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[Velocithon]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote... 
I would  only hope they concentrate on things that don't go against the themes of Mass Effect.

And who decides what the "themes of Mass Effect" are? The writers, or The Angry One?

LMAO. Just shut up already.

It's quite obvious he's implying to the themes that game has followed two entire games and the majority of another. Such as diversity, unification, reconciling past differences, honor, etc etc...

Saying "And who decides what the "themes of Mass Effect" are? The writers, or The Angry One?" sounds like you're just trolling now.

[Deltoran]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Angry One wrote... 
I would  only hope they concentrate on things that don't go against the themes of Mass Effect.

And who decides what the "themes of Mass Effect" are? The writers, or The Angry One?

So...you're arguing that because the writers came up with Mass Effect and its themes that they should just be able to change them in the last 10 minutes of the trilogy and we should just deal with it?  Maybe they do decide on the themes originally...that doesn't mean they should throw away the themes they've made obvious and important through all three games at the end.  That's just poor storytelling.

Modifié par Deltoran, 01 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[NUM13ER]

They've hopefully been working away for some time, the start of summers a month away after all. I am worried they'll focus more on synthesis since that's apparently the "best" option, at least the way some BioWare staff have tried to paint it. I don't mind it if that's their opinion so long as the other options get equal attention.

Though I worry they'll favour synthesis in order to try and shoehorn me into it. It won't convince if thats the case simply because I found synthesis to be wrong on so many levels. Not just on a logical basis but also morally unspeakable.

[incinerator950]

The Angry One wrote...


No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

Diversity through hundreds of re-skinned gear and Eragon quality sci-fi writing!
Unity in several reskinned helmets and Alien lookalikes, as well as an ending in every game that's the same, with minor changes!
Defy your enemy by saying you will, and then proceed to do it!  Also includes the same motivation against slavers, pirates, mercenaries, polar bears, and Crabs.
Rely on your friends who blindly follow you!  You have the spark of destiny, and Ultramarines level plot armor!

[Triceratops]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...


It's hard to be excited by anything Bioware says anymore.

Unless it was a Zevran x Wrex porn announcement or something.

Well, now I know what I'll be thinking about when I'm trying to sleep tonight.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

How so?
It doesn't destroy diversity (unless, again, you believe there is no diversity between humans and chimps), it doesn't eliminate our differences (Joker and EDI stayed distinct),

The base philosophy behind it is to eliminate diversity and difference, if it does not then it is pointless (from the Catalyst's POV).

It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options,

Doing EXACTLY what the leader of the Reapers wants is defiance?

and friendship appears intact as well.

All the endings violate this, I should've been more clear, because they completely ignore the characters we've come to love.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
The only person Joker EVER risked to save the SR-1 in ME2 was himself.
He didn't think Shepard would march up there to rescue him. That Shepard died due to that has haunted him ever since. He risked the SR-2 to get Shepard out of the Collector Base. He ran outside himself to shoot Collectors in the face and help Shepard.

Don't tell me that Joker is a coward who puts the ship before all others with a straight face.

No, he just tought Shepard would leave him behind to die for a charring piece of metal. Because that is something Shepard has the tendency of doing.
Shepard should probrably consider himself luck the Normandy was still there at the end of ME2. A few more seconds and Joker would have pulled a Cartman "Screw you commander, I'm going home."

No, the only good endings are ones that preserve the core themes of Mass Effect.

Strength in diversity.
Unity in our differences.
Defiance of the Reapers.
Reliance on our friends.

Synthesis violates all of these.

Oh, because you know what are the themes of Mass Effect better than the writers.
Hey, here's an idea, maybe if Bioware expands on Synthesis, you will see that it does not contradict your so called "core themes of Mass Effect".
But no, ruined forever. Let's delete it.

[incinerator950]

The Angry One wrote...

It's no less defiant to the Reapers than any of the Crucible's other options,

Doing EXACTLY what the leader of the Reapers wants is defiance?

By these thought processes, I should be able to not become a Spectre, side with Sovereign, and then make out with Councilor Tevos on a award ceremony for having Sovereign become a Nation-state within the Council.  

[MisterJB]

incinerator950 wrote...
Diversity through hundreds of re-skinned gear and Eragon quality sci-fi writing!

Hey now! No need to get nasty in here. Let's all take a step back and calm down.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 mai 2012 - 12:03 .

[MageTarot]

Kunari801 wrote...

