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[ArchDuck]

I have trouble caring about anything that person tweets. She, like the company she is representing, has given out too much false information for me to care about anything she says. When she announces something, with verifiable evidence, then maybe I will listen.

Hopefully the rest of you recall all those posts from her about "the ending means this..." and "those people didn't die because..." only to be followed up with a "Oops, that wasn't an official statement, just my opinion, teehee. Even though I'm using my official position and its resources to announce those things. ;P".

[xsdob]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

How so?
It doesn't destroy diversity (unless, again, you believe there is no diversity between humans and chimps), it doesn't eliminate our differences (Joker and EDI stayed distinct), It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options, and friendship appears intact as well.

free choice??? It violates the core of being  a human being which is free choice, which also happenbs to be a theme of ME series until the LAST 5 MINUTES...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

[ArchDuck]

xsdob wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

free choice??? It violates the core of being  a human being which is free choice, which also happenbs to be a theme of ME series until the LAST 5 MINUTES...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

Whoa strawman much?

Vaccines (stimulates the immune system to make antibodies) =/= Synthesis (Genetic level alteration of all life in the galaxy)

Vaccines are not retro viruses, Mkay?

Modifié par ArchDuck, 02 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[Jenrais]

 Translation to the Op's post on jessicas twitter


"I'm glad on how we will explain space magic and our so called artistic integrity"

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

How so?
It doesn't destroy diversity (unless, again, you believe there is no diversity between humans and chimps), it doesn't eliminate our differences (Joker and EDI stayed distinct), It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options, and friendship appears intact as well.

free choice??? It violates the core of being  a human being which is free choice, which also happenbs to be a theme of ME series until the LAST 5 MINUTES...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

Do vaccinations make a child something other than a human? No? Then this comparison is pointless.

[xsdob]

ArchDuck wrote...

xsdob wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

free choice??? It violates the core of being  a human being which is free choice, which also happenbs to be a theme of ME series until the LAST 5 MINUTES...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

Whoa strawman much?

Vaccines (stimulates the immune system to make antibodies) =/= Synthesis (Genetic level alteration of all life in the galaxy)

Vaccines are not retro viruses, Mkay?

Both are meant to strengthen the person it affects, and both change the person on a genetic level, as immunity to diseases is genetic manipulation.

How do you know it's as bad as you think it is? How do you know it'll really destroy diversity? How do you really know that it will not simply have the effect of strengthening the individual and nothing more?

Wait until the extended cut comes out and explains what these options really mean, than we can argue about whether or not this choice really mentally wipes out individual consiciousness.

Because quite frnakly, negative speculation only serves to depress or enrage, and not allow for mental excersise in a what if scenario.

[Kilshrek]

xsdob wrote...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

That is a very stupid comparison. Vaccinations are a proven way of immunising a body against a pathogen. They are not 100%, but they are not a drastic thing, except in the case of the smallpox vaccine.

Synthesis is nothing of the sort. It is the forcible reconstruction of genetic code through unknown means, it is the 'promise' of transcendence, not of providing the body with the knowledge on how to defend itself from pathogens. How you even thought to compare the two I do not know.


edit : PLEASE NO, immunisation IS NOT genetic manipulation. Please go learn up on what immunity is before you make such false statements.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 02 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[ArchDuck]

xsdob wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

xsdob wrote...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

Whoa strawman much?

Vaccines (stimulates the immune system to make antibodies) =/= Synthesis (Genetic level alteration of all life in the galaxy)

Vaccines are not retro viruses, Mkay?

Both are meant to strengthen the person it affects, and both change the person on a genetic level, as immunity to diseases is genetic manipulation...

Since when?

[mauro2222]

xsdob wrote...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

Wow, vaccines have the power to make me a cyborg?

[xsdob]

...You know what, I apologize for those post. It's clear that my opinion and the opinion of those on this board are too different to reconcile or debate. This isn't a simply geth v heretic situation, this is a fundamental difference in viewing what the option even does. I think it benefits everyone as a whole, you guys think it's rape of the individual's being.

