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[JECW]

I'm glad to see no drama.
You're doing a great job Squeegee. I was happy to contribute and I hope Bioware takes notice of all this and fixes Thanes romance.

[Moira-chan]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Moira-chan wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

Yeah, I am a bit surprised myself too. I been trying to keep this project running without the drama. That's why I am asking people to send me their messages in notes. So no one can come in and start quoting what others are saying. The people who are supporting this project has been hurt enough, the last thing we need is someone trying to make someone else feel stupid. Not everyone will agree with us, but it doesn't mean we don't have the right to fight for what we believe in. In the end, it's Bioware's decision if they are going to mend their broken hearted fans. I hope they do... I want to love Bioware again and see them as the big heros.

yeah, as the big heros that they were...
i really really love bioware for making charas. they've created amazing characters. always.
but thats the reason why it hurts more, when they had fall down one of them.
bioware is so amazing in making them, that you really fell in love with these charas and it hurts badly. it shows how good the writers had been.

They did make some amazing characters and some of them are worth remembering. We grow to love them and enjoy taking the journey with them as their story unfolds. There are those who take it the next step by writing fanfics and/or creating art... which allows us to continue the journey even after the game is over.

It hurts because we all came to care about the characters. It may sound silly, caring about what happens to a character... but that is truly the amazing part. If someone can create a character and have people really care about them, then you did something right. So I completely understand where you are coming from.

When they took it all away, no one can't help but feel angry, hurt and even pain. I remember after Thane's death, I was in a state of depression for a good couple weeks. I was a tad angry about it because I shouldn't feel that why, because it's a game... but I couldn't help but feel like I just lost someone I really cared about. I know that alot of people ended up feeling their own level of hurt by what happen to Thane and even with Jacob.

I hate to suggest we should have hope again because the last time we had hope, we were crushed badly. But sadly, hope is the only thing that we have. So I hope they will hear us out, come to understand why so many of us are upset and that they will consider making it right again.

yeah definetly...
mordin and thane died in my first playthrough within one evening. afterwards i was not able to continue the game. it hurt so much, that i just sit in front of my pc and said all the time: no...no...mordin, thane...no please...it's a joke, isn't it? you...you were my best friends, my collector burning, giving hell team. why?
I was really afraid on saturday to start again because i just thought: well, who is going to die know? and then legion died and me just. oh well...nice...3/4 favourite charas death, grunt nearby...wonderfull, really good stats for me. >.<
i fell into sarcasm then and after my friend at last ended the game i've cried all the time about thane (she don't want ANY spoiler) and shout and all the thing.
she was a garrusmancer and she found thanes death ok (not well, but ok) as a friend, but she felt with me, that i was pretty hurt and so ive told her everything what i hate about it. again and again and again. i was even annoyed by myself (well as you said, i was just: hell, moira, its just a game...he is...not real...but thane felt so real) but she was very patient (my luck ^^') and heard it with an open ear everytime ^^'
well well...i was quite shocked

edit:

but i'm really happy, that bioware is a company that listen to their fans (normally) and change if something is disappointing. its not set in stone yet, so we have a chance.
in most games we would not have the opportunity to change something

Modifié par Moira-chan, 05 mai 2012 - 10:53 .

[Moira-chan]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Moira-chan wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

They did make some amazing characters and some of them are worth remembering. We grow to love them and enjoy taking the journey with them as their story unfolds. There are those who take it the next step by writing fanfics and/or creating art... which allows us to continue the journey even after the game is over.

It hurts because we all came to care about the characters. It may sound silly, caring about what happens to a character... but that is truly the amazing part. If someone can create a character and have people really care about them, then you did something right. So I completely understand where you are coming from.

When they took it all away, no one can't help but feel angry, hurt and even pain. I remember after Thane's death, I was in a state of depression for a good couple weeks. I was a tad angry about it because I shouldn't feel that way, because it's a game... but I couldn't help but feel like I just lost someone I really cared about. I know that alot of people ended up feeling their own level of hurt by what happen to Thane and even with Jacob.

