Why would Bioware make 3 choices for the player to choose from but have only one be a correct one and have the other ones be wrong and pretty much make them a waste? When was there ever a wrong decision when it came to choices in ME3? If the other two endings consider Shepard indoctrinated, and Destroy is the so called only good option, then wouldn't that make the ending worse? Considering that there was no real choice in the ending and that there was only one correct ending according to those who believe in the Indoctrination Theory. That makes no sense for Bioware to do. Bioware wanted the ending to be where the player picked from a number of choices and determine the future of the galaxy.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 12:57
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People still believe in the IT?
Indocrtination Theory was pronounced dead the moment Bioware announced that the extended ending DLC would only clarify the existing ending, and not introduce changes.
It was never more than wishful thinking on the part of some fans who couldn't accept that the disappointing ending we got, was the actual ending.
Indocrtination Theory was pronounced dead the moment Bioware announced that the extended ending DLC would only clarify the existing ending, and not introduce changes.
It was never more than wishful thinking on the part of some fans who couldn't accept that the disappointing ending we got, was the actual ending.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:01
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You'd be surprise Han, if you have seen my recent other Indoctrination Theory thread, people still believe in it. God knows why.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:12
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Legion64 wrote...
You'd be surprise Han, if you have seen my recent other Indoctrination Theory thread, people still believe in it. God knows why.
Creationism was pronounced dead the moment evolution was accepted by professional science community 200 years ago, yet today there are still billions of people believe the earth is 6000 years old. How do you explain that? Sometimes, ignorance and wishful thinking can not be explained by any rational means.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:13
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I think that the ending was created to be interpreted different ways so everyone feels different. However, i feel the indo theory has more "proof" than holes in the theory. Just my opinion.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:14
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Prob so some people could get indoctrinated. I am sure you have seen some of the vids and stuff...
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:16
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Right, cuz IT is a religion.VampireSoap wrote...
Legion64 wrote...
You'd be surprise Han, if you have seen my recent other Indoctrination Theory thread, people still believe in it. God knows why.
Creationism was pronounced dead the moment evolution was accepted by professional science community 200 years ago, yet today there are still billions of people believe the earth is 6000 years old. How do you explain that? Sometimes, ignorance and wishful thinking can not be explained by any rational means.
Also, that comparison may count as ad-hominem.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:17
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[quote]Legion64 wrote...
You'd be surprise Han, if you have seen my recent other Indoctrination Theory thread, people still believe in it. God knows why.[/quote]
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Creationism was pronounced dead the moment evolution was accepted by professional science community 200 years ago, yet today there are still billions of people believe the earth is 6000 years old. How do you explain that? Sometimes, ignorance and wishful thinking can not be explained by any rational means.
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One of these has a more compeling argument aswell :Plol..
You'd be surprise Han, if you have seen my recent other Indoctrination Theory thread, people still believe in it. God knows why.[/quote]
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Creationism was pronounced dead the moment evolution was accepted by professional science community 200 years ago, yet today there are still billions of people believe the earth is 6000 years old. How do you explain that? Sometimes, ignorance and wishful thinking can not be explained by any rational means.
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One of these has a more compeling argument aswell :Plol..
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:24
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Why does the indoctrination codec almost word for word detail the experiences and weird S### that happens in the game?
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:26
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Right, cuz IT is a religion.
No, but it's a wishful thinking. People generally have a hard time understanding that there is a huge difference between something that is true and something they wish it to be true.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:27
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People always look for an answer to anything they don't understand. ie, Religion... the meaning of life etc. Nowadays this has no basis, but the argument still applies for other areas.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:30
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Why does the indoctrination codec almost word for word detail the experiences and weird S### that happens in the game?
None of those details can lead to the IT conclusion. How can you go from Shepard's blue eyes to Shepard being indoctrinated for years? Base on what do you make that logical leap?
Yeah, this kind of problem shows up a lot in the study of logic. You'll see if you ever decide to take a class for logic in college.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:32
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No, those over-religioue nuts are pratcically brainwashed and are likely incapable of changing, its sad really.VampireSoap wrote...
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Right, cuz IT is a religion.
No, but it's a wishful thinking. People generally have a hard time understanding that there is a huge difference between something that is true and something they wish it to be true.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:34
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You clearly didn't get the full picture with the theory if you are saying that. I could link some vids if you want the whole thing, which will either help you combat the IT or you could choose not to watch it and just go on saying dumb stuff.VampireSoap wrote...
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Why does the indoctrination codec almost word for word detail the experiences and weird S### that happens in the game?
None of those details can lead to the IT conclusion. How can you go from Shepard's blue eyes to Shepard being indoctrinated for years? Base on what do you make that logical leap?
