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[detbasketball13]

 How did they not?

When you release a clearly unfinished game (story wise) how did they not expect this controversy.

Why did they scrap the original ending along with the large amount of cuts to the current story.

So what if the og ending was leaked, Its not like im going to look up the ending on the internet before I play the game.

[Gatt9]

Well...

-First, Bioware's a brand name now, the company you are thinking of was purchased by EA, who now apply the label to their non-sports related studios. EA has a long standing history of just shipping games without attention to quality.

-They scrapped the story because the decision was made to continue Mass Effect beyond the planned trilogy, and a satisfying conclusion has a tendency to interfere with DLC and sequels. EA wanted to make it one of their "Annual releases", so the plans apparently went out the window.

EA's "Explanations" both formally and informally appear to be PR spin on a marketing plan that was interrupted when they suddenly discovered that customers are not something to be trod upon, and they will turn on you if you push them too much.

[Cancer Puppet]

This game needed 6-12 more months of development time. This was not in line with EA's financial plans, thus you get Mass Effect 3 in it's current form.

[RocketManSR2]

I think they did, there just wasn't anything the team working on ME3 could do about it. They were being pushed by those higher up. Speculations! The truth? We'll probably never know.

[CHARK19]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

This game needed 6-12 more months of development time. This was not in line with EA's financial plans, thus you get Mass Effect 3 in it's current form.

Your signature is funny.

I don't think it was as bad as everyone says it was./ thread

[devSin]

They did not change the ending because of the leak. The leak had pretty much the exact same ending.

[Cainne Chapel]

I still dont get where people say "rushed" and now "annual release".

ME3 had the exact same amount of dev time as ME2 did, and it DIDN'T have to do a whole gameplay overhaul either.

The story wasn't unfinished in the least, the ending was just sub par. Up UNTIL the ending I thought the story was very well done and while I do wish there was MORE. I'm not complaining either.

[shepskisaac]

Gatt9 wrote...
-They scrapped the story because the decision was made to continue Mass Effect beyond the planned trilogy, and a satisfying conclusion has a tendency to interfere with DLC and sequels. EA wanted to make it one of their "Annual releases", so the plans apparently went out the window.

Except that the game is calrely not build for post-enging DLC (post-ending save is from before Cronos-Station) and the endings themselves leave the galaxy in such different states (synthetis = all life in the galaxy transformed hello!) that any sequel ain't possible withotu picking 1 canon ending, retconning or uber heavy railroading. So frankly, what are you talking about? Not to mention that there's no "scrapped ending"

Modifié par IsaacShep, 02 mai 2012 - 03:34 .

[Foxhound2121]

I picture a very small participant room full of groupthink.

Basically agreeing because they are afraid to disagree with someones wet dream of speculation for everyone.

[Atakuma]

Somebody stole their crystal balls.

[Cainne Chapel]

I still believe though almost ANY way they ended the trilogy there would be SOME backlash.

I mean hey, look at how some people received ME2. Now its all great and wonderful but 3 months ago it was still the antichrist to some

[shurikenmanta]

They knew, it was a conspiracy that they planned to anger us all because they are evil puppy-eating people.

They planned it from their tower of evil, which is like Sauron's tower but with the EA GAYMZ logo instead of the eye.

[detbasketball13]

(Waves fist in the Air) ....... Damn you EA!!!!You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell! (planet of apes reference)

[N7ReaperKiller]

It is very easy to see that the ending given was NOT the original ending in mind. Mass Effect 3 was supposed to end here. EA made the decision to continue the series, hence the old man at the end telling the story to the child. "Tell me another story about THE SHEPARD".

"Alright, one more".

EA may have meant well, but the ending was so choppy and made so little sense that it was INSULTING to the fans of the series. You want to talk about "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY?" How about letting Mass Effect end the way the writers wanted it to end. They did the same thing with God of War III.

The fact of the matter is Mass Effect 3 is a huge money maker for EA and they are not ready to let the franchise die out or change yet.

Regardless, I am hoping that Bio-ware/EA pick up on the fans anger and do something with the indoctrination theory, because all of these plot wholes would be filled up very well with this fan fiction layout. All they would have to explain at that point is why the hell the normandy left earth to run away from a giant shockwave.

Anyone who watched that ending and thought THAT was what the original ending was supposed to be is missing a few screws.

As a writer myself, I have a MAJOR appreciation for Mass Effect. To say that they have done such an amazing job up until this point just to end with a fizz instead of a bang would be unrealistic.

I am routing for Bio-ware to do the right thing and hope that the DLC will cover up enough wholes to the point where the sequel EA wants will be purchasable. If the DLC disappoints, I will be calling up EA demanding my money back for my Collector's Edition copy in protest. I hope others will join me.

[Belhawk]

I agree, the ending was sub par!
And it needed more development time because they added multi-player to the game, which took people away from the single player. I loved the story line abt curing the genophage (sp?). And I hated the ending as much as I loved the Korgan/Turian or Geth/Quarian story lines.
I do not think that explaining the ending better will help improve my bad feeling abt the ending. It is still death by Reaper, death by stagnation, or death by relay explosions.

[AlanC9]

detbasketball13 wrote...
Why did they scrap the original ending along with the large amount of cuts to the current story.

