.  

1- Make star-brats arguments logical at least (I'd rather him removed totally) 

2- Expand and differentiate the endings, what happens in the aftermath, how does the galaxy rebuild.   
--- If Shep can survive Destroy, can the Geth?  Can EDI?    What does Synthesis really imply?   How much control would "Control" really give Shepard?  Is is permanent or temporary "control"? 

3-  Delete the crash scene and give real closure with those we care about, LI, Crew, and Friends.  What becomes of them?    Are they rescued off that plant before they starve?   (See the Epilogue thread in the my sig for an idea of what I want.)

I'd like to see "Control" split into two options depending on EMS:   1- A way to just kick the Reapers out (even if it just resets the cycle for another 50k years) but have Shepard able to live and 2- Current ending in that Shepard joins the Reapers for permanent control.

I'd like to see "Destroy" split up too, with high enough EMS you can choose to kill the Reapers and sacrifice yourself (Thus saving the Geth & EDI) or kill Geth & EDI to save yourself.  

Modifié par Kunari801, 02 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[Kilshrek]

survivor_686 wrote...

In my cycle, building up pointless hype was punishable by death.

You tell'em Prothy!

/runs far away from airlock

[The Angry One]

Pride Demon wrote...

There was a poster here on the forum, that while writing some "Letters from Shepard" came up with the idea of Shepard ordering Joker that before the mission...

Essentially it would have been something like this...
"I'll make a push for the Citadel on the ground, if I fail, disengage, get to Ilos and use the Conduit"
Considering everyone was presumed dead after Harby's attack that would make sense, it would sort of mend the thing in my opinion...

The Normandy becomes attached to Hackett's command. Only Admiral Hackett has the authority to order a retreat. Period.
Moreover, Joker wouldn't follow this order. Nobody on the Normandy would, either out of loyalty to Shepard or desire to kill Reapers (Javik).

Also... why would the Ilos conduit be Plan B?

Well, considering something you don't like a waste of resources is obvious, but then if you like something and someone else doesn't like it, he'll have the right of calling that wasting resources...
This is not referred to the ending in particular, I mean it in the broadest sense possible...

It's nothing to do with liking or disliking. Synthesis is an ending to Deus Ex, or The Matrix. It is not an ending to Mass Effect.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 mai 2012 - 03:04 .

[bleetman]

Pride Demon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Unless there's a good reason.

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

There was a poster here on the forum, that while writing some "Letters from Shepard" came up with the idea of Shepard ordering Joker that before the mission...

Essentially it would have been something like this...
"I'll make a push for the Citadel on the ground, if I fail, disengage, get to Ilos and use the Conduit"
Considering everyone was presumed dead after Harby's attack that would make sense, it would sort of mend the thing in my opinion...

If the conduit was still intact and operational - or could be made operational - then I fail to see why they wouldn't just use it in the first place rather than throwing their entire ground force into a suicide run down on Earth. The only thing a "maybe he was going to Ilos" explanation does is shift Joker from being a character-breaking, last minute coward, to making the entire collective military minds of the galaxy complete idiots.

Modifié par bleetman, 02 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[Kilshrek]

The Conduit was shut down, if no one remembers. Who's going to power it? Where will they get the power? Ilos is, for all intents and purposes, dead, and nobody bothered with it. Besides, if the Conduit could get a team onto the Citadel, why was it not Plan A? That's a literal back door, if it still functioned. Hammer wouldn't have to make a push, and instead the entire strategy would be a stalling one while the team got in through the backdoor and set up the bomb, as it were.

'd

Modifié par Kilshrek, 02 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[The Angry One]

Hammer wouldn't be needed at all, at least for Earth if they used the Ilos conduit.

Hell, you could save them to drop directly onto the Citadel when it opens, because I love how they just ASSUME that there's going to be little to no resistance in the Citadel itself.

Edit: This is why the EC will fail.
Everything from the point the Citadel is moved is broken. Not just some things, EVERYTHING.
Everybody has to behave like idiots. The Reapers, Hackett, Shepard, Anderson, the whole team. Everybody is being stupid.

For example, to make it even begin to work you'd have to explain why they didn't use the Ilos conduit, and why the Reapers didn't turn off their conduit, or why they built it in the first place.
No, the Citadel being a Reaper factory is not an explanation. Why didn't the Reapers wait until the Crucible was destroyed? Why take the risk? What's the damn rush? For billion year old beings they sure are impatient.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 mai 2012 - 03:36 .

[luzburg]

i just hope they do it right. and i say damn you bioware if shepard and crew reunification if destroy(shepard lives) isnt there and as far as i can tell by looking on this forums im not the only one hwo whant "blue" babies
only thing is that that "jungle" planet has not to be far away

[Kilshrek]

The Angry One wrote...

For example, to make it even begin to work you'd have to explain why they didn't use the Ilos conduit, and why the Reapers didn't turn off their conduit, or why they built it in the first place.
No, the Citadel being a Reaper factory is not an explanation. Why didn't the Reapers wait until the Crucible was destroyed? Why take the risk? What's the damn rush? For billion year old beings they sure are impatient.