Yeah, this kind of problem shows up a lot in the study of logic. You'll see if you ever decide to take a class for logic in college.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:35
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Try not to make to bring religion into this, and like I said, there are still few people that believe in the the foolish theory. You guys that believe in the IT don't seem to understand what I am saying. WHY would Bioware waste making three choices and have only one being correct? Did any you guy read the OP?
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:37
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I gave the IT a chance, it is a little crazy but has some solid enough points to it for me to allow it to be a possibility.Legion64 wrote...
Try not to make to bring religion into this, and like I said, there are still few people that believe in the the foolish theory.
And don't forget, those over religious people are practically brainwashed.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:41
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3 choices, hmmm.
The full theory is explained in this video:
I am sure you can find something in there.
Like i said, i don't believe in it all the way, i am just saying that it is a good enough possibility.
The full theory is explained in this video:
I am sure you can find something in there.
Like i said, i don't believe in it all the way, i am just saying that it is a good enough possibility.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:43
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Legion64 wrote...
Why would Bioware make 3 choices for the player to choose from but have only one be a correct one and have the other ones be wrong and pretty much make them a waste? When was there ever a wrong decision when it came to choices in ME3? If the other two endings consider Shepard indoctrinated, and Destroy is the so called only good option, then wouldn't that make the ending worse? Considering that there was no real choice in the ending and that there was only one correct ending according to those who believe in the Indoctrination Theory. That makes no sense for Bioware to do. Bioware wanted the ending to be where the player picked from a number of choices and determine the future of the galaxy.
The way I would write it, there would be a difference.
Blue turns you into a husk.
Green makes you almost god-like (see Mass Effect Retribution).
Red frees you.
With the blue and green you would see friends as enemies and vice versa. With the red, you would see the world through your own eyes. Blue you get killed by your LI or best friend (if you have no LI). Green you kill your LI or best friend (if you have no LI). Red you destroy Harbinger.
That being said, I doubt that IT is true. I wish it were, mostly because of how much I hate the ending, but due to recent statments, I doubt it's the case.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:45
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Funny how the for and against have as much proof as each other, which is all very opinionated ,subjective and may I say contradictory?
People have to do the best with what they have got. That is why the council didn't believe Shepard in Mass Effect 1 about the impending doom.
People have to do the best with what they have got. That is why the council didn't believe Shepard in Mass Effect 1 about the impending doom.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:45
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Honestly I rather Bioware just made a Return of the Jedi ending for Mass Effect 3.
Everyone would be happy. GOTY, we would be talking about the future of the series now. Prequels?
Everyone would be happy. GOTY, we would be talking about the future of the series now. Prequels?
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:50
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Actually, if the IT was true, extending the ending after the point in which Shepard wakes up at Earth to show that he was, in fact, indoctrinated, wouldn't "change" the ending (Make the ending something it wasn't), it would clarify the ending (Explain what it truly was to people who couldn't understand it). Because the ending doesn't really clue us in enough to make any conclusions, the IT could be true, and the Extended Cut DLC could very well expand upon it.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:52
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People saying they shouldn't change based on a small group, look at George Lucas. He changed the total persona of a character years after he made the film. Han Solo went from Rouge to good guy, then to good guy with incredible reflexes.Maybe Bioware will alter more than they say, its not like they will be violating the , if it's not broken don't fix it rule. Surely it must be more difficult to change scenes from a 40 year old movie than remove a character from a game that has no effect on any other area except the last 5 mins?
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:56
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AlRPG wrote...
People saying they shouldn't change based on a small group, look at George Lucas. He changed the total persona of a character years after he made the film. Han Solo went from Rouge to good guy, then to good guy with incredible reflexes.Maybe Bioware will alter more than they say, its not like they will be violating the , if it's not broken don't fix it rule. Surely it must be more difficult to change scenes from a 40 year old movie than remove a character from a game that has no effect on any other area except the last 5 mins?
I believe people think it should not change because BioWare itself said the Extended Cut DLC
wouldn't change the ending, just "Clarify" it. Again, if the IT is indeed true, there should be a lot of "clarifying" to do on it. So i say it fits perfectly.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 01:58
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VampireSoap wrote...
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Why does the indoctrination codec almost word for word detail the experiences and weird S### that happens in the game?
None of those details can lead to the IT conclusion. How can you go from Shepard's blue eyes to Shepard being indoctrinated for years? Base on what do you make that logical leap?
Yeah, this kind of problem shows up a lot in the study of logic. You'll see if you ever decide to take a class for logic in college.
Every indocrinated character sharing one trait which appears on yours after you complete a certain act that "helps" the reapers would suggest LOGICALLY that your character was too indocrinated. No? <_<
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