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[Necrotron]

I wish I could get excited about this.

Modifié par Bathaius, 02 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[Pheonix57]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

"  the team is working really hard right now on the EC DLC and I'm pleased with what's coming out of their work so far  " Jessica M.

Gorramit! That means shes seeing stuff that I haven't seen. I want it.....*cry*

I can appreciate your use of Firefly-verse obsenities

[Abreu Road]

Don't know if already been posted here, but Mass Effect official twitter also retweeted this survey.

[Hihoshi101]

xsdob wrote...

Hihoshi101 wrote...


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xsdob wrote...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

As a sibling of a child with Autism that was on the road to recovery until he was forced to get a vaccine because of extended family pressure. I find you to be out of line with that comment. Vaccinations may not cause Autism but they do agrivate the condition. so STFU unless you are realted (sibling or parent) to someone with Autism or have PHD in Medical Sciences.<_<

For the record I believe that every person should have the right to
say what happens to their body so YES Synthesis IS WRONG.<_<

This will be in.s.u.l.ting and cause a flamewar but I feel the need to post it.

The scientist who made that claim, Andrew Jeremy Wakefield, admitted that he lied about his results for money that a legal firm was offering him. They wanted to sue a large vaccine making company and needed data to back it up, Wakefeild forged the data and published it.

He's a crook and a liar, and his data is responsible for the deaths of every child whose come down with vaccinatable diseases.

I know that guy lied and because of that every time Vaccines cause a problem the government and vaccine companies just point to that one study. It is not the vaccines it is the preservatives they use anyways.
'Vaccinations may not cause Autism but they do aggravate the condition'
'Mercury' is believed to be the main culprit and they use it to make the preservative. Some times it doesn't get cleaned out properly. (Just like peanuts in peanut oil)

But the point still is No One should be forced to take Vaccinations even with out autism there are plenty of other debilitating side effect that can occur.www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Synthesis is wrong IMO I would attempt to control the Reapers first

[Kilshrek]

xsdob wrote...

i thought that by making your antibodies more resistant and able to pick up and attack a disease, you were effectivly changing the genetics of your antiboides to be able to combat the threat, which would in turn alter your bodies code for creating more antibodies.

Than again I view fast food as genetic manipulation as well, since they are using chemicals that make the cows generate more fat and thus changing their normal genetic coding for fat production. I should probably just stop talking, I haven't taken a course in biology, chemistry, geology, and physics yes, but not biology.

I admit I was wrong in that post than, I just don't like the whole 'violates humans right of choice' argument because it seems very foolish to me. If this manipulation and alteration benefits them, than why argue against it, I am the same guy who supported augmentation in deus ex human revolution though, so that may just be my world view.

Sadly, by its very definition genetic manipulation is the actual manipulation of genes. Gene therapy, is genetic manipulation, because it attempts to introduce the correct or functioning gene (in most cases) where the patient has a defect.

Vaccination works in a very different way. Immunity is handled entirely by the cells themselves. This is as good a source as any on what the immune system is. What you're looking for in the vaccination aspect of it is from Wikipedia unfortunately, but should be as good a source of any for the purposes of this thread. Because some vaccinations even require booster shots, it is difficult to say that genetic manipulation goes on here, because were vaccinations to alter the genetic code, the margin for error in current systems is so large that'd we'd all probably get cancer or worse years after a jab.

But again, I argue that vaccination is absolutely not comparable to synthesis.

[xsdob]

There is more mercury in 1 serving of a can of tunafish than are present in vaccines. Some vaccienes contain 12.5 micrograms of mercury per dose. Tuna contains 1.0 parts per million (ppm) of mercury, a 6 ounce serving is 1 fda approved serving. That comes out to 170097138 micrograms, meaning that as a rough estimate there are 170 micrograms of mercury in tuna.

Oh, and a tunafish can contains 12 ounces or 2 servings, so double the ammount to 340 micrograms.

And the FDA's safe amount for mercury is .5 ppm. So I'll do you the favor of cutting the tuna merucry in half to match safe levels, thats 85 for 6 ounces and 170 for the full can in micrograms.

Modifié par xsdob, 02 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[xsdob]

Oh, and very well, I will not argue synthesis anymore. Not until the extended cut is released and I can better understand the effect and ramifications of the choice.

[mauro2222]

xsdob wrote...

I am the same guy who supported augmentation in deus ex human revolution though, so that may just be my world view.

The problem with Deus Ex: HR it's a very specific one, technology is a tool, a way of adaptation, one uses this tool but does not become the tool in the process. If there is no limitation to what we can do, to what we can become, we lose our very soul in the process, we forget what human means, what is humanity for us. This technological dominace over nature paves the way for abuse over it, something that we can already see in modern times. This dominance can doom us all for the very selfishness of just a few, and we risk losing all the good things of being human just because we want to achieve perfection.

