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[cerberus1701]

"Until the Reapers arrived and we realized that machines had surpassed us long ago."

Hmm...so you were actually beating the Synthetics before the brat showed up?

Quarians launch an attack to retake Rannoch. Shepard arrives to find the Quarians in need of help because the Reapers gave the Geth a collective brain boost. Because, rather than face extinction, the Geth chose to ally with the Old Machines.

Hmm...so you were actually beating the Syntheics before the brat showed up?

But I heard from somwhere that synthetics would always destroy all organics. That it was inevitable.

I guess it is when you have a fleet of mega-synthetics around that have to justify their alleged reason for existence.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Space brat is always wrong.

[justafan]

I never made the connection, good catch OP. 

Modifié par justafan, 02 mai 2012 - 01:13 .

[The Angry One]

It gets worse, the Zha'till who the Protheans were fighting weren't even synthetics, they were hybrids.
Knowing the Protheans, they probably started the war.

The Reapers were the ones who forced the AIs to overtake their hosts, turning the Zha'till into monsters.

Just think about this for a second. Not only is Javik - the only major character to carry the theme of organics vs. synthetics in all of ME3 - a DLC character not part of the main game, almost every revelation of his subverts the Catalyst's claims completely.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 mai 2012 - 01:15 .

[hoodaticus]

Only tweens listen to Justin Beiber.

[Warod]

Something created the Reapers. Then that something was wiped. They are the proof.

[The Angry One]

Warod wrote...

Something created the Reapers. Then that something was wiped. They are the proof.

They are proof of nothing. Organic life went on without them. They are but one species.
Especially if they were wiped out by the Reapers.

[hoodaticus]

The Angry One wrote...

It gets worse, the Zha'till who the Protheans were fighting weren't even synthetics, they were hybrids.
Knowing the Protheans, they probably started the war.

The Reapers were the ones who forced the AIs to overtake their hosts, turning the Zha'till into monsters.

Except that Zha'till could just as easily be be Prothean cyborgs.  Which is how I interpreted it during my third playthrough.  (After this one, I'm choosing the Maurader Shields Salvation option for all future game endings).

[BTbuster2010]

space brat was meant to be the answer to everything but he just turned out to be a ****ing****ing****ing vent rat ****er

[2484Stryker]

When you go to a hospital, they will irradiate your entire body and kills off all mature healthy cells because cancer cells could always develop and kill off all your cells.

[The Angry One]

hoodaticus wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It gets worse, the Zha'till who the Protheans were fighting weren't even synthetics, they were hybrids.
Knowing the Protheans, they probably started the war.

The Reapers were the ones who forced the AIs to overtake their hosts, turning the Zha'till into monsters.

Except that Zha'till could just as easily be be Prothean cyborgs.  Which is how I interpreted it during my third playthrough.  (After this one, I'm choosing the Maurader Shields Salvation option for all future game endings).

Javik says otherwise, stating that they were another race from a dying world who became machine hybrids with AIs co-existing in their minds for survival.

[Sisterofshane]

The Angry One wrote...

It gets worse, the Zha'till who the Protheans were fighting weren't even synthetics, they were hybrids.
Knowing the Protheans, they probably started the war.

The Reapers were the ones who forced the AIs to overtake their hosts, turning the Zha'till into monsters.

More to prove that the Catalyst was WRONG, and was perpetuating it's own twisted version of what it thought the future would be.

The Protheans were wholly against any development of AI technology, period.  They destroyed any culture that did.

Any example that can prove (either from this cycle's history or what we know from Javik) the Catalyst's hypothesis has been instigated by the Catalyst himself.

[The Angry One]

2484Stryker wrote...

When you go to a hospital, they will irradiate your entire body and kills off all mature healthy cells because cancer cells could always develop and kill off all your cells.

I knew checking into St. Catalyst's Hospital was a bad idea.

[MisterJB]

Winning a battle does not equal equal winning the war.
Who's to say the synthetics would not raise again and win this time?

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

Winning a battle does not equal equal winning the war.
Who's to say the synthetics would not raise again and win this time?