At least one voice actor is recording this week so work has been going on for awhile. Productiion I think started a week or so ago.

Which actor, please?

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

No, he just tought Shepard would leave him behind to die for a charring piece of metal. Because that is something Shepard has the tendency of doing.

What?

Shepard should probrably consider himself luck the Normandy was still there at the end of ME2. A few more seconds and Joker would have pulled a Cartman "Screw you commander, I'm going home."

2/10 trolling points for effort.

Oh, because you know what are the themes of Mass Effect better than the writers.

Frankly, my cat knows what the themes of Mass Effect are better than Walters.

Hey, here's an idea, maybe if Bioware expands on Synthesis, you will see that it does not contradict your so called "core themes of Mass Effect".
But no, ruined forever. Let's delete it.

To even make that begin to work they'd have to retcon the Catalyst from the ground up to make him not the leader of the Reapers.

Wait no! It still wouldn't work, because it's imposing change on every living thing in the galaxy.
You may not have a problem with that, Mr. Husk Avatar, but a lot of us do.

[Taboo]

MageTarot wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

At least one voice actor is recording this week so work has been going on for awhile. Productiion I think started a week or so ago.

Which actor, please?

Helfer. They started. Just like I said they would given time.

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah, like the squadmates were. Like Anderson was. Like several elements of Hammer were. Like Shepard isn't communicating with Hackett.

Are you even reading what you're typing? Good god.

"Where's Shepard? Surely, despite the fact we can't find him and everyone else here is dead, he's alive."

But also I'm am actually shocked, I think you're making a breakthrough, are you actually beginning to speculate?

Seeing as though literally nothing I can say will convince you, as you already gave me this challenge previously and I nailed it and you disappeared, like that time when you made the thread saying the ending isn't artistic and then disappeared when it got shot down, how about you put to use to only thing you seem to do around here, complain about the ending, and actually detail what you think will be a good explanation for Joker fleeing in the EC?

Remember you can't say nothing/remove it as we know the EC isn't gonna do that.

[The Angry One]

MageTarot wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

At least one voice actor is recording this week so work has been going on for awhile. Productiion I think started a week or so ago.

Which actor, please?

Tricia Helfer (EDI) tweeted she was doing voice work on Monday.

[CSunkyst]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I fully expect the following things:

- Condescension (because we're too stupid to have understood Mac Walters' grand vision as it was)
- Unecesarry exposition (no, I do not need to see the Geth die in destroy, thanks)
- Useless fluff (no I don't care how long the Reapers have been reaping, that was never an issue)
- Insulting explanation for Joker running away (if you have someone order Joker to flee, then that person becomes an idiot, and Joker is still an idiot for obeying them)
- Extended synthesis ending (this ending disgusts me and always will disgust me. I don't want to see Joker and EDI making out in paradise. That is not what I played Mass Effect for).

Looks like you're gonna hate it.

What do you plan on doing about it?

"Goodbye Mass Effect, it was nice having you on my hard drive.   I had fun while it lasted, but you've changed, and I'm just not into the Emo scene."

Modifié par CSunkyst, 02 mai 2012 - 12:08 .

[The Angry One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

"Where's Shepard? Surely, despite the fact we can't find him and everyone else here is dead, he's alive."

"I have an idea! Let us use the radio to establish communcation with Shepard!"

But also I'm am actually shocked, I think you're making a breakthrough, are you actually beginning to speculate?

I am stating facts, presented in the game.

Seeing as though literally nothing I can say will convince you, as you already gave me this challenge previously and I nailed it and you disappeared, like that time when you made the thread saying the ending isn't artistic and then disappeared when it got shot down,

I see lying is your strong suit.
I mean, seriously? How does a claim that the ending is not artistic get "shot down"?
I have no idea what topic you're talking about in any case.

how about you put to use to only thing you seem to do around here, complain about the ending, and actually detail what you think will be a good explanation for Joker fleeing in the EC?

There is no possible explanation. It is out of character. The fleeing and crash scenes are unecesarry and need to be cut. They have no dialog in any case, they are expendable.

Remember you can't say nothing/remove it as we know the EC isn't gonna do that.

Well, to be credible. It must. The Normandy scene is a failboat to nowhere. It could be entirely removed and replaced with absolutely NO changes to the rest of the ending. Literally, nothing.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 mai 2012 - 12:10 .

[PsyrenY]

Velocithon wrote...

LMAO. Just shut up already.

no u 

Deltoran wrote...