Conduit died after ME 1? Remember the rush to get through? I think it used up the last of its juice or whatever. Can't remember exactly. But unless someone knows how to start relays, I think the Conduit was done. That's why it wasn't used. And the Conduit was a Prothean construct, to drop the eggheads on the Citadel to.... fix the Keepers, or something, I forget. So anyway, so far as we know, it was the Protheans who came closest to unlocking mass relay tech.

And, Collector home base was a Reaper factory, of a sort. There was no evidence to suggest that the Citadel was a Reaper factory, but they were harvesting humans for some purpose. I don't remember if it was ever elucidated. Does it matter? Stuff blew up, we got our victorious and uplifting ending.

And Shepard became a martyr, very important theme, martyrdom.

[The Angry One]

Kilshrek wrote...

Conduit died after ME 1? Remember the rush to get through? I think it used up the last of its juice or whatever. Can't remember exactly. But unless someone knows how to start relays, I think the Conduit was done. That's why it wasn't used. And the Conduit was a Prothean construct, to drop the eggheads on the Citadel to.... fix the Keepers, or something, I forget. So anyway, so far as we know, it was the Protheans who came closest to unlocking mass relay tech.

The thing is, why couldn't it be reactivated? New power source, good to go.
You could explain that it shut down permanently and is unworkable... but then you'd have to explain why the best minds in the galaxy can build the Crucible without knowing what the hell it does but can't reactivate a dormant, otherwise undamaged piece of Prothean tech.

And, Collector home base was a Reaper factory, of a sort. There was no evidence to suggest that the Citadel was a Reaper factory, but they were harvesting humans for some purpose. I don't remember if it was ever elucidated.

Anderson says human bodies are being transported to the Citadel for processing (though how he knows that and why suddenly dead bodies are good for that is yet another plot hole).
Regardless of the reason, the question is WHY are the Reapers providing this convenient back door for Shepard when they don't have to? TURN IT OFF!

Does it matter? Stuff blew up, we got our victorious and uplifting ending.

Blarg.

And Shepard became a martyr, very important theme, martyrdom.

If Mac Walters wants martyrs, I suggest he write The Matrix fanfiction.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[Kilshrek]

The Angry One wrote...

The thing is, why couldn't it be reactivated? New power source, good to go.
You could explain that it shut down permanently and is unworkable... but then you'd have to explain why the best minds in the galaxy can build the Crucible without knowing what the hell it does but can't reactivate a dormant, otherwise undamaged piece of Prothean tech.

*shrugs* I'm not the story guy. Mordin would've worked something out.

The Angry One wrote...
Anderson says human bodies are being transported to the Citadel for processing (though how he knows that and why suddenly dead bodies are good for that is yet another plot hole).
Regardless of the reason, the question is WHY are the Reapers providing this convenient back door for Shepard when they don't have to? TURN IT OFF!

Same as above? Sovy even comes down with some chums (who never show up, unreliable gits) and tries to blast Shep and the gang. Much good it did him.

[bluewolv1970]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

How so?
It doesn't destroy diversity (unless, again, you believe there is no diversity between humans and chimps), it doesn't eliminate our differences (Joker and EDI stayed distinct), It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options, and friendship appears intact as well.

free choice??? It violates the core of being  a human being which is free choice, which also happenbs to be a theme of ME series until the LAST 5 MINUTES...

[dreamgazer]

The Angry One wrote...

The thing is, why couldn't it be reactivated? New power source, good to go.
You could explain that it shut down permanently and is unworkable... but then you'd have to explain why the best minds in the galaxy can build the Crucible without knowing what the hell it does but can't reactivate a dormant, otherwise undamaged piece of Prothean tech.

They have specific Prothean blueprints for the crucible; they don't have an instruction manual for the conduit.  While it's true that digging through the Prothean archives might have likely unearthed both, by our understanding they don't have direction in how to follow the Prothean train-of-thought in rebooting the conduit.  What powers it? How much power does it require? Would giving it too much power -- or too little -- disintegrate those that went through it?

That's also assuming that the relay on the Citadel is still completely functional following the events of ME1, and that the Reapers -- intelligent beings -- didn't destroy it with that thought in mind.

[xxskyshadowxx]

I am going to take her statement with a huge grain of salt...considering how pleased they all were with the original, banal, contrived ending they released.

[Kilshrek]

dreamgazer wrote...

They have specific Prothean blueprints for the crucible; they don't have an instruction manual for the conduit.  While it's true that digging through the Prothean archives might have likely unearthed both, by our understanding they don't have direction in how to follow the Prothean train-of-thought in rebooting the conduit.  What powers it? How much power does it require? Would giving it too much power -- or too little -- disintegrate those that went through it?

That's also assuming that the relay on the Citadel is still completely functional following the events of ME1, and that the Reapers -- intelligent beings -- didn't destroy it with that thought in mind.

So far as we know, not many people know about the truth of the Conduit. But Cerberus probably knew, and TIM fed the Reapers this info, or something. Who knows?