Then they win.

No one has the right to take the chaos out of the Universe.

That's how it has always been.

[Sisterofshane]

MisterJB wrote...

Winning a battle does not equal equal winning the war.
Who's to say the synthetics would not raise again and win this time?

The quote was specifically that they were "turning the tide"...and it is a cut off sentence.  The end of that sentence is presumed to be "of the Metacon War."

Meaning they were winning enough to consider themselves to be winning.  Talking to Javik kind of convinced me that the Protheans were Anti AI before the Reaper War - which was why they felt the need to destroy the Zha'til in the first place.

[cerberus1701]

2484Stryker wrote...

When you go to a hospital, they will irradiate your entire body and kills off all mature healthy cells because cancer cells could always develop and kill off all your cells.

Thay stopped basically bathing people in radiation like that years ago. The statement is flase, and it's not applicable here in any event.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Winning a battle does not equal equal winning the war.
Who's to say the synthetics would not raise again and win this time?

Who's to say a giant hippopotamus won't destroy the galaxy tomorrow?
You can't base everything on what ifs and maybes.

[The Angry One]

cerberus1701 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

When you go to a hospital, they will irradiate your entire body and kills off all mature healthy cells because cancer cells could always develop and kill off all your cells.

Thay stopped basically bathing people in radiation like that years ago. The statement is flase, and it's not applicable here in any event.

It's Catalyst logic.

[Sisterofshane]

cerberus1701 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

When you go to a hospital, they will irradiate your entire body and kills off all mature healthy cells because cancer cells could always develop and kill off all your cells.

Thay stopped basically bathing people in radiation like that years ago. The statement is flase, and it's not applicable here in any event.

Exactly, it's false.  That's why it relates to the catalyst...

You know, using a false premise to justify murder...

[MisterJB]

Sisterofshane wrote...

The quote was specifically that they were "turning the tide"...and it is a cut off sentence.  The end of that sentence is presumed to be "of the Metacon War."

Meaning they were winning enough to consider themselves to be winning.  Talking to Javik kind of convinced me that the Protheans were Anti AI before the Reaper War - which was why they felt the need to destroy the Zha'til in the first place.

The Metacon War is but one battle in the unending war between synthetic and organics. Maybe the protheans win this war. And then maybe more Synthetics rise and utterly destroy the protheans.

[Jog0907]

Sisterofshane wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Winning a battle does not equal equal winning the war.
Who's to say the synthetics would not raise again and win this time?

The quote was specifically that they were "turning the tide"...and it is a cut off sentence.  The end of that sentence is presumed to be "of the Metacon War."

Meaning they were winning enough to consider themselves to be winning.  Talking to Javik kind of convinced me that the Protheans were Anti AI before the Reaper War - which was why they felt the need to destroy the Zha'til in the first place.

The protheans won actually, they made the zha'til system star go supernova and blew them up. He says than that was the point they decided to become a more ruthless empire that forced species into it.

Modifié par Jog0907, 02 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[liggy002]

The Angry One wrote...

It gets worse, the Zha'till who the Protheans were fighting weren't even synthetics, they were hybrids.
Knowing the Protheans, they probably started the war.

The Reapers were the ones who forced the AIs to overtake their hosts, turning the Zha'till into monsters.

Just think about this for a second. Not only is Javik - the only major character to carry the theme of organics vs. synthetics in all of ME3 - a DLC character not part of the main game, almost every revelation of his subverts the Catalyst's claims completely.

It's obvious here that Synthesis and Destroy aren't what they appear to be.  The Catalyst is clearly lying.

[Soulstice88]

There's stuff in game that contradicts the entire premise of Bieber-Reaper and his technological singularity? You don't say... /sarcasm

I agree, the only time in game or in lore we see AI's being an actual threat to organic life is when the Reapers involve themselves.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
Who's to say a giant hippopotamus won't destroy the galaxy tomorrow?
You can't base everything on what ifs and maybes.

I don't. I say that I would risk another geth uprsising and would try anything possible to defeat them before turning humanity into a Reaper.
The Catalyst believes otherwise.