DA2 isn't dead, it's just pining for the fjords.
So is DA2 dead?
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 09:44
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Someone summoned the spirit of Monty Python?:OAllow me to wrap myself in quotations also,just for the laughs:P
And no,DA2 is not dead...its remains are hopefully being transformed into The Next Thing ™.
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The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.
Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Someone summoned the spirit of Monty Python?:OAllow me to wrap myself in quotations also,just for the laughs:P
And no,DA2 is not dead...its remains are hopefully being transformed into The Next Thing ™.
.....
The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.
Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
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#28
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 11:52
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Once is a coincidence, twice is a pattern.
I'm still hoping DA3 will be great, although I'd settle for good. But I'm not holding my breath either.
My personal take is, Once is a coincidence, twice is pushing it, three times is a pattern.
And really, ME3's biggest flop was its ending. Everything else was gold. And Bioware/EA is offering FREE DLC content to expand on the ending, and we don't know yet how good that'll be, or how bad....we'll find out and it won't cost us a thing.
As for me personally, so long as we get closure with Hawke, whether in the prologue of DA3 so we see his and/or Warden's fate before playing a new protagonist, or through later DLC content, thereby allowing players who still want them the chance to import their old characters at their levels of awesome without removing the brand new story from a new perspective, I'm for that. But I'm glad they scrapped working on DA2 to focus on DA3.
And really, people may say Bioware is EA, but the people working on Dragon Age are mostly the same people who worked on KOTOR and Jade Empire, just now under the patronage of EA....
All I want is Bioware to take literally as much time as needed to make the best game they possibly can, and for EA to give Bioware the space needed to make an awesome game without time constraints. I don't want a rushed product. Look at Blizzard, time between Diablo II and Diablo III....12 years.
Bethesda games. Oblivion to Skyrim....5 years.
EA, let these masters of game making take the time they need. You'll get your money's worth if you do so.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 12:27
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But I'm glad they scrapped working on DA2 to focus on DA3.
I just hope that's actually the case, as opposed to, well, there's no money in it anymore.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 12:31
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Vicious wrote...
But I'm glad they scrapped working on DA2 to focus on DA3.
I just hope that's actually the case, as opposed to, well, there's no money in it anymore.
Watch the two videos that are linked at the beginning of this thread. I think you will be reassured that they are planning something, even if they cannot officially say so yet.
http://social.biowar.../index/11573744
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 12:35
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I just hope that's actually the case, as opposed to, well, there's no money in it anymore.
There can be, if given the time and effort. EA bought Bioware, but all Bioware has going for them to provide EA any sort of profit is Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, and Dragon Age.
DA2 flipped the lids of a lot of origin fans, and Mass Effect's ending controversy is still being shouted from the rooftops. For a long while I refused to go to the Mass Effect forums because people were so up in flames that fan was fighting fan because we apparently perceived each other as enemies based on our individual preference of the ending. Most fans of Mass Effect are now cautious of anything Bioware makes.
DA3 MUST succeed if Bioware is going to be worth the investment EA made by buying them. EA kind of has to give Bioware some leg room...or that's how I'm hoping it's going to be. Otherwise we'll just have another company making subpar sequels for games people loved at one point.
I know David Gaider, Mike Laidlow, and all the others are capable of so much more than what DA2 was (with it's very short development time...I'm satisfied with what I got even though I KNOW Bioware could do better. They set the bar.) I mean, they made Jade Empire, KOTOR, and Origins.
I leave Mass Effect off the list as Laidlow and Gaider weren't involved with that trilogy...to my knowledge.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 06:00
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If SWTOR gets anywhere near WOW in terms of revenue that will be the cash engine that makes EA's investment in Bioware golden.
Blizzard is able to take its time with other projects because it has the cash engine called WOW. Which is why Blizzard can take twelve years between Diablo II and III. Or between Starcraft 1 and 2. Valve can take its time with projects because of Steam. If you have money being generated else where in a steady stream you can take time with other projects.
Bethesda five year development cycle for TES games is about as far as you can stretch it without a revenue stream even then you risk running into much higher development costs. Also take too long and the game engine starts to show its age. It can be seen in the varying quality of graphics in DAO.
The fact that DA2 has no toolkit is because Bioware used third party software to augment the aging engine.
Many gamers state Bioware should have used the engine as it was, but in light of games like Skyrim, The Witcher 2 and Kingdoms of Amalur even DA2 is lacking graphically.
