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[pro5]

POST-Extended Cut UPDATE:

When making this video, I was sure the EC was going to make it obsolete soon by providing clarity and illustrating the ideology behind each choice better than any fan-made video ever could.

But it looks like this video is still as actual and useful now as ever, and will remain so - because Bioware, for reasons known only to them, chose to leave the ending ambigious and open to interpretation.

At least they made it clear *what* the Child really is... (EC spoiler alert: if you haven't tried shooting the kid or picking the new option to Reject his choices - you've missed a hell of a clue).

Oh, and the new wording of the Synthesis presentation by the Catalyst... It's brilliant, Bioware. Well done. I briefly considered making a new video just to spell it out for those who still can't make the connection, but why bother - this one already has all the puzzle pieces lined out... Hint: 30:27 and onwards in the vid.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW:

In one of the post-PAX panel threads, I saw a paraphrased quote given by someone who interviewed the writers at the convention.

It went something like this: "Their [writers'] vision was pretty much what you saw, but with more focus on the detail. They wanted the players to use their knowledge of the lore and look for subtle differences in the endings to piece together what happened".

I decided to go and do just that, since we have nothing better to do anyway until the Extended Cut limps along.

This video is the result of my attempts:

and it's my new interpretation of the ending.

Warning - it's over 40 min long, so get comfortable if you decide to watch it.

Let me know what you think.

DinoSteve wrote...

op can you just post a conclusion?

I could, but I'd rather not.

The thing is, anything I say on this forum is just me saying something on this forum. The video is 40+ min long for exactly the very reason that I try to confirm every statement I make and answer every question I ask with a direct quote from the game.

The explanation of Synthesis is the juicy part in the video. If you stop before that moment - you have no idea what it is about. (skip to 28:00 if you absolutely don't want to watch the whole thing)

Modifié par pro5, 27 juin 2012 - 03:32 .

[pro5]

Bump for FTL forums.

[pro5]

pro5 wrote...

Bump for FTL forums.

[Wabajakka]

Watching now... Not bad so far.

So far I'm glad you're pointing out why destroy is the option that all the good characters agree with and only the villans try to convince you otherwise. People need to remember that fact, it's very important.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 02 mai 2012 - 04:30 .

[Wabajakka]

I'm gunna bump for you lol.

I really liked the video, well done. You pointed out what I think a TON of people just missed out on. The fact that there is absolutely ZERO people who aren't entirely evil that suggest control or synthesis as an option to Shepard. At no point, throughout the entire series are these options considered by any of the characters we have grown to love so much, yet some people have the nerve to forget it all and believe the villans and that this "catalyst" kid (the king of Reapers no less lol) was what convinced them to believe it.

You may be interested in my thread as well, I also adress the same issues with the ending and why an expansion that happens after ending is exactly what we may be getting. Tell me what you think.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 02 mai 2012 - 05:14 .

[Ombot]

This...is really good. It doesn't have any voiceover, but that doesn't detract from it at all. Nail-on-the-head analysis of why destroy is the only choice.

[Wabajakka]

Opsrbest wrote...

And if the endings are literal?

God help us all.

and BW loses a lot of fans and money...

Modifié par Orange Tee, 02 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Ombot]

Opsrbest wrote...

And if the endings are literal?

I believe you mean, "And if starchild is speaking the truth?"
Then the writers just took their franchise out back and shot it in the head. And then buried the body in an unmarked grave, never to be found again.

Modifié par Ombot, 02 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Can0fCorn]

Seriously, the ending of this game makes me sick. It's good to have another voice logically explaining this.

[acidic-ph0]

An excellent interpretation! Thanks for putting so much work into this.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

op can you just post a conclusion?

[Sisterofshane]

Just watched and I would like to say, just wow!

The video makes sense even if you don't ascribe to Indoctrination Theory.

[Bill Casey]

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON

GARRUS AFTER HORIZON

GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

Modifié par Bill Casey, 02 mai 2012 - 06:48 .

[Bill Casey]

DinoSteve wrote...

op can you just post a conclusion?

Your allies tell you to destroy the reapers...
You enemies promote the other two options...

[PsyrenY]

A 40-minute video to explain "Synthesis = Saren = EEEEEVIL!" Why do you need that much time to commit association fallacy?

Nothing new to see here.

[Bill Casey]

Optimystic_X wrote...

A 40-minute video to explain "Synthesis = Saren = EEEEEVIL!" Why do you need that much time to commit association fallacy?

Nothing new to see here.

Listen to yourself, you're indoctrinated...

[Sisterofshane]

Optimystic_X wrote...

A 40-minute video to explain "Synthesis = Saren = EEEEEVIL!" Why do you need that much time to commit association fallacy?

