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[exelius_]

I queue for gold on random pretty much exclusively. I have pretty good success with it too; unless I get a crappy combination like Reactor or White with Reapers (protip: reapers on a small map means you better have a killer biotic team.) The reason for this is that I'm picky with my groups.

I don't really care about your N7 rating. What a low N7 rating makes me do is check your weapons. If you're trying to run a gold with a Mantis II or an Avenger IV, you obviously don't know what you're in for and you should run a bunch of silvers and get some better weapons. You need good weapons to run golds, and you need high levels of them to make sure they do enough damage to kill things and don't destroy your cooldowns.

Other reasons I will not team with you in a public group:

• Asari Adept snipers. Sorry, this tactic may be ok on silvers, and you may get top score on golds if you have a team that can run CC for you, but AAs should be detonating explosions. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. If I see an AA with a Carnifex, I will immediately switch to Justicar so you can ignite for me. Likewise, if I see a Justicar, I'll switch to my AA with a Carnifex.
• Krogan Sentinels/Soldiers on a random. Sorry, Krogan have too many weaknesses that you become a liability if the map and/or enemy type are wrong. You're totally welcome if we're playing Geth or Cerberus on the right map though.
• Vanguards with the wrong weapon. You need 200% cooldown reduction (unless you are Krogan, then a GPS X is forgivable.) Given your other restrictions, that means you need a shotgun. Given how heavy most shotguns are, that usually means a Disciple or Scimitar. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. They are just better at it.
• Groups without the possibility of tech/biotic combos. This is probably the main reason I drop groups, to be honest. When I see a Random/Random/Gold and the other 3 people are a Salarian Infiltrator, a Human Infiltrator, and a Turian Soldier... just no. It's not going to happen. None of you obviously understand how combos on gold work.
• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

Anyway, the basic idea with gold randoms is that YOU CANNOT PLAY THE class YOU WANT IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE GROUP. You need to have some sort of synergy with at least one of your teammates. If you see your teammates are an Asari Adept and a Salarian Engineer? Pull out your Turain Sentinel and Overload and Warp everything. See 2 Asari Adepts? Pull out your Justicar and Reave the night away. Team has biotics and/or tech burst covered? Feel free to bust out your Soldier or Infiltrator and pop heads until the round is over.

A team on gold without some form of combo won't make it past wave 7. If you're lucky you'll get reapers and they'll decimate you on wave 3. I can't tell you how many completely unviable groups I see in public Random/Random/Golds. There is no such thing as an unviable class, but Soldier/Soldier/Infiltrator plus me in a gold is probably not gonna be too successful.

[SovereignWillReturn]

"Why I will not play golds with you"

Because you're super pretentious.

[R1cky Da Man 19]

exelius_ wrote...

• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

So you base some of your requirments on wether or not the rng has been kind to people?

[exelius_]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

"Why I will not play golds with you"

Because you're super pretentious.

Nope; I don't care about your N7 if you don't suck or what class you play if it's reasonable for the situation. It just frustrates me to continue getting in lobbies with a bunch of soldeirs, vanguards and infiltrators who don't have the slightest concept about combos or strategies.

If I'm playing with people I know, I don't care; 4x Krogan Sentinel that **** up. But randoms? Yeah, I'm a bit more picky because I just assume you are terrible. And in all honesty, is that really a bad assumption?

[Ryuji2]

OP has a point with tech/biotic combos. Don't underestimate 'em. Also agree with the low level weapons thing. Though the RNG gods may hate some people...I know it hates me regarding the Carnifex...

[exelius_]

R1cky Da Man 19 wrote...

exelius_ wrote...

• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

So you base some of your requirments on wether or not the rng has been kind to people?

Not my fault the game mechanics and BioWare's RNG store work that way; higher level weapons actually make you more effective (unlike a higher N7 rating.)

[LadyAlekto]

Ive played all soldier games wrecking reapers on glacier.....

Admittedly it had been people i trusted in gold that i couldn't care less what they did

With randoms, check for acceptable weapons and fitting amps, if neither is present, search again

Biotic combos are great, but they are not a requirement

A team that works together is more important then to have each class fitting each other, especially on random/random where a team must be prepared for anything that can come, so it is always best to have everyone at their best class, not the one some scrub cries it has to be, i do very well with a revenant justicar i get told in pubs can't work, same with my soldier that usually does not die before wave 9 (and then only if i am not carefull enough) and so forth

*edit*

OP, you do not even have unwavering, why the heck do you cry about pubs?

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 02 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[MageGreatKhasai]

Ehh, I'm not nearly this picky and I succeed on gold with random groups fairly often. Aside from the weapon levels you bring up some good points though. Adept snipers are just awful, and people seriously underuse/undervalue tech/biotic explosions.

[Karstedt]

I will only play random golds if i hear people talking. Silence is my cue to exit.

[Xetto]

R1cky Da Man 19 wrote...

exelius_ wrote...

• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

So you base some of your requirments on wether or not the rng has been kind to people?

I understand what op means. tho in a comboteam weapons isnt really any issue, tho i have the same issues with Adepts's packing heavy weapons. and similar ridicilouss situations.

[exelius_]

FUS ROH DAH FTW wrote...