Others may state that graphics do not matter, but eye candy does matter. Not many people want to see an ugly looking game.
Also if you let a bunch of creative people take all the time they want one of two events can happen. You have the greatest product since slice bread or it never gets out the door. Someone has to make sure that the project stays on schedule and actually makes it out the door. All of this is my humble opinion.
Blizzard is able to take its time with other projects because it has the cash engine called WOW. Which is why Blizzard can take twelve years between Diablo II and III. Or between Starcraft 1 and 2. Valve can take its time with projects because of Steam. If you have money being generated else where in a steady stream you can take time with other projects.
Bethesda five year development cycle for TES games is about as far as you can stretch it without a revenue stream even then you risk running into much higher development costs. Also take too long and the game engine starts to show its age. It can be seen in the varying quality of graphics in DAO.
The fact that DA2 has no toolkit is because Bioware used third party software to augment the aging engine.
Many gamers state Bioware should have used the engine as it was, but in light of games like Skyrim, The Witcher 2 and Kingdoms of Amalur even DA2 is lacking graphically.
Others may state that graphics do not matter, but eye candy does matter. Not many people want to see an ugly looking game.
Also if you let a bunch of creative people take all the time they want one of two events can happen. You have the greatest product since slice bread or it never gets out the door. Someone has to make sure that the project stays on schedule and actually makes it out the door. All of this is my humble opinion.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 07:06
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Master Shiori wrote...
TGiNcRySiS wrote...
Oh ok. I am keeping my saves obviously but it surprises me that they gave up so easily. Acknowledgement of failure perhaps?
More like dropping DA2 so they can spend more time working on DA3. And I wouldn't call it a failure, especially given that failures don't, generaly, get sequals so soon, or ever.
I am not trying to ignite anything here, but have you ever heard of Two Worlds? That game was.....something else, and it got a sequel
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 07:10
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Realmzmaster wrote...
Bethesda five year development cycle for TES games is about as far as you can stretch it...
Five years is a bit longish, but then again, <2 years, maybe significantly less (reports vary) is more than a little shortish.
They gambled on the short side and lost.
I think people here would like to see real evidence of a bit more of an effort next time.<_<
I already 'rewarded' them by waiting until DA2 ended up in the bargain bin, but I'll be watching them closely.
Mass Effect 3 is the first Bioware game I did not buy (well, apart from that Sonic rpg...), I sure hope DA3 isn't going to be the second.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 10:49
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Legacy and MotA were such a tease. After playing them, I was hoping for more, but all we have to look forward to is DA3. Hopefully it will be worth the wait and won't get the same premature death that Origins and DA2 got.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 10:51
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Yes but if we kill five other games and cut off their body parts that look like DA2 we can bring it back to life.
The spirit of Quentin lives on. Beware the white lilies!
#38
Posté 03 mai 2012 - 11:12
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mousestalker wrote...
DA2 isn't dead, it's just pining for the fjords.
It's dead. It is no more. It has ceased to be. It's bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's pushing up daisies. This is an ex-person.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 01:11
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If SWTOR gets anywhere near WOW in terms of revenue that will be the cash engine that makes EA's investment in Bioware golden.
Blizzard is able to take its time with other projects because it has the cash engine called WOW. Which is why Blizzard can take twelve years between Diablo II and III. Or between Starcraft 1 and 2. Valve can take its time with projects because of Steam. If you have money being generated else where in a steady stream you can take time with other projects.
Bethesda five year development cycle for TES games is about as far as you can stretch it without a revenue stream even then you risk running into much higher development costs. Also take too long and the game engine starts to show its age. It can be seen in the varying quality of graphics in DAO.
The fact that DA2 has no toolkit is because Bioware used third party software to augment the aging engine.
Many gamers state Bioware should have used the engine as it was, but in light of games like Skyrim, The Witcher 2 and Kingdoms of Amalur even DA2 is lacking graphically.
Others may state that graphics do not matter, but eye candy does matter. Not many people want to see an ugly looking game.
Also if you let a bunch of creative people take all the time they want one of two events can happen. You have the greatest product since slice bread or it never gets out the door. Someone has to make sure that the project stays on schedule and actually makes it out the door. All of this is my humble opinion.
I have to agree with SWTOR. As for the rest, that makes sense as well. I'm just trying to be optimistic and give Bioware at least one more chance because I know they have a solid record BEFORE EA bought them, and they still have many of the same people from that time, so I know they have it in them. I'm just hoping someone from Bioware is looking at these posts and bringing it to their EA bosses and saying "look the fans want us to take time to make a quality product, and they're willing to wait. Give us the time needed and get money from The Old Republic so we can make the best game possible."