So I apologize for the rage my post has cause. I bide you all good day. Please enjoy the rest of your time on these boards unprovoked.

Also this is where I got the information that vaccinations affect genetics,
http://www.bibliotec...sp_salud33y.htm

Read and dispute it, or dispute it outright, or just call me a liar, your choice is your own.

Farewell to all of you, I hope you find happiness somehow.

EDIT:also I got that word to describe synthesis from the boards, it seems to be the most used explination of it from what has been posted elsewhere. I apologize if it offends you.

Modifié par xsdob, 02 mai 2012 - 05:35 .

[mauro2222]

Well, I don't think it's rape, just that the comparison you made was a little... off. Synthesis is forced, that's something you can't deny.

[C04L]

i dont get why Joker wasn't freaking out, shooting himslef in the head because his lovebot was erased when i chose red. he seemed happy walking out the Normandy with Ash..... er f*k me-- he got the better deal. he stole my girl, damit i dont even get the choice to break his legs.. they'r already broke grrrrr

Modifié par C04L, 02 mai 2012 - 05:38 .

[EricHVela]

Kmack11 wrote...

They've been started for a while now...

Since the voice of EDI stated she was starting more EDI work, they definitely have been working on it for a while, but I worry that having voice work ready this soon is going to mean they're still rushing things.

Personally, I'd rather have fans whine about not having the promised DLC and have it completed than giving a DLC at the "promised" time that was rushed.

The game was already rushed. We know it.

[mauro2222]

That information doesn't say anything about vaccines changing the genetic code. More like the process of natural inmunization adapting to the virus by adding the code of the virus to the DNA of the host for future attacks on the body.

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[Kilshrek]

xsdob wrote...

...You know what, I apologize for those post. It's clear that my opinion and the opinion of those on this board are too different to reconcile or debate. This isn't a simply geth v heretic situation, this is a fundamental difference in viewing what the option even does. I think it benefits everyone as a whole, you guys think it's rape.

So I apologize for the rage my post has cause. I bide you all good day. Please enjoy the rest of your time on these boards unprovoked.

No, do not apologise for the post itself, rather apologise for the content, in which you made a clearly false statement.

I will not simply accept that immunisation is genetic manipulation, because it is not. It is priming the immune response of the body, it affects the body, but not the genetic code. The genetic code is there, but it only codes for the antibodies. Once those antibodies are out there, they handle the immunity bit, it has nothing to do with the genetic code itself. There is the part your statement was not true.

And, it is genetic rape, as it were. A child gets immunized with the consent of the parent in most cases, there are very few places in this world where a parent is FORCED to accept this for the child. A quick internet check shows that compulsory vaccinations, ie vaccinations that go ahead regardless of the recepients or their carers consent are exceedingly rare worldwide. So far as I can see, only America absolutely requires vaccinations in certain circumstances. Most other places in the world offer vaccinations, but do not force them upon a person.

But again, vaccination is nowhere near the same thing as genetic manipulation. The Alliance has gene therapy and it has apparently ended most major genetic defects (were that so easy in real life), that is probably where you got your ideas mixed up.

[xsdob]

Okay, left for half an hour and I can see my post continue to cause rage. Should I remove them or alter them in some way?

[Taboo]

xsdob wrote...

Okay, left for half an hour and I can see my post continue to cause rage. Should I remove them or alter them in some way?

No. It reveals the underbelly of the problem and makes all the bad pickles leave.

[Hihoshi101]

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xsdob wrote...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

As a sibling of a child with Autism that was on the road to recovery until he was forced to get a vaccine because of extended family pressure. I find you to be out of line with that comment. Vaccinations may not cause Autism but they do agrivate the condition. so STFU unless you are realted (sibling or parent) to someone with Autism or have PHD in Medical Sciences.<_<

For the record I believe that every person should have the right to
say what happens to their body so YES Synthesis IS WRONG.<_<

[Ieldra]

xsdob wrote...
Okay, left for half an hour and I can see my post continue to cause rage. Should I remove them or alter them in some way?