I didn't actually see a large amount of cuts. Am I looking at the wrong pre-release script? And the original ending wasn't any better as far as I can tell.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[royceclemens]

Author Hubris. If you're successful long enough, the train of thought goes from "I Produce Things People Like" to "People Like Things Because I Produce Them." After that, quality control goes in the crapper and in their eyes it's NEVER their fault. The audience is being uncooperative. Just look at M. Night Shyamalan.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I still believe though almost ANY way they ended the trilogy there would be SOME backlash.

I mean hey, look at how some people received ME2. Now its all great and wonderful but 3 months ago it was still the antichrist to some

I don't believe that. All ME3 needed was these four straightforward endings.

1. The galaxy is saved and Shepard rides off into the sunset paragon ending.

2. Reapers are defeated but at a massive cost neutral ending.

3. Shepard triumphs but crowns himself galactic dictator renegade ending.

4. Shepard betrays all and joins the reapers indoctrination ending.

[Binary_Helix 1]

royceclemens wrote...

Author Hubris. If you're successful long enough, the train of thought goes from "I Produce Things People Like" to "People Like Things Because I Produce Them." After that, quality control goes in the crapper and in their eyes it's NEVER their fault. The audience is being uncooperative. Just look at M. Night Shyamalan.

Truth.

[AlanC9]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
1. The galaxy is saved and Shepard rides off into the sunset paragon ending.

2. Reapers are defeated but at a massive cost neutral ending.

3. Shepard triumphs but crowns himself galactic dictator renegade ending.

4. Shepard betrays all and joins the reapers indoctrination ending.

#2 isn't worth picking. Try again.

And #3 is silly, but if silliness  bothered me I wouldn't play CRPGs.

Edit: let me de-snark for a second. I think you might be on to something. CRPG fans can't handle the sort of unhappy endings that sci-fi fans can, and Bio made a big mistake in thinking that they could.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mai 2012 - 04:19 .

[shurikenmanta]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I still believe though almost ANY way they ended the trilogy there would be SOME backlash.

I mean hey, look at how some people received ME2. Now its all great and wonderful but 3 months ago it was still the antichrist to some

I don't believe that. All ME3 needed was these four straightforward endings.

1. The galaxy is saved and Shepard rides off into the sunset paragon ending.

2. Reapers are defeated but at a massive cost neutral ending.

3. Shepard triumphs but crowns himself galactic dictator renegade ending.

4. Shepard betrays all and joins the reapers indoctrination ending.

See, then you'd get people complaining that there wasn't a 'Shepard musters an army but fails hard and Reapers win' ending. Or a 'Cerberus does a Pearl Harbor and takes over' ending. Or a 'Friend Zone Turian marries Valley Girl Quarian' ending.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 02 mai 2012 - 04:01 .

[Cainne Chapel]

I honestly have no opinion on what the endings would be, but shepard crowning himself galactic dictator seems a bit out of place. Even as evil as renegade shepard is, he still follows chains of command and while a competent leader he doesnt seem to be a dictator... a dick? maybe but not a dictator.

If anything they didn't need to CHANGE the endings so much as have clarity and closure from the get go. We need to see HOW our choices effected things post ending and ideally how they effected things during the ending missions.

The ending mission (London) should have played out similar to how the suicide mission did, with Shepard being overrun and (Geth/Quarians/Turians/Asari/Salarians/Old Squaddies etc, coming to the rescue to ease pressure off Sheps strike team so that they could get to the beam and allows those that live/die to be based on the EMS score with said race, etc.

But thats just off the top of my head. No need to go spreading it around...

[Binary_Helix 1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
1. The galaxy is saved and Shepard rides off into the sunset paragon ending.

2. Reapers are defeated but at a massive cost neutral ending.

3. Shepard triumphs but crowns himself galactic dictator renegade ending.

4. Shepard betrays all and joins the reapers indoctrination ending.

#2 isn't worth picking. Try again.

And #3 is silly, but if silliness  bothered me I wouldn't play CRPGs.

#2  would be for players who went down the "paragde" or "renegon" path. Snark debunked. Try Again

#3 isn't silly at all. It's similar to the renegade ending in ME1. Ends justify the means, political power, but also safeguarding the galaxy.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 02 mai 2012 - 04:23 .

[Cainne Chapel]

#2 would be hard to do given that both Paragon and Renegade points add to the overall bar in ME3. So Neutral doesnt even seem to be an option UNLESS people picked it.

Still with 3, shepard isn't one for politics and I dont see even a renegade shepard trying to overthrow the universe. If anything he'd get collector lasered again or something of that nature.

Nah I see a renegade shepard more likely to win, espouse the virtues of humanity and then help usher in a TRUE human-led council with someone he trusts at the helm. He'd still take other races input of course, after all they helped in the final battle.

I would also like a Shepard fails, organics reaped option as well for those with low EMS and so forth

[Binary_Helix 1]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I honestly have no opinion on what the endings would be, but shepard crowning himself galactic dictator seems a bit out of place. Even as evil as renegade shepard is, he still follows chains of command and while a competent leader he doesnt seem to be a dictator... a dick? maybe but not a dictator..

Renegade Shepard basically murdered the council to advance humanity's status. He also commits genocide on a number of occasions.