No, I'm not. Having some where she'd die was to be expected, but just not *every* choice is death, no.
Are you OK with Shepard dying at the end of ME3?
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kglaser
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#27
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:26
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My shepard lived, dunno what you're talking about.
#28
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:27
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It should be possible in one of the endings. And I believe that it should be the hardest to achieve too.
My problem with Shep dying is that she already died. So she already passed trought the reborn/ressurect hero thing in Mass Effect 2. It's just stupid to kill her a second time just to make her more heroic. This kinda makes her previous sacrifice meaningless.
This also makes "touch this lever and die", "jump right onto the beam" and "walk directly an exploding device" fells utterly stupid. They forced her to sacrifice herself. It was different than her death on ME2 to save Joker, or her death as a result of a bad playtrough at the end of ME2.
Mordin's redemption was a meaningful and beautiful sacrifice. Legion's too. That's the kind of death that Shepard deserves. Not those stupid from the ending.
My problem with Shep dying is that she already died. So she already passed trought the reborn/ressurect hero thing in Mass Effect 2. It's just stupid to kill her a second time just to make her more heroic. This kinda makes her previous sacrifice meaningless.
This also makes "touch this lever and die", "jump right onto the beam" and "walk directly an exploding device" fells utterly stupid. They forced her to sacrifice herself. It was different than her death on ME2 to save Joker, or her death as a result of a bad playtrough at the end of ME2.
Mordin's redemption was a meaningful and beautiful sacrifice. Legion's too. That's the kind of death that Shepard deserves. Not those stupid from the ending.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:27
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ItsNotMyProblem wrote...
Seryl wrote...
ItsNotMyProblem wrote...
KingNothing125 wrote...
"The hero must die" trope is annoying and cliche, and (for example), I'm glad JK Rowling resisted the myriad calls for her to off Harry Potter.
WAIT...she did?
SPOILERS DUDE!
The book was released almost five years ago mate. There's a statue of limitations on this stuff.
WAIT...It was?!
WHAT THE HELL
There was a film and everything
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:27
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EnvyTB075 wrote...
My shepard lived, dunno what you're talking about.
My Shepard (and me) don't play MP, so we don't know what you're talking about
#31
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:32
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These threads seem to always produce the same general response: "Yes, I'm happy with Shepard dying as long as it's only one possible outcome (as well as survival)".
Which the current endings (seem) to offer. The problems with the current endings, on this matter, is that many people don't like the reasons Shepard may/may not die at the end. And many more people, myself included, are angry that it doesn't seem to matter either way as we don't know what happened to anyone; no closure. Nothing is really added to one's experience by getting the "breath" scene. It just raises more questions.
Hopefully the EC will address this.
Which the current endings (seem) to offer. The problems with the current endings, on this matter, is that many people don't like the reasons Shepard may/may not die at the end. And many more people, myself included, are angry that it doesn't seem to matter either way as we don't know what happened to anyone; no closure. Nothing is really added to one's experience by getting the "breath" scene. It just raises more questions.
Hopefully the EC will address this.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:33
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The problem is that the death is not a heroic sacrifice.
Ultimate Sacrifice was near perfect IMO. That's my favorite ending of any BioWare game ever made.
ME3 was just death. You don't defeat the Reapers, and if you do, you still didn't do anything to answer the question (creator vs. created) they throw at you in the last moments of the game (destroy and control don't even pretend to answer it, and synthesis is just complete nonsense). They basically give you a problem with no solution and then kill you, in the hopes that maybe you think you did something worthwhile.
My last impression of Shepard is of a fool, not a hero. And I'm not at all OK with that.
Ultimate Sacrifice was near perfect IMO. That's my favorite ending of any BioWare game ever made.
ME3 was just death. You don't defeat the Reapers, and if you do, you still didn't do anything to answer the question (creator vs. created) they throw at you in the last moments of the game (destroy and control don't even pretend to answer it, and synthesis is just complete nonsense). They basically give you a problem with no solution and then kill you, in the hopes that maybe you think you did something worthwhile.
My last impression of Shepard is of a fool, not a hero. And I'm not at all OK with that.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:36
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devSin wrote...
ME3 was just death. You don't defeat the Reapers, and if you do, you still didn't do anything to answer the question (creator vs. created) they throw at you in the last moments of the game (destroy and control don't even pretend to answer it, and synthesis is just complete nonsense). They basically give you a problem with no solution and then kill you, in the hopes that maybe you think you did something worthwhile.
This supposes that the question was worth answering. I never thought it was; Reapers went BOOM for me.
devSin wrote...
My last impression of Shepard is of a fool, not a hero. And I'm not at all OK with that.
I like this.
#34
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:36
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No at least not for my Shepard I was planning on going home with Ashley. I thought it was just cruel to get her hopes up and have Shepard die on her a second time. 
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:36
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Mev186 wrote...
No, I'm not. Call me old fashioned, but I just don't see why Shepard can't be rewarded with a bit of happiness at the end of this journey. I knew it was a possibility, and if Shepard died in a way that made sense, I would eventually accept it ,but I hoped I would at least be given the option of keeping Shepard alive in the end.