What Sarif says is pure BS, we don't improve ourselfs to raise the limit line, we improve ourselves to do the right things, to correct previous mistakes and to not make them again. Sarif proposes the most disgusting way to solve mistakes.

[Kilshrek]

xsdob wrote...

Oh, and very well, I will not argue synthesis anymore. Not until the extended cut is released and I can better understand the effect and ramifications of the choice.

I don't mean to say that synthesis cannot be supported, only that it is not comparable to vaccination.

Also, tuna.. I know it's mercury laced, but I quite like it. Just so long as you don't eat more than 2 serves a month you should be fine, generally speaking. Large, long lived fish in general contain some mercury, or so I'm lead to believe, so it's not just tuna that is a source of mercury in the diet.

But before we derail this terribly.

[Linksys17]

The Angry One wrote...

xsdob wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

How so?
It doesn't destroy diversity (unless, again, you believe there is no diversity between humans and chimps), it doesn't eliminate our differences (Joker and EDI stayed distinct), It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options, and friendship appears intact as well.

free choice??? It violates the core of being  a human being which is free choice, which also happenbs to be a theme of ME series until the LAST 5 MINUTES...

And I'm sure you feel the same way when it comes to forced vaccinations. You know, the stuff that doesn't cause autism and can save your childs life...but it violates my childs choice to not have a way of defending themselves from illness so i oppose this measure that violates my childs core prinicpals of being human.

Do vaccinations make a child something other than a human? No? Then this comparison is pointless.

More importantly why in holy hell does synthesis make the reapers stop harvesting, why does synthe-organic hybrids invalidate the already crude assumption of synthetics obliterating organics.  Will this really keep peace??????It's all ridiculous, the proposed issue from the catalyst which is proved wrong by the geth and the quarians and ED. The solution which has SYNTHETICS aka reapers kill organics.  It's all stupid I just wanted to kill evil space squids!  I guess Sovereign was wrong when he said it was beyond comprehension to understand the reapers purpose because it lacks logic therefore it lacks a possibility of comprehension....

[xsdob]

Kilshrek wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Oh, and very well, I will not argue synthesis anymore. Not until the extended cut is released and I can better understand the effect and ramifications of the choice.

I don't mean to say that synthesis cannot be supported, only that it is not comparable to vaccination.

Also, tuna.. I know it's mercury laced, but I quite like it. Just so long as you don't eat more than 2 serves a month you should be fine, generally speaking. Large, long lived fish in general contain some mercury, or so I'm lead to believe, so it's not just tuna that is a source of mercury in the diet.

But before we derail this terribly.

It was one of the biggest sources I could think of, and my dad eats tuna all the time.

Also, I agree now that it is not comparable to vaccines. What I was saying is that I lack the information to make an argument either way. I can't support or deny it because do not understand it.

I picked control, shepard has done the impossible before, I have faith he can pull off one last miracle.

[mauro2222]

Linksys17 wrote...

More importantly why in holy hell does synthesis make the reapers stop harvesting, why does synthe-organic hybrids invalidate the already crude assumption of synthetics obliterating organics.  Will this really keep peace??????It's all ridiculous, the proposed issue from the catalyst which is proved wrong by the geth and the quarians and ED. The solution which has SYNTHETICS aka reapers kill organics.  It's all stupid I just wanted to kill evil space squids!  I guess Sovereign was wrong when he said it was beyond comprehension to understand the reapers purpose because it lacks logic therefore it lacks a possibility of comprehension....

They assume that difference is what moves conflicts, rather than the intolerance to differences.

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 mai 2012 - 07:08 .

[tier.engel]

I don't know about you guys, but I was excited about the ending in March.... You know, when I picked up a copy of a game that was "complete". Yea, the one that wouldn't import my ME1 character, excluded major plot lines(Javik) for DLC and had an uninspired lazy ending.
 
I am not excited for the EC at all. It won't fix that hole in my heart that playing the game in March created. ME3 was a let down. SUPER Let Down. Yes I want to see the EC, but only so I can placate my anger towards BW for releaseing such garbage. What irks me is that they spent a ton of time working on online and apps and all that junk instead on famking the game, i dunno, good. 

Oh well, all we can do is wait and see. Until then, Bioware doesn't have my attention, or deserve it. 

[pjotroos]

Dear oh dear, Bioware PR Department is happy with Bioware work! Who would've thought!