No need to apologize. I happen to agree with you. I could analyze the hell out of the visceral hate some people express about certain ending options, but what's the point? It's completely irrational. People start with an intuitive aversion and then find reasons why it absolutely must be bad in a more objective sense. A prime example of "reason is the slave of the passions". I just hope the Bioware writers have a more detached view of these things.

It's not as if you're adding tentacles to people. The changes are pretty much invisible and implied to be beneficial. I have no clue what gets people so riled up. Actually, I have, but again it's completely irrational. They'd just deny it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[xsdob]

Hihoshi101 wrote...


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xsdob wrote...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

As a sibling of a child with Autism that was on the road to recovery until he was forced to get a vaccine because of extended family pressure. I find you to be out of line with that comment. Vaccinations may not cause Autism but they do agrivate the condition. so STFU unless you are realted (sibling or parent) to someone with Autism or have PHD in Medical Sciences.<_<

For the record I believe that every person should have the right to
say what happens to their body so YES Synthesis IS WRONG.<_<

This will be in.s.u.l.ting and cause a flamewar but I feel the need to post it.

The scientist who made that claim, Andrew Jeremy Wakefield, admitted that he lied about his results for money that a legal firm was offering him. They wanted to sue a large vaccine making company and needed data to back it up, Wakefeild forged the data and published it.

He's a crook and a liar, and his data is responsible for the deaths of every child whose come down with vaccinatable diseases.

Modifié par xsdob, 02 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[incinerator950]

Ieldra2 wrote...

xsdob wrote...
Okay, left for half an hour and I can see my post continue to cause rage. Should I remove them or alter them in some way?

No need to apologize. I happen to agree with you. I could analyze the hell out of the visceral hate some people express about certain ending options, but what's the point? It's completely irrational. People start with an intuitive aversion and then find reasons why it absolutely must be bad in a more objective sense. A prime example of "reason is the slave of the passions". I just hope the Bioware writers have a more detached view of these things.

It's not as if you're adding tentacles to people. The changes are pretty much invisible and implied to be beneficial. I have no clue what gets people so riled up. Actually, I have, but again it's completely irrational. They'd just deny it.

Pretty much.

[Kilshrek]

xsdob wrote...

Okay, left for half an hour and I can see my post continue to cause rage. Should I remove them or alter them in some way?

If you call writing a reasonable response rage, I shudder to think what you think of regular internet vitriol. You also make no attempt to clarify how you mean to say vaccination is genetic manipulation.

edit : I realise that my earlier posts in response to yours were not entirely reasonable, but that is my response when a sweeping statement is made with zero factual backing. Show me how you think vaccination is genetic manipulation, and I will do my best to look at it from that point of view.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 02 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[MisterJB]

xsdob wrote...
And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

I like you.

[DarthSliver]

I will get excited when its put up on the psn to download lol


And Xboxlive Marketplace too and Origins.

Modifié par DarthSliver, 02 mai 2012 - 06:35 .

[xsdob]

Kilshrek wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Okay, left for half an hour and I can see my post continue to cause rage. Should I remove them or alter them in some way?

If you call writing a reasonable response rage, I shudder to think what you think of regular internet vitriol. You also make no attempt to clarify how you mean to say vaccination is genetic manipulation.

edit : I realise that my earlier posts in response to yours were not entirely reasonable, but that is my response when a sweeping statement is made with zero factual backing. Show me how you think vaccination is genetic manipulation, and I will do my best to look at it from that point of view.

i thought that by making your antibodies more resistant and able to pick up and attack a disease, you were effectivly changing the genetics of your antiboides to be able to combat the threat, which would in turn alter your bodies code for creating more antibodies.

Than again I view fast food as genetic manipulation as well, since they are using chemicals that make the cows generate more fat and thus changing their normal genetic coding for fat production. I should probably just stop talking, I haven't taken a course in biology, chemistry, geology, and physics yes, but not biology.

I admit I was wrong in that post than, I just don't like the whole 'violates humans right of choice' argument because it seems very foolish to me. If this manipulation and alteration benefits them, than why argue against it, I am the same guy who supported augmentation in deus ex human revolution though, so that may just be my world view.