SPEKULASHUNS!

edit : Conduit tech specs would most likely be on Ilos and nowhere else, seeing as it was arguably the biggest Prothean secret. And if Ilos had lost all its power, and all the data was lost, so too would anything to do with the Conduit.

edit 2 : Because extrapolating from the data of the Conduit, if the Protheans were able to make a one way trip on such limited resources and time, imagine what those 3 years would have been to a team of the brightest minds in the galaxy? It would completely invalidate the Reapers threats of species developing along the lines that they desire. Mass relays between the various dominions of a species, it'd be like Webway heaven for every species out there, except those batarian freaks.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 02 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[The Angry One]

dreamgazer wrote...

They have specific Prothean blueprints for the crucible; they don't have an instruction manual for the conduit.  While it's true that digging through the Prothean archives might have likely unearthed both, by our understanding they don't have direction in how to follow the Prothean train-of-thought in rebooting the conduit.  What powers it? How much power does it require? Would giving it too much power -- or too little -- disintegrate those that went through it?

The Alliance and Council had been sending teams to study the conduit ever since it was discovered. ME2 establishes this. That's 2+ years of research.

That's also assuming that the relay on the Citadel is still completely functional following the events of ME1, and that the Reapers -- intelligent beings -- didn't destroy it with that thought in mind.

The Reapers are idiots. They provided a back door to the Citadel for no good reason.
You don't get to call them intelligent beings when they do that.

Keeping the Citadel relay may be somewhat of a contrivance, but you could reason the Reapers didn't have full control of the Presidium yet...... OH MY GOD I MADE THE CITADEL DEFENCE FORCE MATTER.

[Baronesa]

The Angry One wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

"  the team is working really hard right now on the EC DLC and I'm pleased with what's coming out of their work so far  " Jessica M.

"Finally the extra scene showing Joker wetting himself and deciding to run away is ready!"

I gotta wonder, Angry One... do you still want a Joker LI option?

[BDelacroix]

Not much info here. More stringing along but that's about all they can do.

Jessica can't say its no good even if it is and didn't she also like the endings? Well I guess we can't tell since she isn't allowed to give her true opinion without reprecussions.

[The Angry One]

Baronesa wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

"  the team is working really hard right now on the EC DLC and I'm pleased with what's coming out of their work so far  " Jessica M.

"Finally the extra scene showing Joker wetting himself and deciding to run away is ready!"

I gotta wonder, Angry One... do you still want a Joker LI option?

I still like Joker. I just have a harder and harder time reconciling what they did to him in the end.
I have to remind myself that this was character assassination to the nth degree and not truly what his character is like at all.

[Linkenski]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

"All synthetic life" not "synthetics with Reaper code".
Why would the Crucible target Reaper code anyway? Their code is used to emulate Reaper minds.
Reaper minds are gestalt organic minds, they're not AIs.  Hence, no code.

Which actually might be telling. Every true AI in the series thus far (the upgraded Geth, EDI, the Zha'til) are due to Reaper code. Maybe you need that gestalt to break the barrier between "complex VI" and "true AI."

Regardless, if it doesn't target Reaper code and just blanket hits synthetics, that makes the Geth's destruction even more assured.

As for why - because if they didn't, there'd be no debate over the other two endings. They'd be written off as mission failure/indoctrination even worse than they are now.

The Angry One wrote... 
Er... and? The battle is at Earth. Shepard is at Earth. Joker would not flee the battle and abandon Shepard.

And you've made it clear that you won't accept any possible reason for him doing so no matter what they say, so why are you even here?

The Angry One wrote... 
I would  only hope they concentrate on things that don't go against the themes of Mass Effect.

And who decides what the "themes of Mass Effect" are? The writers, or The Angry One?

Play through ME1 and ME2 again and let's hear you say that the big theme is Synthetics VS Organics. It's in there yes, but it's not what the whole damn thing is about, and the Catalyst's statement still doesn't fit in there.

[Slayer299]

I'd love to be excited and optimistic for the EC, but there isn't a reason to be. It's not a fundamental change or even an incremental one. It's going to be "clarity", cut-scenes and even more auto dialogue! 

So instead of Red we have Sparkling Red, instead of Blue we have Deep Blue and instead of Green we have Forest Green! Yayyyy Clarity!!!!!!!!! /end sarcasm.

Modifié par Slayer299, 02 mai 2012 - 04:53 .

[oblique9]

Slayer299 wrote...

I'd love to be excited and optimistic for the EC, but there isn't a reason to be. It's not a fundamental change or even an incremental one. It's going to be "clarity", cut-scenes and even more auto dialogue! 

So instead of Red we have Sparkling Red, instead of Blue we have Deep Blue and instead of Green we have Forest Green! Yayyyy Clarity!!!!!!!!! /end sarcasm.

Unfortunately, this is probably all we'll get. Begs the question, why bother in the first place?

[Slayer299]

Because they EA/BW hope it will appease enough ME3 fans and to calm the storm surrounding ME3 and get sales back on track. Especially once the game sites start 'reporting' on the wonderful and completeness the EC adds 'to an already perfect game'.

That's the only reason I can think of.

Modifié par Slayer299, 02 mai 2012 - 05:05 .