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[gearseffect]

I'm not getting my hopes up, I mean with this track record right here
1.ME3 MultiPlayer Component BW continues to tell fans 'Don't worry we know that ME3 will be the best game and all our loyal fans will be satisfied"

2,ME3 leaked characters scripts fans are upset with Jacob Taylor, Thane, Samara, and I recall a few upset Miri fans. BW tells fans "Oh don't worry those were early drafts much of those things were fixed, trust us we are absolutely sure all of the fans will be 100% satisfied with ME3."

3.Game comes out and what was changed in the leaked scripts? Well these characters here got massively cut, Kelly Chambers, Zaeed, Kasumi, Matriarch Aethyta, Balek, Vido Santiago (if he was alive) and those are just the ones off the top of my head.

4.Other things that were cut from the leaked scripts, Illium, stopping Thessia from falling (or maybe it was retaking Thessia I can't rember now),

5.Uncertain if there was ever any work done on this but recall that someone from BW said that ME3, would bring players back to Virmire, Feros, and Noveria, and fans would also get to visit the Turian home world of Palaven. Illium and Omega would also be returning.

So Each time I've hard BW say that fans can rest assured they will be satisfied, well lets just say actions speak louder than words, I'll believe the Extended Cut is worth a cr@p once I've seen it and if we can Play it Play it.As far as I've heard and know I don't think that there will be any further gameplay with the EC?

[Cainora]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly, I feel like the EC is going to be another thing that will hurt the inside of my anus. 

I'm going to go with this, if the EC DLC makes the ending any better in any way shape or form I'll be genuinely surprised.

[SimplePlan2k8]

I'm just not interested now BioWare... You ruined ME3, a trivial DLC isn't going to fix the months of disappointment

[The Angry One]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Has no one studied narrative psychology?

Does anyone else know that leaving the audience with TOO many questions is a bad thing? That the only good type of speculation is the Hanekian kind? The one that doesn't insult the audience because it DOESN'T allow emotional investment.

Well?

Can't say I have, but it makes sense. There's good speculation where it's relatively isolated and not a major part of the plot versus bad speculation where it's the opposite.

Wish they would've went with the good.

Here's how I view it.

Good speculation: What were the Reapers' true motives? Was it beyond a need for reproduction? How do they really think?

Bad speculation: What the hell happened to... everyone.. everywhere? What just happened? 

It seems BioWare got these two mixed up.

[Velocithon]

MisterJB wrote...

Velocithon wrote...
Demoralize? How?

How is leaving to try and save the Commander who just ended the damn war demoralizing? I'm sure Sword would be like "DUDE GO SAVE HER!!!"

Because Joker did not enter Earth's orbit to help Shepard.
He left the Sol system, abandoned the final battle, hauled his ass through the Charon Relay as fast as he could.

Then have him enter and try to save Shepard?

Your post doesn't make sense. He also left Sol AFTER he would've rescued the squad mates. 

[nitefyre410]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

I'm just not interested now BioWare... You ruined ME3, a trivial DLC isn't going to fix the months of disappointment

 

^ this. 

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
And then you go to the Citadel and hear about how everybody's pissed off at you for being a jerk.

Which is fine, but again, the themes are still there, and ME3 railroads you into violating them no matter what.

"Conflict breads greatness" as evidence by how the turians have begun building more dreadnoughts.
Maybe that is the theme. It's as valid as anything you have presented.

Only if Wrex is dead, otherwise the game beats you over the head with the idea that the Krogan at least deserve another chance.

No. The game presents both sides always. It shows that there is hope for the krogan (the temple of the acient which always appears) but also that krogan are violent by nature  and reproduce too quickly.
Regardless of the intention of the leader, krogan expansion might be unstopable.

Defeat means stop and hold to account. This does not happen in synthesis. At all.

Stopping them is enough which we did. Wether or not they will be held accountable, maybe that will be explained in the EC you so want to see undone.
We don't even know if the Reapers did what they did out of their free will or if they were controlled by the Reapers and were freed by Synthesis.

[zarnk567]

Sorry...... But after DA2, TOR and ME3 I will wait to see the EC before I start believing anything Bioware or it's employees say.

Modifié par zarnk567, 02 mai 2012 - 01:00 .

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Has no one studied narrative psychology?

Does anyone else know that leaving the audience with TOO many questions is a bad thing? That the only good type of speculation is the Hanekian kind? The one that doesn't insult the audience because it DOESN'T allow emotional investment.

Well?

Can't say I have, but it makes sense. There's good speculation where it's relatively isolated and not a major part of the plot versus bad speculation where it's the opposite.

Wish they would've went with the good.

Here's how I view it.

Good speculation: What were the Reapers' true motives? Was it beyond a need for reproduction? How do they really think?