I second this sentiment. I fully expected Shepard to die in one of the endings, or several of them, even... but I also expected there to be one or two options that allowed you to manage to walk away; battered, bruised, and an inch from death, perhaps... but alive. I expected there to be at least one small chance at happiness, that would seem impossible, but, with enough work and effort, could be obtained.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:39
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For me, the ending was just so tragically close to being a supremely-moving, memorable, meaningful gaming experience...the game's denial of even that most basic dignity for one of the greatest and most-respected game characters of our time makes me perhaps much sadder than it should
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:39
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Fine with Shep dying, fine with Earth being destroyed, fine with the fleet being destroyed, fine with Normandy being destroyed, fine with squad being destroyed.
What I am not fine with is the application of the ending choices, their presentation and the scant regard for previously choices and their affect on the end.
What I am not fine with is the application of the ending choices, their presentation and the scant regard for previously choices and their affect on the end.
#38
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:43
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draken-heart wrote...
the game series is Shepard's story, and Shepard is Bioware's creation, so they can Kill him/her if they want. i have no right in forcing them to keep a hero they would want to kill alive.
I'm sorry. Are we not allowed to have prefrences now? Not allowed to to think we'd have done something the least bit differently? Not allowed to think how we'd do it would be better (and if one does not think it an improvement, why imagine it?)
Because if so I will gladly quit writing, reading, playing and watching everything.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:45
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I would be if I hadn't invested the time doing *everything* in the prior two games with the specific goal of getting the best conclusion possible.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:47
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kglaser wrote...
EnvyTB075 wrote...
My shepard lived, dunno what you're talking about.
My Shepard (and me) don't play MP, so we don't know what you're talking about
touche
Whats stopping you playing MP?
#41
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:47
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I can't make a new Shepard knowing that I'm sending them off to be disintegrated, so it pretty much crushes the replay value to all the games for me 
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#42
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:48
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Options people, I want them.
But If that's not available I will elaborate.
On my first playthrough I realized mid way through that Shepard was going to die. However I thought it would be tasteful and capping off a truly epic ending.
I was ok with it. Sure that his death would (in a sad way) finish the game's story very completely.
In short I thought the ending would be so good and so well done (and probably bittersweet) that the memory of it would live on in my mind for years. Much like the end of all my other favorite series.
Instead.... well, we got what we got.
So now that I know the endings are terrible and NOTHING will ever erase the horrific original endings for me. I demand as recompenses that Shepard have a chance to live, and not some BS gasp at the end. Actual, walking, talking alive at the end.
But If that's not available I will elaborate.
On my first playthrough I realized mid way through that Shepard was going to die. However I thought it would be tasteful and capping off a truly epic ending.
I was ok with it. Sure that his death would (in a sad way) finish the game's story very completely.
In short I thought the ending would be so good and so well done (and probably bittersweet) that the memory of it would live on in my mind for years. Much like the end of all my other favorite series.
Instead.... well, we got what we got.
So now that I know the endings are terrible and NOTHING will ever erase the horrific original endings for me. I demand as recompenses that Shepard have a chance to live, and not some BS gasp at the end. Actual, walking, talking alive at the end.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:48
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If the death makes sense and is done very well, then I wouldn't have a problem. This is not the case in the current endings.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:58
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I'm okay with it as a possibility. Or multiple possibilities, I'm all for options.
But making it unavoidable is just wrong. It's a cheap ploy to make the game seem darker and edgier when it's really just more cynical and manipulative.
Some of us prefer Shepard to retire peacefully with the LI of choice. Shepard already died once for the cause, after all.
But making it unavoidable is just wrong. It's a cheap ploy to make the game seem darker and edgier when it's really just more cynical and manipulative.
Some of us prefer Shepard to retire peacefully with the LI of choice. Shepard already died once for the cause, after all.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 04:59
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EnvyTB075 wrote...
kglaser wrote...
EnvyTB075 wrote...
My shepard lived, dunno what you're talking about.
My Shepard (and me) don't play MP, so we don't know what you're talking about
touche
Whats stopping you playing MP?
I'm an antisocial bastard.
#47
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 05:01
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No. He needs to survive in at least one outcome.
Why would I play for one hundred hours again if I know Shepard can't be happy.
It defies logic.
Why would I play for one hundred hours again if I know Shepard can't be happy.
It defies logic.
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Posté 02 mai 2012 - 05:03
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I'm okay if shepard gone in epic way like mordin.
but I think it should be an option, many player grow attached to their shepard and want
their characters to survive in the end. what's wrong with that?
and I think "self-sacrifice hero" is kinda boring... I prefer something like arrival ending.
but I think it should be an option, many player grow attached to their shepard and want
their characters to survive in the end. what's wrong with that?
and I think "self-sacrifice hero" is kinda boring... I prefer something like arrival ending.
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#49
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 05:14
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kglaser wrote...
EnvyTB075 wrote...
kglaser wrote...
EnvyTB075 wrote...
My shepard lived, dunno what you're talking about.
My Shepard (and me) don't play MP, so we don't know what you're talking about
touche
Whats stopping you playing MP?
I'm an antisocial bastard.
Thats too bad.
#50
Posté 02 mai 2012 - 05:17
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It's great as an option, silly as the only possibility.