So...you're arguing that because the writers came up with Mass Effect and its themes that they should just be able to change them in the last 10 minutes of the trilogy and we should just deal with it?  Maybe they do decide on the themes originally...that doesn't mean they should throw away the themes they've made obvious and important through all three games at the end.  That's just poor storytelling.

I agree with you that the endings as presented were poor. But we can still incorporate the themes listed above without trashing the current endings. That's where our disconnect lies.

The Angry One wrote...

The base philosophy behind it is to eliminate diversity and difference, if it does not then it is pointless (from the Catalyst's POV).

You say "diversity and difference" like there is only one kind. Organic/synthetic is hardly the only divide in the galaxy. By that logic, Destroy also eliminates diversity, because then there are only organics left.

Doing EXACTLY what the leader of the Reapers wants is defiance?

None of the options is "defiance." He's helping you do ALL of them, remember?

All the endings violate this, I should've been more clear, because they completely ignore the characters we've come to love.

They survive; that is the baseline. Once you establish that, you can add in any number of epilogues via clarification DLC.

[nicksmi56]

Not excited. This can't really do anything substantial IMHO

[daecath]

LTKerr wrote...

Two months ago they were pleased with the ME3 ending as well

This

irishScott3 wrote...

Translation: ZOMG let's build hype again! Gaming media building hype!

Sorry Bioware, not this time.

plus this
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I suppose it's not totally outside the realm of possibility that they can produce an ending that sticks to what they've said the EC will be, but that is satisfying. It's also not outside the realm of possibility that I would find a winning lotto ticket after being struck by lightning. Twice. I hold little hope though. More likely is that it will actually be worse due to more space magic to explain all the plot holes.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Opti, no one defended the destroy ending either,go away

[Velocithon]

If Joker had to flee, it would be because Shepard told him so. Just like in ME2.

Joker: "Shepard! Give me your location!"
Shepard: "Negative! There's no time. Pick up [squadmate 1] and [squadmate 2] from ground and get the hell out of here!"
Joker: "No way I'm not leaving without-"
Shepard: "That's an order, Joker...please."
Joker: "It's been an honor."

TWO plot holes solved right there.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
What?

Joker had to know that if he wouldn't leave, Shepard would come in to rescue him. So, yes, he did take a conscious choice to risk his commander and friend for a destroyed ship.
No, it's not in his character to chicken out and abandon everyone but also don't try to paint him as someone who would stand with Shepard in spite of everything. Joker can be selfish.

Frankly, my cat knows what the themes of Mass Effect are better than Walters.

Sure and people call me arrogant just because I prever one ending over another.

To even make that begin to work they'd have to retcon the Catalyst from the ground up to make him not the leader of the Reapers.

Wait no! It still wouldn't work, because it's imposing change on every living thing in the galaxy.
You may not have a problem with that, Mr. Husk Avatar, but a lot of us do.

Because Harbinger as the leader of the Reapers attacking Earth, as extablished by the codex, is fine but, somehow, the Catalyst is unforgivable.

How you play your game is none of my concern. But don't assume that what you believe to be right or wrong is an absolute truth for every Shepard out there or Mass Effect in general.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[incinerator950]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Opti, no one defended the destroy ending either,go away

Nonsense! 

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

You say "diversity and difference" like there is only one kind. Organic/synthetic is hardly the only divide in the galaxy. By that logic, Destroy also eliminates diversity, because then there are only organics left.

I've said all 3 endings follow intolerant Reaper philosophy in their own ways, and they do.
This is why I detest all of them, destroy is merely the lesser of 3 evils.

However, destroy at least keeps organics distinct, with the promise of distinct synthetics in the future. Synthesis mashes them together for the rest of time. No difference. No change. Homogenisation.

None of the options is "defiance." He's helping you do ALL of them, remember?

See above.

They survive; that is the baseline. Once you establish that, you can add in any number of epilogues via clarification DLC.

This was not a fight to survive for survival's sake. This was supposed to be a fight to preserve what we knew and loved against the Reapers.

[Taboo]

Velocithon wrote...

If Joker had to flee, it would be because Shepard told him so. Just like in ME2.

Joker: "Shepard! Give me your location!"
Shepard: "Negative! There's no time. Pick up [squadmate 1] and [squadmate 2] from ground and get the hell out of here!"
Joker: "No way I'm not leaving without-"
Shepard: "That's an order, Joker...please."
Joker: "It's been an honor."

TWO plot holes solved right there.