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[Ytook]

There are a number of choices that can only have a negative impact through the game, killing Wrex for example has no good side, having me2 squad mates die has no positive impact.

Also 'failing' the final test doesn't nesasserly have to be a game over screen, you could still have Shepard push on but have the effort to fight against indoctrination ultimately lead to his/her death. For example you could have a situation where because of the reapers attempted direct control of Shepard, he/she could learn how to use the Citadel to shut down the mass relay network blocking off reaper reinforcements giving you a final big EMS boost, making a better ending more achievable if Shepard is sacrificed. So the indoctrination battle would decide whether Shepard dies in the end, but if she/he does then it's easier to achieve a 'better' ending for the rest of the galaxy.

[Malanek]

Ytook wrote...

There are a number of choices that can only have a negative impact through the game, killing Wrex for example has no good side, having me2 squad mates die has no positive impact.

If you kill Wrex, Mordin can live.

[hoodaticus]

AlRPG wrote...

Funny how the for and against have as much proof as each other, which is all very opinionated ,subjective and may I say contradictory?

People have to do the best with what they have got. That is why the council didn't believe Shepard in Mass Effect 1 about the impending doom.

Certitude in the face of amiguity reveals a great deal about a person.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

The current ending is logically impossible for too many reasons to count.  Hundreds of pages on the internet and thousands of comments on this forum break it down. 

The only scenario in which logically impossible events can occur is in a hallucination, a dream, or... indoctrination.  IT theory may not be true, but if it isn't, that just leaves hallucination or a dream.

[jla0644]

NoSpin wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

My biggest question is, if you tell the boy ???? you I'm not picking any of these terrible choices.

Why does the Crucible get destroyed, and why does Shepard die a REAL death? Or is this the Matrix where the body cannot live without the mind.

Considering Bioware doesn't let you tell the boy to **** off, who knows what would happen.

Well you can't tell him to **** off, but you can refuse to make a decision, and after you wait long enough you receive a message that the Crucible has been destroyed. and Shep is presumably dead.

Also, to people saying the EC doesn't rule out the indoc theory, you guys realize that if your theory is true, there's still a whole lot that has to happen, and not one second of it would involve gameplay, it would just be cinematics. So you finally get to the game's "true" ending, and you get to sit and watch while the final battle with the Reapers unfolds. Hurray for the indoc theory, sounds like tons of fun!!!

[NS Wizdum]

jla0644 wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

My biggest question is, if you tell the boy ???? you I'm not picking any of these terrible choices.

Why does the Crucible get destroyed, and why does Shepard die a REAL death? Or is this the Matrix where the body cannot live without the mind.

Considering Bioware doesn't let you tell the boy to **** off, who knows what would happen.

Well you can't tell him to **** off, but you can refuse to make a decision, and after you wait long enough you receive a message that the Crucible has been destroyed. and Shep is presumably dead.

Also, to people saying the EC doesn't rule out the indoc theory, you guys realize that if your theory is true, there's still a whole lot that has to happen, and not one second of it would involve gameplay, it would just be cinematics. So you finally get to the game's "true" ending, and you get to sit and watch while the final battle with the Reapers unfolds. Hurray for the indoc theory, sounds like tons of fun!!!

Thats still better than what we have now. Actually, if you just stop after the Cerberus assault, the game is better.

[balance5050]

hoodaticus wrote...
Certitude in the face of amiguity reveals a great deal about a person.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

The current ending is logically impossible for too many reasons to count.  Hundreds of pages on the internet and thousands of comments on this forum break it down. 

The only scenario in which logically impossible events can occur is in a hallucination, a dream, or... indoctrination.  IT theory may not be true, but if it isn't, that just leaves hallucination or a dream.

Truth^^

[hoodaticus]

Also, to people saying the EC doesn't rule out the indoc theory, you guys realize that if your theory is true, there's still a whole lot that has to happen, and not one second of it would involve gameplay, it would just be cinematics. So you finally get to the game's "true" ending, and you get to sit and watch while the final battle with the Reapers unfolds. Hurray for the indoc theory, sounds like tons of fun!!!

We wouldn't get much playtime there anyway.  We're playing as Shepard - not EDI and Joker.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 03 mai 2012 - 12:20 .

[hoodaticus]

My question to pro-enders: you do remember that Shepard was in fact indoctrinated immediately prior to meeting Justin Beiber, don't you?

Remember Anderson getting shot? Remember who shot him?

[llbountyhunter]

hoodaticus wrote...

Also, to people saying the EC doesn't rule out the indoc theory, you guys realize that if your theory is true, there's still a whole lot that has to happen, and not one second of it would involve gameplay, it would just be cinematics. So you finally get to the game's "true" ending, and you get to sit and watch while the final battle with the Reapers unfolds. Hurray for the indoc theory, sounds like tons of fun!!!

We wouldn't get much playtime there anyway.  We're playing as Shepard - not EDI and Joker.

in my view of IT, its a mental battle with harbinger trying to indoctrinate you. chooseing destroy could possibly play out as having physical harm on the reapers, like maybe disabling there shields or something.. (similar to how killing saren disables soveriegns shields in me1), thus allowing a easy victory to the fleet.

anyway thats a possible way to do it.

[llbountyhunter]

Legion64 wrote...