True story *goes off to look at your MP manifest*

Go ahead, I have level X on nearly every non ultra-rare that matters (cept the Carnifex; still sitting at VII on that one.) It doesn't take much effort to get them up to level V, especially with the 99k credit spectre packs.

[BanditGR]

I have done Reactor Reapers as a Batarian Soldier with a level 18 Infiltrator, a level 20 Infiltrator and a level 20 engineer in a bit under half and hour. And I outscored them. I've have had similar experience on Glacier Reapers (Human Soldier, Batarian Soldier, SE, GI). I could probably sit here and bring you examples (including but not limited to Krogan classes) that completely destroy your argument that biotic combos are absolutely necessary for Random/Random/Gold. So I will say this (protip btw) : "reapers on a small map means you better have a competent team."

[jaDanger]

The thing that drives me crazy is when i see an AA with an smg or light pistol and queue up my drell adept only to see the adept exclusively using thier crappy weapon forcing me to just detonate using grenades.

[RaptorSolutions]

R1cky Da Man 19 wrote...

exelius_ wrote...

• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

So you base some of your requirments on wether or not the rng has been kind to people?

Well... I wouldn't want some unlucky guy to join me and jinx the team.

Seriously though, he did say level IV, so unless your luck is ridiculously bad you should get it... eventually.

Note that I'm probably biased though seeing as I managed to max out my non ultra rare weaponry.

[exelius_]

*edit*

OP, you do not even have unwavering, why the heck do you cry about pubs?

Cause I have awful, awful RNG luck on reactor and glacier. Small maps + upload objectives = you're gonna have a bad time.

Modifié par exelius_, 02 mai 2012 - 06:39 .

[RaptorSolutions]

jaDanger wrote...

The thing that drives me crazy is when i see an AA with an smg or light pistol and queue up my drell adept only to see the adept exclusively using thier crappy weapon forcing me to just detonate using grenades.

At least you could detonate using grenades... its harder for an AJ, or at least riskier.

[knightshieldatr]

No, he is not pretentious. He just likes to win. The team is paramount in gold. A team that doesn't synergize and work together won't win on gold. Some people might not care about winning, but some of us do.

I have only recently dipped my feet into gold, but one person not meshing and working with the unit has always been the reason for a loss in the experiences I've had. 

Modifié par knightshieldatr, 02 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[MockingAsp]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

"Why I will not play golds with you"

Because you're super pretentious.

I loled

[Wyld Star]

/yawn

Just play SI or GI and it doesn't matter if you even HAVE team mates. You can solo every wave anyway.

[Arkley]

People who make these threads are never very good players. The real good players are the ones who don't give a rat's ass what the other players show up as, because they're already good enough to carry the team and just want to have fun. I play with guys who cheer on my harpoon-wielding Batarian Sentinel (I'm a terrible sniper, btw) while they charge headlong into Atlas as Drell Vanguards. We still trash Gold in 20~25 minutes. When randoms drop in as Human Soldiers and Krogan Sentinels and Quarian Engineers, we don't kick them 'cause we're still gonna win and we're still gonna have fun.

In short, people are bound to pour into this thread to call this tool an elitist, and they'll be wrong.

Because he isn't elite. He's so bad he can't beat Gold without everyone playing ideal classes with ideal builds, and his OP indicates he refuses to play otherwise. Sad

Modifié par Arkley, 02 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[Soggy-Snake-]

exelius_ wrote...

• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

So my Carnifex III on my Asari Adept doesn't cut it? I guess top scoring in a full extraction on Ghost/Gold/Reapers yesterday was some sort of fluke or glitch on my part?

Good luck finding anyone to play with.

[RaptorSolutions]

Arkley wrote...

People who make these threads are never very good players. The real good players are the ones who don't give a rat's ass what the other players show up as, because they're already good enough to carry the team and just want to have fun. I play with guys who cheer on my harpoon-wielding Batarian Sentinel (I'm a terrible sniper, btw) while they charge headlong into Atlas as Drell Vanguards. We still trash Gold in 20~25 minutes. When randoms drop in as Human Soldiers and Krogan Sentinels and Quarian Engineers, we don't kick them 'cause we're still gonna win and we're still gonna have fun.

In short, people are bound to pour into this thread to call this tool and elitist, and they'll be wrong.

Because he isn't elite.

Rofl

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Funny, I was just looking at another thread about the same kind of dumb prejudice crap. 

It appears Gold brings out the elitist in people.

Edit: As per the post above, I agree he isnt elite. He's just acting that way ;] 

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 02 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[exelius_]

BanditGR wrote...

I have done Reactor Reapers as a Batarian Soldier with a level 18 Infiltrator, a level 20 Infiltrator and a level 20 engineer in a bit under half and hour. And I outscored them. I've have had similar experience on Glacier Reapers (Human Soldier, Batarian Soldier, SE, GI). I could probably sit here and bring you examples (including but not limited to Krogan classes) that completely destroy your argument that biotic combos are absolutely necessary for Random/Random/Gold. So I will say this (protip btw) : "reapers on a small map means you better have a competent team."

Yep. But again, do you feel it's safe to assume people in public lobbies are competent?