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 01:20
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I finished my sixth run today and got surprisingly emotional 
. I was taking Gideon Hawke through Legacy last night before the endgame, when I realised that I'd have to find something to spend all my loot on because there wasn't going to be another DLC. And only in this playthrough have I discovered the joys of the DA2 dual-wielding rogue. The most fun I've ever had with combat!
He is probably my last Hawke for now. While I'll replay my first Hawke before DA3 comes out, after six times through the game I've seen most of the content. (Still haven't slept with Zevran, though. Maybe next time ...)
. I was taking Gideon Hawke through Legacy last night before the endgame, when I realised that I'd have to find something to spend all my loot on because there wasn't going to be another DLC. And only in this playthrough have I discovered the joys of the DA2 dual-wielding rogue. The most fun I've ever had with combat!He is probably my last Hawke for now. While I'll replay my first Hawke before DA3 comes out, after six times through the game I've seen most of the content. (Still haven't slept with Zevran, though. Maybe next time ...)
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 01:30
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dragonflight288 wrote...
My personal take is, Once is a coincidence, twice is pushing it, three times is a pattern.
And really, ME3's biggest flop was its ending. Everything else was gold. And Bioware/EA is offering FREE DLC content to expand on the ending, and we don't know yet how good that'll be, or how bad....we'll find out and it won't cost us a thing.
Here's your third time
for the pattern:That DLC is released to "clarify" the ME3 ending.
I cannot imagine what kind of thinking have Bioware believeing that 'clarifying', as in providing explained details, will do any good. The ME3 ending does not need any clarifying. It's an ugly Deus-Ex-machina abomination which only impresses 12-year olds, and will never amount to anything else.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 02:12
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bEVEsthda wrote...
I cannot imagine what kind of thinking have Bioware believeing that 'clarifying', as in providing explained details, will do any good. The ME3 ending does not need any clarifying. It's an ugly Deus-Ex-machina abomination which only impresses 12-year olds, and will never amount to anything else.
Read 'softening' instead of 'clarifying'. They had to do something
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 07:46
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Hope the death of DA2 results in the birth of a 'big beautifull bad ass' DA3.
Being the oncorrigible optimist here maybe but I think that it can all work out. Write a good story, create great characters and devellop a good/detailed/plausible environment and most people will be satisfied and happy with it.
Or is this to much to ask?
Being the oncorrigible optimist here maybe but I think that it can all work out. Write a good story, create great characters and devellop a good/detailed/plausible environment and most people will be satisfied and happy with it.
Or is this to much to ask?
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 11:58
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sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
Hope the death of DA2 results in the birth of a 'big beautifull bad ass' DA3.
Being the oncorrigible optimist here maybe but I think that it can all work out. Write a good story, create great characters and devellop a good/detailed/plausible environment and most people will be satisfied and happy with it.
Or is this to much to ask?
I think they are on it;)
Bioware,we are just keeping the pressure on,because that is how some allotropes of carbon are born.
Ok,I will stop illustrating the thread now^_^
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Posté 04 mai 2012 - 12:08
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Posté 04 mai 2012 - 12:44
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Here's your third time http://social.biowar...cons/crying.png for the pattern:
That DLC is released to "clarify" the ME3 ending.
I cannot imagine what kind of thinking have Bioware believeing that 'clarifying', as in providing explained details, will do any good. The ME3 ending does not need any clarifying. It's an ugly Deus-Ex-machina abomination which only impresses 12-year olds, and will never amount to anything else.
And it's free. I myself was disappointed with it. But the rest of the game itself was gold. I have no problems with the rest. Things can change so much based on what you've done in the first two games leading up to the ending. Bioware had every right to charge us for the extended cut ending. But they're not. I appreciate that and am willing to be patient.
I'm not going to judge free content until after I've seen it personally.
Now back to the topic at hand....okay, the topic is about DA2 being dead....not much to discuss beyond that. Wow that was morbid.
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Posté 04 mai 2012 - 12:48
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Still need that patch so i can play DA2 w/o having zevran be alive. honestly is it so hard? i killed him its in the codex of my imported save that i did so... w t f. i dont have a completed save for da2 because of this crap... id like to get a completed save so maybe i could get some dlc.
