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[Drone696]

The body decays. Other than that, nothing.

[mousestalker]

Your relatives get all your stuff. Plan accordingly.

[Naughty Bear]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Nothing. Heaven and hell are just fictional locations.

I honestly believe it must of been created by the mentally insane, they did believe in witches and sorcery after all back then so it must be all superstitious crap.

Just completely illogical.

Bashing religion are we? How wonderful.

Actually no, i just can not think that way, i really can not wrap my head on how it works and on how people would believe in it.

I am a science person and i believe that everything can be answered logically.

I'm not a hater of religion. I don't care what you believe in, who you are, age, sex, nationality what ever.

It is just...strange. Not in a bad way, i can't explain it, perhaps you got to be a believer to understand, i doubt i would ever know the answer to it.

Like i said, i prefer to stick with science.

You should think carefully before you post then.

People hold fast to their religion because of faith. If they want to have something to beleive in, let 'em. It doesn't hurt you, and it certainly isn't hurting them.

I don't know what I beleive. I'd like to imagine that I don't just rot in the ground, but it's a question that hasn't, nor will it ever be answered by the living. You have to die to find out, and then you aren't comming back to talk about it.

A problem i have in real life, i tend to talk without thinking that i could hurt someone. Strange considering that i always have a plan prepared for most situations.

I should really focus on stopping it.

[termokanden]

mousestalker wrote...

Your relatives get all your stuff. Plan accordingly.

I'm fine with that. I like them more than I like myself anyway.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Naughty Bear wrote...
I am open minded, but i still don't understand how people can believe in religion, like i said, perhaps i am not a believe and i will never know or why on how it works and what makes people believe in religion.

• DNA.

Four chemical substances make up DNA and all living creatures have the same DNA structure and yet every individual has unique DNA making them truly special.

• Music.

Music is composed of several notes and truly speaks to a human. There's power behind it especially behind choral music.

• Universe.

Billions of galaxies and billions of stars litter the universe all of which look beautiful. Even destruction in the universe gives birth to new life. This is a form of recycling and balance.

• Cycle of life.

Plants gain their food from the sun. There are animals which eat plants and these animals are eaten by other animals which are in turn eaten by us. Then we have the insects like bees who go about pollinating plants and we observe amazing systems within the insect world and it seems to all be hereditary. Also without insects life would not exist as we know it. Is it not funny that it's the small things which actually sustain life?

• Nature.

Kinda of ties in with the cycle of life but note that nature has plants and all the avaliable resources we need for our technology and medicines. Coincidence? I don't think so.

• Human body.

The basic framing of our body is symmetric.

Now the way I and others see it, these things don't point to random coincidences but rather to purpose and design. Anyways, I don't know why this topic has turned into a discussion about religion/God now but I saw it coming.

Concerning the afterlife:

• Ghosts.
• NDE.
• OBE.

The three things above are things that have been reported since records begun. I know for a fact that the ancients spoke of ghosts and there's even historic records of groups of people seeing a ghost/ghosts which I think does say something about an afterlife.

On another note, not all believers have believed in an afterlife. The Sadducees were a Jewish sect who didn't believe in a Heaven or Hell and yet they believed in God. Saint Paul was put before them in court along with Pharisees once and he managed to get the two to argue against each other with the Sadducees claiming there was no life after death and the Pharisees saying otherwise. The result was that the two groups raged a great argument and the attention shifted away from Paul as he was taken back to Barracks for protection. I'd imagine Paul was smiling and nodding his head up and down like a boss as the two groups forgot about him.

Acts 23:6 - 10

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 02 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[Fishy]

To be honest I am agnostic. No one really has the answer.

[Fishy]

makalathbonagin wrote...

it is a simple enough question to answer
what happens after death?
and what exactly there was before life? Nothing. You cease to exist and that's it ..most of the religions just can't accept that so they invent fallacies of all sorts

Yet you don't have the answer either. But the difference between you and a believer.. It's him .. He believe and you have just an opinion. Which will probalby change when Y scientist will discover something new. If science proved the existence of the supernatural you would  believe it.  But since it's not 'Natural' and can't be observed that won't ever happens. So in some way you also believe in something. You take someone else work for granted intil proven otherwise. The difference is that religion  stay the same because it's work with Fath and not observation.

What a lot of scientist lack is insight. Since they just believe in what they can see. That when I think faith and science can work together. Religion ain't that evil just like scientist were not witch before.
Religion  has given a lot to humanity. Not every man in every religion are virtuous just like the people that govern country or scientist who drug people for the benefit of some mega phamaceutical corporation. Hypocrite people are everywhere.

Personnaly I think both spirituality and science can work together. I love science. I eat science but I also love the unknowable.