Nothing new to see here.

Actually, it's a forty minute video explaining why the rest of the ME series totally negates the Control and Synthesis options.

They are literally/figuratively everything that you have been fighting against for nearly 100 hours of gameplay.

[PsyrenY]

Bill Casey wrote...

Listen to yourself, you're indoctrinated...

On these boards,"You're indoctrinated" = "I disagree with you, but don't actually have a coherent argument." 

Sisterofshane wrote...

Actually, it's a forty minute video explaining why the rest of the ME series totally negates the Control and Synthesis options.

They are literally/figuratively everything that you have been fighting against for nearly 100 hours of gameplay.

You were fighting against TIM and Saren. It's quite possible, and indeed rather easy, to divorce the men from their beliefs.

Think about the ideas in a vacuum. If TIM and Saren had never mentioned anything close to Control or Synthesis, and you thought Destroy was the only option all along - then you got up there to the Catalyst and found out the collateral damage involved with Destroy, would you honestly rush over to that pipe without even considering the other two? Do you truly have no compunctions about dooming the Geth?

And yes, blah blah the Catalyst is lying. Assume he is telling the truth for one second. What would you do?

[Sisterofshane]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Listen to yourself, you're indoctrinated...

On these boards,"You're indoctrinated" = "I disagree with you, but don't actually have a coherent argument." 

Sisterofshane wrote...

Actually, it's a forty minute video explaining why the rest of the ME series totally negates the Control and Synthesis options.

They are literally/figuratively everything that you have been fighting against for nearly 100 hours of gameplay.

You were fighting against TIM and Saren. It's quite possible, and indeed rather easy, to divorce the men from their beliefs.

Think about the ideas in a vacuum. If TIM and Saren had never mentioned anything close to Control or Synthesis, and you thought Destroy was the only option all along - then you got up there to the Catalyst and found out the collateral damage involved with Destroy, would you honestly rush over to that pipe without even considering the other two? Do you truly have no compunctions about dooming the Geth?

And yes, blah blah the Catalyst is lying. Assume he is telling the truth for one second. What would you do?

Okay, let's look at it from a story telling perspective.  The Catalyst is telling the truth, but the author is literally telling us to go against everything we ever really understand about the story and it's themes?  Removing TIM and Saren from the narrative (or just removing the control/synthesis dialogue) would just make the entire ending confusing and convoluted.

Getting rid of negative foreshadowing does not suddenly make the ending make "sense".  It would, in fact, make the ending more confusing.

And, like the video describes, it is hard to divorce the two men from the beliefs when they were literally tools of the enemy (thank you indoctrination).  So , just as the video described, you have two options that are only endorsed by the Reapers (and their tools), and one option that has been offered up by every single other character, many of which we spent three games forming deep and personal connections with.

It may not have been Bioware's intention, but they pretty much wrote every ending but destroy into a hole.

[PsyrenY]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Okay, let's look at it from a story telling perspective.  The Catalyst is telling the truth, but the author is literally telling us to go against everything we ever really understand about the story and it's themes?  Removing TIM and Saren from the narrative (or just removing the control/synthesis dialogue) would just make the entire ending confusing and convoluted.

Getting rid of negative foreshadowing does not suddenly make the ending make "sense".  It would, in fact, make the ending more confusing.

And, like the video describes, it is hard to divorce the two men from the beliefs when they were literally tools of the enemy (thank you indoctrination).  So , just as the video described, you have two options that are only endorsed by the Reapers (and their tools), and one option that has been offered up by every single other character, many of which we spent three games forming deep and personal connections with.

It may not have been Bioware's intention, but they pretty much wrote every ending but destroy into a hole.

The whole point of the Crucible is so that you can remove those two from Control and Synthesis. "The Crucible changed me - created new possibilities." In other words, the Control and Synthesis you see are explicitly not the Control and Synthesis that they saw. The Catalyst even tells you that TIM's version of Control was doomed to fail. 

Simply put - as the Reapers were, Destroy was indeed the only option. The Reapers were impossible to co-operate with or to control. But the super-device you spent the entire game building changed that.

Finally, the only ending you can even consider "endorsed" is Synthesis. The Catalyst is totally indifferent towards Control and Destroy ("eh, you can try these if you want, but I don't think they'll work long-term") and only slightly less indifferent toward Synthesis ("I think this will really end the cycle, but I won't stop you from picking the others.")

[Ultra Prism]

Cool video still gonna wait what extended cut will have

[Baldrick67]

That was great.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make it (must of taken many hours).

That Bioware, is one of your fans showing his/her affection for the ME series.

[hljhodr_sunda]

Awesome! Bump for you!