I hate to suggest we should have hope again because the last time we had hope, we were crushed badly. But sadly, hope is the only thing that we have. So I hope they will hear us out, come to understand why so many of us are upset and that they will consider making it right again.

yeah definetly...
mordin and thane died in my first playthrough within one evening. afterwards i was not able to continue the game. it hurt so much, that i just sit in front of my pc and said all the time: no...no...mordin, thane...no please...it's a joke, isn't it? you...you were my best friends, my collector burning, giving hell team. why?
I was really afraid on saturday to start again because i just thought: well, who is going to die know? and then legion died and me just. oh well...nice...3/4 favourite charas death, grunt nearby...wonderfull, really good stats for me. >.<
i fell into sarcasm then and after my friend at last ended the game i've cried all the time about thane (she don't want ANY spoiler) and shout and all the thing.
she was a garrusmancer and she found thanes death ok (not well, but ok) as a friend, but she felt with me, that i was pretty hurt and so ive told her everything what i hate about it. again and again and again. i was even annoyed by myself (well as you said, i was just: hell, moira, its just a game...he is...not real...but thane felt so real) but she was very patient (my luck ^^') and heard it with an open ear everytime ^^'
well well...i was quite shocked

edit:

but i'm really happy, that bioware is a company that listen to their fans (normally) and change if something is disappointing. its not set in stone yet, so we have a chance.
in most games we would not have the opportunity to change something

I had the same problem, in one shot I lost Mordin and Thane. Mordin was by far the most funniest and amusing character in the Mass Effect series. I was sad to see him go, but I was okay with his death. I suppose because he went out like a champion and he wasn’t a love interest. However I started to question what was the point of saving everyone during the Suicide Mission if they were just going to die on you anyway or not join up with you again? I know we can’t save them all… but then again, Mass Effect 2 allowed you to save everyone, only if you were able to figure out how to.

I think most people who didn’t have Thane as their number one romance choice or didn’t romance him aren’t going to fully understand the level of hurt we all experienced. However I am glad to see many that didn’t romance him still wanting to see him in the game, as a squadie and was disappointed in his death.

I’m glad that your friend is being supportive. She cares about you. I do envy those who romance Garrus, they did get it pretty good so I suppose they will not fully understand. The other day I was arguing with my friend who romanced Liara. He thought I was just complaining for no good reason, until I turned on the game and went through the save files to show him Thane’s romance. Then his tune changed, he then said and I quote “Damn, that’s just f*cked up”. Haha. Please excuse the bad language. lol.

I’m really sorry that you were so upset when Thane died. Trust me, I am feeling you.

It does seem that Bioware is listening to their fans. However I don’t know if they are even aware of us or we are just being ignored on the issue. No one has said anything.

yeah, mordin was alright, because he died by doing something big, also if i just want to pull him out of this elevator and when he sang T_________T ooooh godness, i was crying for the first time. i loved him. always making jokes and so xD even if he don't want to be funny, he was xD

well, he, i wished a happy end too. all of shepards friends deserve peace and a wonderfull life after all this mess *sigh*
i knew, that the chances are low, but i wished it  could be like at the end of me2. i wanted to save any one, it doesn't matter for me, if it impossible, but i love them all. everyone has a special task and was helpfull, so everyone should live T_T

well she was actually disappointed, that there was no cure, that for sure. she always sees thane as a real close friend of her shep, but she said, well better dying in battle then slow in this hospital.
and me just: well...sure, but...
she: i know, there were hints.
me: oh yeah...a lot...
she: i think it's a bug, because there was this option on the left side, but actually the doctor denied it afterwards
me: i know... *sigh* thane.... T_T
she: *patt*

she also says, that she is really really happy, that she choosed garrus, because she guess he was the best option for a straight fem shep, because, well, kaidan is too fluffy >.<
at the end i was really annyoed by his romance, always like: you was the love of my life.
and me: hell, kaidan, 2 of my best friends died a few hours ago, let it got...i wanna drink something <.<

well, yes, they did not say anything, but we know, that bioware normally is willing to change something in their game, the most producer don't.
so i can still have hope alive

[Eliantariel]

I have femsheps that romanced Garrus and Kaidan and Thane. I am thankfull that at least the Garrus and Kaidan romance is well done but what they did to Thane and Jacob and other ME2 LIs ist just mean. They put so much effort in Thane to make him a great LI and now his fans are dumped in ME3. I think it is ok if Thane is not your LI but as a LI he should be handled differently. I know that there are fans that have only Thane as LI - I am feeling very sorry for you and fully understand that you don't like to play the game once more (apart from the ending fiasco).

But additionally I think Bioware is just trying to justify what they did to Thane as LI with "you know he would die". I am sure his content was cut or not really developed because of limited ressources and now they are behaving like it was always planned. So what about the medical dossier in LotSB that says that Thane would be a good candidate for a transplantation? What about the Hanar rescue mission in the leaked script that gave us additional hope for a cure? It seems Bioware forgot some things about Thane or didn't care about it anymore.