Everyone step out of the Mass Effect universe and go into reality real quick. And think about what is being said. Logically, why would Bioware make 3 decisions and have only one be a correct one? It's stupid and unfair. The 3 choices in the end were suppost to be based off of what the player themselves believe what's the right thing to do. Killing off the other choices people believe is the right thing to do and only going for one single ending is unfair. For the last time, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THE INDOCTRINATION THEORY IS INVALID. But if you for once, step out of the game world for a second and think of this logically, you would understand why it wouldn't be right for those who liked the choices placed in the ending.

I (and many other people as well) think its great that bioware is having only one winning ending. alot of things have only one answer.

did you expect defeating the reapers to be EASY? "oh it doesnt matter what ending you choose, you win every time!!!!!!!" 

thats stupid. hell, some people wanted more WRONG choices. its your own fault you didnt notice the evidence in front of your face. even the most basic of evidence.

saren wanted systhesis
TIM wanted control
shepard?

you dont even need to look at all the subtle clues to realize destroy is the adequate choice.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 03 mai 2012 - 01:27 .

[llbountyhunter]

Icemix wrote...

 Ok lets make some points here.
1.If IT was true(which is not), then the game did not ship with its ending. Nobody does that.
2. No one is stupid enough to stop the story at its climax, and then continuing it months after you were already torn away from the story.
3.The whole idea that the battle with the Reapers is going in Shepards head is beyond retarded. The Reapers do not take risks, they are machines. If they can end Shepard with a laser beam that can destroy a dreadnought in a single shot, they are going to do it and be over with it. They are not going to toy with his mind, its just stupid to asume so.
4.They have tried to include indoctrination, but it has been scrapped. So probably most of the scenes that make sense for the IT are just leftover from their original plan.
5.The EC was not planned, asuming that fan fiction like IT will make it in the EC is stupid.


IT is not true, stop grasping at emergency induction ports.
Lots of speculations from everyone!!!!!

1. prince of persia and several other have started shipping games without the ending (for a price too.)
2 you think its stupid. many others think that if perfomed well, it could be brilliant
3. the reapers indoctrinate powerfull figures to make things easier. whats more simple? fight a long battle and spend tens of years gathering up organics, OR indoctrinate shepard (the sole icon for the galaxy), have shepard lead everyone to the reapers, and break everyones spirit, cutting down reaping time by ten?
4. they scrapped GAMEPLAY, meaning you lost control of your player. IT does not say this.
5. how did you know it wasnt planned? Casey said near after release that we should save on to our save game files, so they were obviously planning something more.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Navasha wrote...

When a person becomes indoctrinated, their beliefs, goals, and even way of thinking starts to align with the reapers.

Indoctrination isn't some simple mind control scheme where the person loses control of their body to the reapers.... they actually start believing the reapers to be right and want to help them.

Since the Blue and Green endings are both the goals of the reapers and NOT shepards, its actually pretty logical to assume that Shepard abandoning his whole mission to take up the banner of the reapers is not too far of a stretch to explain it by indoctrination.

Wow, I was trying to formulate a reply but this....................
Thank you, a thousand times thank you!

[landylan]

im not sure i believe in IT but one wrong choice that is definitely wrong is having sex with samaras daughter in ME2

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Icemix wrote...

 Ok lets make some points here.
1.If IT was true(which is not), then the game did not ship with its ending. Nobody does that.
2. No one is stupid enough to stop the story at its climax, and then continuing it months after you were already torn away from the story.
3.The whole idea that the battle with the Reapers is going in Shepards head is beyond retarded. The Reapers do not take risks, they are machines. If they can end Shepard with a laser beam that can destroy a dreadnought in a single shot, they are going to do it and be over with it. They are not going to toy with his mind, its just stupid to asume so.
4.They have tried to include indoctrination, but it has been scrapped. So probably most of the scenes that make sense for the IT are just leftover from their original plan.
5.The EC was not planned, asuming that fan fiction like IT will make it in the EC is stupid.


IT is not true, stop grasping at emergency induction ports.
Lots of speculations from everyone!!!!!

What's retarded is not seeing what's right in front of our cotton-pickin' faces, we were introduced to the Reapers, in ME1, they were an unknown fearsome enemy, In ME2 we were trying to form a coalition to destroy the Reapers, but WE found out DURING ME2, that the Reapers wanted SHEP ALIVE, to be incorporated into one of their newest creations, hence the Reaper-larvae in the Collector base. The Reapers do NOT want Shep DEAD!!!!
In ME3 we never get killed(don't go there, it involves restarting!), Why do you think all this time, that the Citadel was moved to Earth? Because we are going to be incorporated into another REAPER.

Shep being Indoctrinated is TOTALLY possible, because with it, we do what the Catalyst wanted all along, whether it be control or synth(PUKE), as for destroy, that's why Bioware were trying to dissuade us from going that route by taking EDI/Geth out of existence.

Pro-enders................................Kobayashi Maru, SAYS HI!!!!!!!

[OH-UP-THIS!]

I'm going to write this out on paper, to remind myself what to watch out for this summer.

I'm am going to sit back and watch this DLC playout, and LMAO because Bioware couldn't finish it themselves, so They threw this mess at us, and as such created a s**tstorm of Speculation and Theories, to see what would be their best way to handle this PR nightmare.
We'll just have to wait and see, so keep it CIVIL people, and as one player to another, be excellent to one another.

[llbountyhunter]

A fellow IT supporter took it upon himself to combine all the ideas of the theory.



http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 03 mai 2012 - 04:04 .