[Sigma Tauri]

Naughty Bear wrote...
I am open minded, but i still don't understand how people can believe in religion, like i said, perhaps i am not a believe and i will never know or why on how it works and what makes people believe in religion.

Engage in a dialectic with a rational priest, rabbi, imam or monk. Don't assume they exist in a bubble of their own reality unless you found out that they're just totally crazy.

Understanding works well without thinking that they're holding back humanity.

[FeralEwok]

Your body becomes one with the Force.

I am so going to come back as a Force Ghost and tell my friends to go to the Degobah system and what have you.

[Ravensword]

It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people.

[Jestina]

You decompose and smell really bad.

[b2smooth]

I guess I am a rare hybrid of a person who believes in both science and religion. I personally believe the two go hand in hand. The problem is both sides are so afraid of each other that you rarely get people that agree with me. A lot of religious people are afraid of technology/science because it ventures into the unknown. By that same token a lot of scientific people are afraid of religion for the same reason. Science can be as ridiculous as religion in a lot of situations because once something is believed it is taken as "gospel". The world is flat comes to mind as an example. And up to that point it was "scientific fact". Scientific theories are proven wrong all the time and new theories are created by the best hypothesis of the time. As far as religion goes, if you believe in God, you have to believe he gave us science as a way to explore to the fullest what our capabilities are. And whatever resources are provided by his design were provided for us to explore and utilize. I for one believe in both and am in no way trying to convince anybody otherwise. But if believing in something requires it to be proven first science itself would not exist. Columbus sailed the Atlantic based on little more than faith.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Ummm...I don't know many religious people who deny science. In fact some of the top scientists have been religious. The only thing that religious people often deny is evolution but I consider that pseudoscience. Having similarity in DNA to an animal isn't proof of evolution because as I pointed out above, all living things on the earth have the same DNA structure along with other similarities. This could easily point to an designer rather than a common ancestor. Combine that with the fact that evolution has zero transitional fossil evidence (missing links, incomplete fossils and imaginary lines of ancestors isn't proof) and I think it's a fairy tale.

Concerning the science (proper science) that actually saves lives though and yes, religious people (just like the non-religious) believe in that.

[Dblue]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Ummm...I don't know many religious people who deny science. In fact some of the top scientists have been religious. The only thing that religious people often deny is evolution but I consider that pseudoscience. Having similarity in DNA to an animal isn't proof of evolution because as I pointed out above, all living things on the earth have the same DNA structure along with other similarities. This could easily point to an designer rather than a common ancestor. Combine that with the fact that evolution has zero transitional fossil evidence (missing links, incomplete fossils and imaginary lines of ancestors isn't proof) and I think it's a fairy tale.

Concerning the science (proper science) that actually saves lives though and yes, religious people (just like the non-religious) believe in that.

You might actually want to learn something about evolution before saying things like it not being real science.

[Dblue]

b2smooth wrote...

I guess I am a rare hybrid of a person who believes in both science and religion. I personally believe the two go hand in hand. The problem is both sides are so afraid of each other that you rarely get people that agree with me. A lot of religious people are afraid of technology/science because it ventures into the unknown. By that same token a lot of scientific people are afraid of religion for the same reason. Science can be as ridiculous as religion in a lot of situations because once something is believed it is taken as "gospel". The world is flat comes to mind as an example. And up to that point it was "scientific fact". Scientific theories are proven wrong all the time and new theories are created by the best hypothesis of the time. As far as religion goes, if you believe in God, you have to believe he gave us science as a way to explore to the fullest what our capabilities are. And whatever resources are provided by his design were provided for us to explore and utilize. I for one believe in both and am in no way trying to convince anybody otherwise. But if believing in something requires it to be proven first science itself would not exist. Columbus sailed the Atlantic based on little more than faith.

Science is in no way afraid of religion. Science is always challenging itself and part of the scientific process is trying to disprove hypothesis and exploring the unknown. The reason science doesn't really jive with religion is the whole concept of faith and believing in something without evidence. That directly contradicts everything that science stands for. One big thing science has over religion is scientists are willing to say they don't know a lot of things and don't need to make up some explaination for it. Religion just explains everything we don't know as it just being the way god intended or that he works in mysterious ways and encourages people to be content with ignorance.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@b2smooth, you have a proper kind understanding, I like your attitude.

Sadly science makes some atheist 'opportunists', like arrogant jerks who like to insult whatever is not empirical and to be proud of their disbelief. Previous line also can be applied for zealots, with few modifications.

One of the biggest tragedies happened when 'Rationalist Deists' turned to 'Naturalist Atheists' since second half of 19th century ... Thanks to the influence of Romanticism philosophy on me, it didn't happen to me.

[Chuvvy]

An eternity in hell, an eternity in heaven, or nothing.

[slimgrin]

I get my body embalmed and splayed on a cross in some swanky Soho art show. Should be fun.