[Moira-chan]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Moira-chan wrote...

yeah, mordin was alright, because he died by doing something big, also if i just want to pull him out of this elevator and when he sang T_________T ooooh godness, i was crying for the first time. i loved him. always making jokes and so xD even if he don't want to be funny, he was xD

well, he, i wished a happy end too. all of shepards friends deserve peace and a wonderfull life after all this mess *sigh*
i knew, that the chances are low, but i wished it  could be like at the end of me2. i wanted to save any one, it doesn't matter for me, if it impossible, but i love them all. everyone has a special task and was helpfull, so everyone should live T_T

well she was actually disappointed, that there was no cure, that for sure. she always sees thane as a real close friend of her shep, but she said, well better dying in battle then slow in this hospital.
and me just: well...sure, but...
she: i know, there were hints.
me: oh yeah...a lot...
she: i think it's a bug, because there was this option on the left side, but actually the doctor denied it afterwards
me: i know... *sigh* thane.... T_T
she: *patt*

she also says, that she is really really happy, that she choosed garrus, because she guess he was the best option for a straight fem shep, because, well, kaidan is too fluffy >.<
at the end i was really annyoed by his romance, always like: you was the love of my life.
and me: hell, kaidan, 2 of my best friends died a few hours ago, let it got...i wanna drink something <.<

well, yes, they did not say anything, but we know, that bioware normally is willing to change something in their game, the most producer don't.
so i can still have hope alive

At least we all know that Mordin is chilling on some beach somewhere... studying those seashells. We don't even know if Thane ever made it to the sea... oh god, I just made myself sad. Er.

Anyways, a happy ending would be nice or at least an ending you can walk away feeling ok about even if it's not so happy. Although ME2 can make you feel either way. You can end up sad if someone died but you can also end up happy if you were able to save everyone.

Yeah I don't know what is up with the doctor suggesting Thane needed more blooded. I don't know about you, but didn't you have a moment where you thought that is how you were going to save him? I'm almost got excited there... and when the doctor said "nope.. sorry... he's gonna die" I felt like I just got stabbed myself. Talk about crushing people's hope in such an awful way.

I think your friend is right, I also think Garrus was the best option for femShep. It was the most healthiest relationship. Garrus was there from start to finish with Shep. I only wish for Thane to be with us to the end. However I am glad to hear that your friend thinks that there should have been a way to save Thane.

Well I know that they did a dlc for Liara in ME2 when the fans got all upset about the lack of her in the game. I can't believe that they repeated the same mistake in ME3 though but there is still that chance that they will fix the game.

yeah, somehow...R.I.P you two... i would have done nearly everything to
save mordin...but dening curing the genophage and killing wrex in the
first game...it's such a hard choice... i love them both so much. same
as with tali and legion (gosh i hate it! why do i have to chose between
these two AGAIN? >.<)

yeah... i
really felt the same. normally left corner offer a new variant and even
if i got a bad feeling before, when shepard left thane, this short
moment give me a glow of hope and within one second it was all pushed
away. hell i would go EVERYWHERE to save him. i would land somewhere
where ten reapers are waiting for me, nothing at all, i just want him at
shepards side until the end. poor shepard, must be hard loosing him
early at the point when all became worse and a mess T_T >.<

yeah, garrus definetly was and i love him, but for me he was always this loyal, best friend, not more, i just started one with him to become a nice romance after all this disappointment with thane, but it does not help. ust like, that liara came up to the cabine to talk with shep after the nightmares. i just would like to throw her out (i do not hate her, but she was quite neutral for me, but this pushed best friend behave of her uuuurgh, bioware)

yeah...liara...liara, the favourite of bioware and the fanboys <.< she really really annoyed me. how could she dare asking my shepard after thanes death, if karin would like to return to her. i really want to hit her. Hell, NO bioware, i don't want her back. >.<

[yesikareyes]

The Miranda thread is doing a poster idea as well.

[coldwetn0se]

Squeegee83 wrote...

*shameless bump* I will replace this post with something useful tomorrow. 5/5

5/6- Now here is something useful....



Animation by tsukahime

My God I love this animation....my eyes swam in the brine.....

Okay, @squee, I yield.  I have posted a few times a way that they could incorporate the ability to "save Thane".  I base this on things they might be willing to do, and with the "tweeting" that has been going on over the weekend, I suspect, if they EVER decided to actually implement anything, it would be the easiest, cheapest, least amount of content added kind of approach.  Now my first idea (the one I have posted a few times already) is a bit more desirable.  It actually gives us a bit of new content, to our already 'starved' Thane content.  The second one, is truly the "cheap" way to go.....and some might STILL prefer to take what they have already given us based on whether or not they agreed to add new content at some point.