[Linksys17]

mauro2222 wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

More importantly why in holy hell does synthesis make the reapers stop harvesting, why does synthe-organic hybrids invalidate the already crude assumption of synthetics obliterating organics.  Will this really keep peace??????It's all ridiculous, the proposed issue from the catalyst which is proved wrong by the geth and the quarians and ED. The solution which has SYNTHETICS aka reapers kill organics.  It's all stupid I just wanted to kill evil space squids!  I guess Sovereign was wrong when he said it was beyond comprehension to understand the reapers purpose because it lacks logic therefore it lacks a possibility of comprehension....

They assume that difference is what moves conflicts, rather than the intolerance to differences.

Its all rediculous I mean Deus ex goes through the social economic implications of augmentations and shows people needing to get the implants to keep jobs and survive, as well as neuropozine.  In context these endings would work
But mass effect was more like star trek showing the value of advanced tech.  These endings contradict the theme entirely especially synthesis

[aj2070]

survivor_686 wrote...

In my cycle, building up pointless hype was punishable by death.

Can we go back to that cycle?!  I hate pointless hype and this is pointless hype at it's best/worse.  

[mauro2222]

Linksys17 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Linksys17 wrote...

More importantly why in holy hell does synthesis make the reapers stop harvesting, why does synthe-organic hybrids invalidate the already crude assumption of synthetics obliterating organics.  Will this really keep peace??????It's all ridiculous, the proposed issue from the catalyst which is proved wrong by the geth and the quarians and ED. The solution which has SYNTHETICS aka reapers kill organics.  It's all stupid I just wanted to kill evil space squids!  I guess Sovereign was wrong when he said it was beyond comprehension to understand the reapers purpose because it lacks logic therefore it lacks a possibility of comprehension....

They assume that difference is what moves conflicts, rather than the intolerance to differences.

Its all rediculous I mean Deus ex goes through the social economic implications of augmentations and shows people needing to get the implants to keep jobs and survive, as well as neuropozine.  In context these endings would work
But mass effect was more like star trek showing the value of advanced tech.  These endings contradict the theme entirely especially synthesis

Yeah it's stupid to say the least, much more considering that they still are different, we have human hybrids, krogan hybrids, geth hybrids, turian hybrids, not grey balls floating in space.

[aj2070]

Lookout1390 wrote...

"We promise Mac will get to write more this time around, he feels like he hasn't reached his true potential yet, he was always fond of purple"

-Casey Hudson on the EC

Oh hell no...

[xsdob]

aj2070 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

"We promise Mac will get to write more this time around, he feels like he hasn't reached his true potential yet, he was always fond of purple"

-Casey Hudson on the EC

Oh hell no...

Link or it didn't happen.<_<

[Tasker]

aj2070 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

"We promise Mac will get to write more this time around, he feels like he hasn't reached his true potential yet, he was always fond of purple"

-Casey Hudson on the EC

Oh hell no...

Please tell me that's a joke?

He frelled up the ending once and he's been let loose on it again after the abortion he gave us the first time around?

Give it to the guys that did Tuchanka.  You know... The guys that did the only truely outstanding part of the game.

[Linksys17]

[/quote]

Yeah it's stupid to say the least, much more considering that they still are different, we have human hybrids, krogan hybrids, geth hybrids, turian hybrids, not grey balls floating in space.

[/quote]

Ha, yeah they should make more reapers to prevent synthekrogan from killing synthesalarians by just wiping everyone out lol

[PluralAces]

she is one person....doesnt mean the masses will like it....

unfortunately she like the rest of the staff didnt get to see the ending before it was released...if she did...maybe they woudl still be working on ME3 with a better ending...

[Linksys17]

Orkboy wrote...

aj2070 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

"We promise Mac will get to write more this time around, he feels like he hasn't reached his true potential yet, he was always fond of purple"

-Casey Hudson on the EC

Oh hell no...

Please tell me that's a joke?

He frelled up the ending once and he's been let loose on it again after the abortion he gave us the first time around?

Give it to the guys that did Tuchanka.  You know... The guys that did the only truely outstanding part of the game.

Obv a joke

[Tasker]

Linksys17 wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

aj2070 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

"We promise Mac will get to write more this time around, he feels like he hasn't reached his true potential yet, he was always fond of purple"

-Casey Hudson on the EC

Oh hell no...

Please tell me that's a joke?

He frelled up the ending once and he's been let loose on it again after the abortion he gave us the first time around?

Give it to the guys that did Tuchanka.  You know... The guys that did the only truely outstanding part of the game.

Obv a joke

I guessed that, but the way that Bioware's brain seems to be working these days it wouldn't surprise me if they went with it.

[richard_rider]

I await with suspicious anticipation. <_<