Bad speculation: What the hell happened to... everyone.. everywhere? What just happened? 

It seems BioWare got these two mixed up.

I'm still in awe over the mistake here.

Pure ****ing awe.

Mind blowing, MIND BLOWING.

It insults the audience so much it's not even funny.

It reminds me of Andy Warhol films. 

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 mai 2012 - 12:59 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm still in awe over the mistake here.

Pure ****ing awe.

Mind blowing, MIND BLOWING.

It insults the audience so much it's not even funny.

It reminds me of Andy Warhol films. 

Wait, Soup Can Man made films? FILMS?!

Oh good lord...

[flexxdk]

Whatever.

By the time it is released, I probably will no longer be interested in it anyway.

It's better to remain skeptical as well. I don't believe that they'll do much about the ending, other than showing how Joker & Squadmates poop bricks and run away.

[ShepnTali]

Yeah, speculation over reapers motivations would have been the best kind. They blew it AND got it backwards.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 02 mai 2012 - 01:02 .

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

"Conflict breads greatness" as evidence by how the turians have begun building more dreadnoughts.
Maybe that is the theme. It's as valid as anything you have presented.

Ironic considering that at the end, there is no conflict, only meek obedience to the overarching nemesis.
So hey ME3's ending violates even the themes you make up.

No. The game presents both sides always. It shows that there is hope for the krogan (the temple of the acient which always appears) but also that krogan are violent by nature  and reproduce too quickly.

Regardless of the intention of the leader, krogan expansion might be unstopable.

Which is overshadowed by the fact that Wrex and Eve are continually presented as wise and capable leaders.

Stopping them is enough which we did. Wether or not they will be held accountable, maybe that will be explained in the EC you so want to see undone.

In synthesis the Reapers can do what they want, the EC won't change that if they won't retcon anything.

We don't even know if the Reapers did what they did out of their free will or if they were controlled by the Reapers and were freed by Synthesis.

Harbinger and Sovereign revelled in their actions. Sovereign despised organics. These weren't the words of even an indoctrinated mind. Whatever the Catalyst's level of control, they enjoyed their actions.
They deserve nothing.

[TheGreenAlloy]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Yeah and you know what? Not saving the Council is generally regarded in ME2 as A Bad Thing.
You're trying to use the negative outcomes of going against the theme as proof of anything? That's just proof of how badly the endings violate these themes. Because there is no choice. You, Shepard, do not get to follow or betray the themes by choice. You follow one path to the end, and that path betrays everything about Mass Effect.

Even an ultra renegade believes in their friends and the ultimate goal of defeating, DEFEATING the Reapers.
The endings violate even that.

Stop regarding one way of looking at Mass Effect as the correct one. Miranda says humanity's position in the galaxy is stronger than ever; that spells a Good Thing to me.

That happens either way, I think.

Oh, and The Angry One is correct in this general regard. Mass Effect has prominent themes of Strength in Unity and Diversity and singing Kombayah and stuff.

[Persephone]

Good to know they're giving it their all. Hope the result is worth it.

Yeah, not spewing venom....because I'm glad that someone is giving out SOME information.

[Ticonderoga117]

The Angry One wrote...
Harbinger and Sovereign revelled in their actions. Sovereign despised organics. These weren't the words of even an indoctrinated mind. Whatever the Catalyst's level of control, they enjoyed their actions.
They deserve nothing.

Don't forget Soverign didn't exactly like Synthetics either. The Heretic Geth worship it and Soverign only kept them around to be used as tools.

[incinerator950]

The Angry One wrote...

Revelling in something usually means you laugh, sing, and otherwise enjoy something more then the next guy.

All I've heard from the three Reapers we've talked to is that it is not only inevitable, it's necisary. 

[Phydeaux314]

I have no idea what they're going to do. At all.

Seriously. This could go all sorts of different ways.

[ShadowFaction]

incinerator950 wrote...
Actually, lets just pretend its not there, like the Welsh.

Hey hey now, this thread is a place of positivity and bright futures, no need to bring it down! 

That aside, I don't believe the EC can solve much of anything, perhaps make the endings more tolerable. The biggest reason in my mind is the Cruicible beam seems to do a completely different thing depending on your ending choice, regardless of EMS or anything else(Assuming you have a high enough EMS to not fail and have all endings.)

Destroy: Kills all Reapers and 'all synthetic life' indiscriminately, which is suggested to include Shepard, and seems to definitely include EDI and the geth. I also assume this means all VI's.

Control: Controls... only Reapers? Why doesn't it control the geth and EDI, given they are aparently partly Reaper 'code'. Given that the destroy ending beam is regulated similar to how a kid in a sparkling light store pumped full of laughing gas might be, why is Control somehow able to only target Reapers themselves?