So, with out further ado, I will give you the cheap version first:

1) When Shepard receives the letter from Thane on the Normandy, you would have to ignore it (like any Shepard currently can).

2) This would cause Kirahee (if still alive) to be the one to take the hit from Kai Leng.  If Kirahee is dead, the Salarian Councilor dies.  (This already happens if Thane is dead, but it also happens in the base game if Thane is alive, but you do NOT speak to him before the coup.)

3) This new code/dlc/patch/content (whatever you want to call it) will include a new flag, indicating that you did NOT see Thane before the coup, but he WAS alive at the end of ME2.  Something that could be triggered by said events (Kirahee dies/Salarian dies) to indicate that Thane is still alive.

4) Once the coup (and said flag is triggered) a new email is sent to Shepard.  This has information from Thane in regards to his whereabouts (and it would be nice if they included info on Kolyat as well....this could even be the reason he was not around when the coup went down).  If the Romance Flag has not been set for another LI (i.e. Kaidan, Liara or Traynor), and you had a romance flag, from your import, for Thane, then extra romance content is in said email.

5) As for the reason he is still alive; could be anything that has already been hinted at in the previous game: lung transplant, lung medi-gel......this could still be the reason (besides, of course, Kolyat) as to why he was on the Citadel and hanging out at Huerta (since he could still be seen shadowboxing in front of the glass at the hospital even if you don't talk to him).   He was getting treatments/medical assistance (after surgery, again, for example).  This would then explain why his life had been extended.

6) Okay, so here is where things get sucky.....all this would do would work with the current content of the base game, while not ACTUALLY altering it in any way. (oh, and screw the problem with the "Thane" photo on the Memorial wall....it's not like anyone even mentions it anyways...<middle finger>).  What that means is that unless they actually make new story DLC that includes Thane (if you do the following to keep him alive) you will never get to speak with him during the whole of me3.  HOWEVER, at this point they COULD add extra content (new interactions/dialogues/love scene) AFTER the coup and the email is sent.  Or at the least, set up a "video call" with at least one dialogue exchange, add a picture of Thane in the Captain's Loft (if you choose to confirm your romance), and his face (not Liara's) during the ending.  This would also make him available to be used in new Storyline DLC (for say the ME2 squaddies....hint, hint!), and new LI content that they may add via DLC.

The best thing about this is simply knowing that while me3 is happening, Thane is still alive, and so long as you don't confirm any other LI, then your romance with Thane is in tact.  Hell, they could just set the parameters for the Paramour Achievement to activate if you followed the above, and didn't lock into another romance.  So on the night before Priority: Earth, if the above is met, you get the cheevo for a Thane romance....*pop/bang* .....yea...... (they really need a more "snarky looking emoticon....bleh).

**Side Note*** Since I never finished the game, I am only assuming that the Paramour Achievement for existing squaddies (i.e. Garrus, Liara, VS, Tali, Traynor, and Cortez) all is set to unlock that last night before Priority Earth.  If I'm wrong, please correct me, and this 'Thane Paramour cheevo" would be set to go off when those other's normally do.

Hell, with something like this installed, I might even find what they originally put in this game, as usable.  For example; if the above was employed, I could (as a Thanemancing Role Player) save right before I would normally talk to Thane (as is currently set up in the base game).  Run through his dialogue/interrupt/cheezy makeout scene.  THEN, reload from previous save, NOT talk to him, and have the above trigger, so he is still alive.  Yes, yes, again, hardly perfect, but yet another way for Thanemancer's to get a helluva a lot more than they got, AND they don't have to implement much at all to make this work. 

They keep spouting "Art", but they DID NOT GIVE US ART in me3 for Thane!!!!!  So, since there is no art, lets go for cheap and doable.

This is long, I know....sorry.....and I realize it needs to be cleaned up, but there it is.  I will post (after I.....umm....chill a bit) the other "Save Thane" idea a little later.  Let this digest and see if it makes sense.  Feel free to make comments criticisms, or ask questions, if needed.

[utaker1988]

I could live with that.

