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[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

Why the hell should the Geth have to pay the price of destroy, the thing we've been working up through the entire trilogy to do?

Because they loaded themselves up with Reaper Code. Blame Han'Gerrell.

The Angry One wrote... |

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

What do you mean, "stay for Shepard?" He didn't drop you off, Cortez did. The last time you saw Joker, he was in the middle of a battle, remember?

The Angry One wrote... | 
Missing the point. Synthesis represents the ending's worst narrative failure, a total violation of the entire trilogy's themes.
Ideally, it needs to be deleted. But since some people out there astoundingly seems to like this vile, disgusting ending, let it stay. But adding to it is a waste of resources.

For you it might be, just as I think any attempt to even tangentially entertain IDT would be a waste of resources. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), it's not up to either of us.

[Velocithon]

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...
Then don't pick it?

Missing the point. Synthesis represents the ending's worst narrative failure, a total violation of the entire trilogy's themes.
Ideally, it needs to be deleted. But since some people out there astoundingly seems to like this vile, disgusting ending, let it stay. But adding to it is a waste of resources.

Don't forget Bioware also considers Synthesis to be the "best" () ending. So they'd likely expand on that the most.

Modifié par Velocithon, 01 mai 2012 - 11:34 .

[kaskouka]

Fortunately, It will be better with Kinect.

[Devil Mingy]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Because they loaded themselves up with Reaper Code. Blame Han'Gerrell.

"All synthetic life" not "synthetics with Reaper code".
Why would the Crucible target Reaper code anyway? Their code is used to emulate Reaper minds.
Reaper minds are gestalt organic minds, they're not AIs.  Hence, no code.

What do you mean, "stay for Shepard?" He didn't drop you off, Cortez did. The last time you saw Joker, he was in the middle of a battle, remember?

Er... and? The battle is at Earth. Shepard is at Earth. Joker would not flee the battle and abandon Shepard.

For you it might be, just as I think any attempt to even tangentially entertain IDT would be a waste of resources. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), it's not up to either of us.

I would  only hope they concentrate on things that don't go against the themes of Mass Effect.

[TODD9999]

Well, thanks for posting this here for those of us who aren't twitterpated.

Jessica Merizan is just doing her job. She works for BioWare, after all. I don't bear her any ill will, I just think the excess of hype is a bit silly. If there was a BioWare employee who had said "Yeah, I think the endings were pretty bad." and *they* came out saying "omg the new stuff is awesome", I might give it some actual consideration. Otherwise, it's just fairly transparent.

But hey! Work has begun. So that's good news.

EDIT: And, for clarity and fairness, thanks to Jessica Merizan for posting that tidbit of information.  Communication is pretty wonderful.

Modifié par TODD9999, 01 mai 2012 - 11:45 .

[Clayless]

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

Hackett. AKA not Joker.

[TheGreenAlloy]

majinbuu1307 wrote...
Gorramit! 

Well said!

[The Angry One]

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

Not to mention that Joker would not flee based on what he THINKS. He would make damn sure Shepard was dead, and by damn sure I mean seeing the body with his own eyes.

Yet in the ending, he doesn't even use the radio! Come on.

[Stygian1]

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

And regardless of that, where the hell does Joker think he is running to?  If this offensive is a failure its game over for everyone. There is no way to logically justify retreat. 

Modifié par Stygian1, 01 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[The Angry One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

Hackett. AKA not Joker.

You're right, Joker has never, ever listened in to Hackett's comm channel or communicated with Hackett in any game.

OH WAIT

[kaskouka]

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

Yet In 4 minutes, he managed to land on Earth, take my crew on board (even the ones who were with Shepard just before the beam rush) and jump to the Sol relay. I know he's good, but no "clarification" would be able to explain that in a credible way.

Modifié par kaskouka, 01 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[TJX2045]

sistersafetypin wrote...

I wish Jessica would stop tweeting. She brings out the Vorcha in me. "We no TRUST you!"

This made me laugh because I saw your avatar and immediately thought of Mordin. 

I'm glad they're working on it, but I'm going to go in with as little expectation as possible that way I won't have high expectations and be extremely disappointed when they are not met.

Modifié par TJX2045, 01 mai 2012 - 11:42 .

[Devil Mingy]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Hackett. AKA not Joker.

And Hackett isn't going to tell Joker? 

Is Hackett going to lie to Joker to make the Normandy retreat for some reason?

Is Joker going to leave with the Normandy and leave the rest of the fleet to die? 

I'm genuinely lost here. What exactly are you implying happened?

Modifié par Devil Mingy, 01 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Joker risking everyone and everything to save his ships. Sounds in-character to me.

Missing the point. Synthesis represents the ending's worst narrative failure, a total violation of the entire trilogy's themes.
Ideally, it needs to be deleted. But since some people out there astoundingly seems to like this vile, disgusting ending, let it stay. But adding to it is a waste of resources.

Isn't that a commendable attitude? The only good ending is the one I like and therefore, to expand on the other endings for the people who do like them would be a waste of resources.
Very open minded and fair handed.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

"All synthetic life" not "synthetics with Reaper code".
Why would the Crucible target Reaper code anyway? Their code is used to emulate Reaper minds.
Reaper minds are gestalt organic minds, they're not AIs.  Hence, no code.

Which actually might be telling. Every true AI in the series thus far (the upgraded Geth, EDI, the Zha'til) are due to Reaper code. Maybe you need that gestalt to break the barrier between "complex VI" and "true AI."