Synthesis: Given that this... lightsplosion is also indiscriminate, this places the Control ending on a second broken leg out of three, which to me, means it topples over. And, yes, I agree now with incinerator, it doesn't exist, like the Wel- hey!

All the beams seem to do different things even beyond their focus or lack there of. The destroy beam destroys, yet somehow the same basic beam, this time without broken paipes and liberal Shepard seasoning, somehow ...mixes organic and synthetic life? As a general rule I'm unwilling to believe pretty colors are capable of rewriting the very foundation of all existing life in the galaxy with little but a passing glance. At least until the history channel tells me its possible.


Those tiny issues aside, I find it tough to understand how Garrus would consent to leaving broShep behind on Earth, or how Joker doesn't overhear Hackett talking to Shepard, nor even try to contact Shepard, despite having a comm system that can link to the entire victory fleet, yet not listen in on the de facto leader of humanity.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
Ironic considering that at the end, there is no conflict, only meek obedience to the overarching nemesis.
So hey ME3's ending violates even the themes you make up.

Hey, you keep making up your own themes so, I felt like contributing.
Also, this notion that Shepard somehow obeys the Catalyst is ridiculous. And even more so if you truly believe that agreeing with anything it might say equals subservience.

Which is overshadowed by the fact that Wrex and Eve are continually presented as wise and capable leaders.

They are presented as good intentioned leaders. But Wrex himself shows no problems with forcefully leaving Tuchanka if the krogan are not granted a new world and there were already signs of dissention amongst the clans in the form of Wreav and his supporters.

In synthesis the Reapers can do what they want, the EC won't change that if they won't retcon anything.

If the Reapers are granted freedom, some might choose to attone for what they did.
And again, I don't see why destroying the Reapers is a must. We already have peace.
Maybe the threat of the Reapers returning will actually incentivate the different species to keep friendly relations.

Harbinger and Sovereign revelled in their actions. Sovereign despised organics. These weren't the words of even an indoctrinated mind. Whatever the Catalyst's level of control, they enjoyed their actions.
They deserve nothing.

Hardly. Harbinger and Sovereign treated organics as ants which is natural because they are in a completely differnt leven of existance.
Would you call an adult man who crushes ants "Evil"? Hell, they weren't evne crushing ants. They were raising the ants to their level to stop their extinction.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 mai 2012 - 01:15 .

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

Look at me! I didn't remember a topic I made a month ago! Whoopdeefreakingdoo.

No, the lying part was you "shooting it down". Thou dost think too much of thineself.

I'm gonna be honest, I actually laughed out loud when you accused me of being a liar. Out of all the nonsense responses I expected (I never ran away/you never shot me down) I honestly never thought you'd say I'm a liar and you conveniently can't remember that thread. The amount of backpedaling you'll have to do now is insane, and frankly "Lying is your strong suit" and "I'm barely here anymore" has told me more about you than all the backpedaling will, so I'm not going to bother with this section of the conversation anymore.

The Angry One wrote...

I'm challenging you to speculate now? Whatever.
No. You asked for my solution. I gave it. The scene needs to be deleted and replaced. The end. The scene as is does not work, and cannot work under any circumstance. That's my point.

Actually if I recall you were challenging people to explain it without space magic or plot holes, and were keeping a tally on who took up the challenge (it was no one apparently), I did it successfully and you disappeared. Again. As for the second paragraph:

The Angry One wrote...

And don't you realise how petty is it to spend more time complaining about one thing you don't like than you did playing the entire series? Especially as you said you're barely here anymore.

I've never made personal jabs against you, why must you continually do it to me?

I'm going to make this perfectly clear. The time I spend here is none of your god damn business.
I will now ignore anything you say related to this from now on, either stick to the argument or go pester someone else.

I'm pointing out how petty your actions are, if you changed your actions then my words would be meaningless, it's not a personal jab against you it's a jab against your actions. The reason why I ask is because I'm genuingly interested, you spend an absurd amount of time here appearing in a ton of threads complaining about the ending yet you don't seem to be doing anything about all that complaining. You absolutely have the right to complain, but that doesn't forbid people from pointing out you could be doing something constructive about it as well.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 02 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[Persephone]

ShadowFaction wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
Actually, lets just pretend its not there, like the Welsh.

Hey hey now, this thread is a place of positivity and bright futures, no need to bring it down! 

Sarcasm, I hope. Given that all that is said is venom, hyperbole & bashing. Nothing positive whatsoever.

[cutegigi]

why is this over reliance of tweeter still continue ?
too difficult to make official announcement in official place like BSN or Bioware's blog ?

[Jedifan421]

SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE! But seriously, can't wait to see what BioWare pulls out of their ass for the EC. Hopefully, it's satisfying but I highly doubt it.