I could also live with one more crappy choice....let Shep approach the Salarian Councilor and give me another Virmire. Who gets to fight Leng and get stabbed. Thane or Kirrahe. If neither are alive, the councilor bites it. If only one is alive, well, I guess your choice from the previous two games are going to matter in this instance. You can bet your ass, I will be making sure they are both alive come ME3. Not like it's a new concept...Wrex/Wreav is based on your ME1 decision. Data/No Data is based on ME2 decision. Great if Thane is alive, no emotionless death scene and you can set up a fetch quest to save him. Have him treated while you are off dealing with the Geth/Quarians and Cerberus HQ problems. There is another imperfect but extremely lazy way of fixing this. This way bro Sheps don't get the "I didn't romance him so it's not fair I can't save him" treatment. Which I think is fair considering I didn't romance Miranda and could save her.

But your cheap fix works and it gives us more than we have now.

[coldwetn0se]

utaker1988 wrote...

I could live with that.

I could also live with one more crappy choice....let Shep approach the Salarian Councilor and give me another Virmire. Who gets to fight Leng and get stabbed. Thane or Kirrahe. If neither are alive, the councilor bites it. If only one is alive, well, I guess your choice from the previous two games are going to matter in this instance. You can bet your ass, I will be making sure they are both alive come ME3. Not like it's a new concept...Wrex/Wreav is based on your ME1 decision. Data/No Data is based on ME2 decision. Great if Thane is alive, no emotionless death scene and you can set up a fetch quest to save him. Have him treated while you are off dealing with the Geth/Quarians and Cerberus HQ problems. There is another imperfect but extremely lazy way of fixing this. This way bro Sheps don't get the "I didn't romance him so it's not fair I can't save him" treatment. Which I think is fair considering I didn't romance Miranda and could save her.

But your cheap fix works and it gives us more than we have now.

Like you, I would LOVE actual fair treatment for this (i.e. choice/gameplay/real LI content....), just as you suggested.  Unfortunately, it appears that the bw team has no interest in changing anything in the base game.  So, I have been trying to think of ways they could implement something with what they already have set up. 

The fact that he can be completely forgotten about (your Shep doesn't HAVE to speak to him, coup and KL fight still happen, no one mentions his death anyway...) gives us an "out" so to speak.  It is truly sad that that is what we have to work with, but at least we HAVE something to work with.  Trying to imagine for Jacob....yeeesh!  I suspect the worse for Jacobmancers, since the writers seem opposed to "changing" any base game stuff......

Why are we doing there job for them?  Did I not pay for this game I don't play, already?  Sorry, getting pissy now.  Bah! 

*EDIT*
BTW, thanks @utaker for taking the time to read....and letting me know that it wasn't complete gibberish.  Seriously, wine makes me kinda stupid sometimes....HA! 

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 07 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[blueshepard]

@Coldi:

Well I could live with that too. I just would want to tell them in some line before: if you could not give us something else, please consider at least to do this. It may sound crazy but I would even pay for this, as long as he is alive at all. This is really horrifying in some way since I really was looking foward to ME3 that much. And after playing it and discussing that much I came from: hell they have to correct this for free over ok for more Thane Love I would definately pay to: give us at least SOMETHING, just let him be alive to the end. And now I would even pay for this little something.

ME is so gone for me since this. This is so terrible to stand at all so I would say we need to try this too. So we can have our own headcanon and with the right ending we could have both of our beloved ones alive and thinking of some stupid romantic living together until they die as old old people. Having a life full of joy and love and all the other things we didn't get. As long as nothing like that happens, my first choice is: ME3 never happened for me. My second is: my Shep is dying in the end even if I am able to save her. Since they are together then across the sea. That's the least I could do for her and Thane.

Thanks for your ideas ;; This is omething I really could imagine they would do for us. Depressing times these days in some way -.- I would need a kiss from Oscar now

EDIT because of grammar stuff -.- Like always xD

Modifié par yamainu1984, 07 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[blueshepard]

Squeegee83 wrote...

***Update*** 5/7

I have gotten food poisoning like you will not believe. That is what I get for eating crab. LOL. Please bare with me, it's been killing me all day. I got the shakes and I'm dead tired. I'll update better tomorrow and I will get back with everyone who posted/noted me. I'm just so tired right now.

I also just want to say... crab is still awesome... even if it nearly kills you. haha.

Get well soon Squee!!! ;; Poor girl!

[Moira-chan]

Squeegee83 wrote...

***Update*** 5/7

I have gotten food poisoning like you will not believe. That is what I get for eating crab. LOL. Please bare with me, it's been killing me all day. I got the shakes and I'm dead tired. I'll update better tomorrow and I will get back with everyone who posted/noted me. I'm just so tired right now.

I also just want to say... crab is still awesome... even if it nearly kills you. haha.

oooh squuegee, poor you, get well soon.