Regardless, if it doesn't target Reaper code and just blanket hits synthetics, that makes the Geth's destruction even more assured.

As for why - because if they didn't, there'd be no debate over the other two endings. They'd be written off as mission failure/indoctrination even worse than they are now.

The Angry One wrote... 
Er... and? The battle is at Earth. Shepard is at Earth. Joker would not flee the battle and abandon Shepard.

And you've made it clear that you won't accept any possible reason for him doing so no matter what they say, so why are you even here?

The Angry One wrote... 
I would  only hope they concentrate on things that don't go against the themes of Mass Effect.

And who decides what the "themes of Mass Effect" are? The writers, or The Angry One?

[The Angry One]

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Hackett. AKA not Joker.

And Hackett isn't going to tell Joker? Hackett is going to lie to Joker to make the Normandy retreat for some reason? Joker is going to leave with the Normandy and leave the rest of the fleet to die? 

I'm genuinely lost here. What exactly are you implying happened?

The basic logic failure is astounding.

Shepard and her two squadmates charged Harbinger, the whole assault group was thought dead.
But.... Joker picked up the squadmates. So Joker knows they survived. If they survived.. why would Joker assume Shepard is dead?!

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

Not to mention that Joker would not flee based on what he THINKS. He would make damn sure Shepard was dead, and by damn sure I mean seeing the body with his own eyes.

Yet in the ending, he doesn't even use the radio! Come on.

"I need to see Shepard's body, I just hope it wasn't disintigrated by Harbinger or something".

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Joker risking everyone and everything to save his ships. Sounds in-character to me.

The only person Joker EVER risked to save the SR-1 in ME2 was himself.
He didn't think Shepard would march up there to rescue him. That Shepard died due to that has haunted him ever since. He risked the SR-2 to get Shepard out of the Collector Base. He ran outside himself to shoot Collectors in the face and help Shepard.

Don't tell me that Joker is a coward who puts the ship before all others with a straight face.

Isn't that a commendable attitude? The only good ending is the one I like and therefore, to expand on the other endings for the people who do like them would be a waste of resources.
Very open minded and fair handed.

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

[Stygian1]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Joker risking everyone and everything to save his ships. Sounds in-character to me.

Missing the point. Synthesis represents the ending's worst narrative failure, a total violation of the entire trilogy's themes.
Ideally, it needs to be deleted. But since some people out there astoundingly seems to like this vile, disgusting ending, let it stay. But adding to it is a waste of resources.

Isn't that a commendable attitude? The only good ending is the one I like and therefore, to expand on the other endings for the people who do like them would be a waste of resources.
Very open minded and fair handed.

When does Joker risk everyone to simply save his ship in the trilogy before this? Secondly, why does he think his ship is in danger at all? Thirdly, what does he possibly think he will achieve by running away? 

And you seem to be be missing the point, Synthesis is objectively bad. It's not just that everyone hates it.

It defies the entire point of every underlining theme of the entire trilogy as well as promoting galactic rape. This is of course ignoring the entire fact that it is also illogical and senseless and seems like something a twelve year old would think of in a rushed short story for an eighth grade writing class. 

EDIT: Argh, the angry one beat my response time by a minute. Damn you! 

Modifié par Stygian1, 01 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

It's hard to be excited by anything Bioware says anymore.

Unless it was a Zevran x Wrex porn announcement or something.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Which actually might be telling. Every true AI in the series thus far (the upgraded Geth, EDI, the Zha'til) are due to Reaper code. Maybe you need that gestalt to break the barrier between "complex VI" and "true AI."

Regardless, if it doesn't target Reaper code and just blanket hits synthetics, that makes the Geth's destruction even more assured.

Or they could make it so it's an anti Reaper signal. Because THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

As for why - because if they didn't, there'd be no debate over the other two endings. They'd be written off as mission failure/indoctrination even worse than they are now.

Then that's a failure to present the other two endings properly.

And you've made it clear that you won't accept any possible reason for him doing so no matter what they say, so why are you even here?

The entire scene is stupid, and needs to be deleted and replaced. It's worthless. It makes no sense. Nobody likes it, only the most hardcore of ending-likers even bother to defend this atrocity.

And who decides what the "themes of Mass Effect" are? The writers, or The Angry One?

The games do, they present the themes. Mac Walters is no one to alter the theme in the last 10 minutes, lead writer or no. If he wants to come up with a story about the inevitability of conflict between organics and synthetics he is welcome to write his own from scratch.

[The Angry One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Devil Mingy wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There is no good reason.
Joker would not do this. It is out of character. The whole galaxy could be exploding, and Joker would stay for Shepard.

Unless he thinks Shepard is dead.

Also you're not going to like the EC so are you going to do something about it?

Why would Joker think Shepard is dead? Hackett talks to him not 4 minutes before the Crucible activation.

Not to mention that Joker would not flee based on what he THINKS. He would make damn sure Shepard was dead, and by damn sure I mean seeing the body with his own eyes.

Yet in the ending, he doesn't even use the radio! Come on.

"I need to see Shepard's body, I just hope it wasn't disintigrated by Harbinger or something".

Yeah, like the squadmates were. Like Anderson was. Like several elements of Hammer were. Like Shepard isn't communicating with Hackett.

Are you even reading what you're typing? Good god.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

How so?
It doesn't destroy diversity (unless, again, you believe there is no diversity between humans and chimps), it doesn't eliminate our differences (Joker and EDI stayed distinct), It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options, and friendship appears intact as well.