Well...
The gray-rain curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass. And then you see it...White shores...and beyond. A far, green country under a swift sunrise.
Oh and in reality your bowels empty all over yourself.
What happens after we die?
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The Jackal
, mai 02 2012 03:51
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#102
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 02:33
Daennikus
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Well, Columbus was a navigator and calling him a scientist is a stretch. Also, in those times, being a non-believer, a heretic, was asking for serious trouble.b2smooth wrote...
I guess I am a rare hybrid of a person who believes in both science and religion. I personally believe the two go hand in hand. The problem is both sides are so afraid of each other that you rarely get people that agree with me. A lot of religious people are afraid of technology/science because it ventures into the unknown. By that same token a lot of scientific people are afraid of religion for the same reason. Science can be as ridiculous as religion in a lot of situations because once something is believed it is taken as "gospel". The world is flat comes to mind as an example. And up to that point it was "scientific fact". Scientific theories are proven wrong all the time and new theories are created by the best hypothesis of the time. As far as religion goes, if you believe in God, you have to believe he gave us science as a way to explore to the fullest what our capabilities are. And whatever resources are provided by his design were provided for us to explore and utilize. I for one believe in both and am in no way trying to convince anybody otherwise. But if believing in something requires it to be proven first science itself would not exist. Columbus sailed the Atlantic based on little more than faith.
What do you mean by "scientific theories are proven wrong all the time"? That doesn't mean that science is being overpowered by non-scientific reasoning. There is no such thing as non-scientific reasoning! Any kind of reasoning IS science. If someone gave us the ability to think, then we should all be able to make our own theories about anything. That's why you have such disciplines like theology.
About religious scientists: they are individuals who use their spiritual opinion to interpret the patterns they see in a scientific analysis of all matter. There is an order in all things and there is chaos. The concept is extremely vague. The way things work sometimes baffles us because they are beyond our understanding. The human brain has its limits, and when you delve long enough into physics of the universe you are soon confronted with the unknown. Some people choosing to go from the pre-existence of god and try to debunk it. Others choose not to let any spiritual, metaphysical concept influence the results of their research. In any case, the idea of god is inherant to the human mind. With or without the belief in god, we exist. Period.
#103
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 03:01
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Wematanye takes us to the Far Beyond.
#104
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 06:34
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Elton John is dead wrote...
Ummm...I don't know many religious people who deny science. In fact some of the top scientists have been religious. The only thing that religious people often deny is evolution but I consider that pseudoscience. Having similarity in DNA to an animal isn't proof of evolution because as I pointed out above, all living things on the earth have the same DNA structure along with other similarities. This could easily point to an designer rather than a common ancestor. Combine that with the fact that evolution has zero transitional fossil evidence (missing links, incomplete fossils and imaginary lines of ancestors isn't proof) and I think it's a fairy tale.
Concerning the science (proper science) that actually saves lives though and yes, religious people (just like the non-religious) believe in that.
Do you have any evidence of the existence of this designer?
#105
Posté 04 mai 2012 - 07:48
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b2smooth wrote...
I guess I am a rare hybrid of a person who believes in both science and religion. I personally believe the two go hand in hand. The problem is both sides are so afraid of each other that you rarely get people that agree with me. A lot of religious people are afraid of technology/science because it ventures into the unknown. By that same token a lot of scientific people are afraid of religion for the same reason. Science can be as ridiculous as religion in a lot of situations because once something is believed it is taken as "gospel". The world is flat comes to mind as an example. And up to that point it was "scientific fact". Scientific theories are proven wrong all the time and new theories are created by the best hypothesis of the time. As far as religion goes, if you believe in God, you have to believe he gave us science as a way to explore to the fullest what our capabilities are. And whatever resources are provided by his design were provided for us to explore and utilize. I for one believe in both and am in no way trying to convince anybody otherwise. But if believing in something requires it to be proven first science itself would not exist. Columbus sailed the Atlantic based on little more than faith.
You seem to be a bit confused by the word science. "Science" has been around for a long time. However, science as we know it is rather new. classical Popperian science is less than a century old. The modern scientific method is designed to remove any influence of human bias and falibility as best as possible. Double blind studies, falsifiability, peer-review, statistical significance etc etc are all concepts absolutely vital to the search for truth. Everything supernatural beliefs and other nonsense have is guess work and good rhetoric. Once they stop guessing and employ a proper (and honest) methodology they become science.
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