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[Rahabzu]

Gold isn't even hard if you pay attention and work together.. you don't need the PERFECT OPTIMAL TEAM.

[exelius_]

Rahabzu wrote...

Gold isn't even hard if you pay attention and work together.. you don't need the PERFECT OPTIMAL TEAM.

I'm not saying you should be rolling 3x AA 1x Justicar. But you should have at least 2 team members capable of comboing off eachother.

[Tec187]

brian_breed wrote...

exelius_ wrote...

the basic idea with gold randoms is that YOU CANNOT PLAY THE class YOU WANT IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE GROUP

Yup, he brings up quite a few valid points, this is definitely one of them.

[Tec187]

Rahabzu wrote...

Gold isn't even hard if you pay attention and work together.. you don't need the PERFECT OPTIMAL TEAM.

And how often is it you see great teamwork in PUG golds?

We are talking about RANDOM teams here, not "friends" playing together.
Even 2 friends can carry a gold - but in a PURE random gold lobby, this guy speaks the truth.

[kumquats]

draconian139 wrote...

Kumquats you've got me wanting to try a carnifex infiltrator... I'm assuming it can kill unshielded enemies from cloak with a headshot, is super light, and I could still use a melee damage mod. Definitely giving this a shot tomorrow.

I only need the Carnifex for killing an Atlas, the Falcon is the main weapon of my build.
So I come along with TWO weapons and one weapon even has the reputation of being crap after the patch.

No one kicked me with my GI, so I wonder if people look at the Level of the Weapons or only look which class you have.

On the other hand, I noticed that I get kicked with my Krogan Soldier, Claymore X. I'm perfectly fine if people don't want to take me with them, personaly I never look at the other teammates too close.
I mean if there is an Asari Adept, of course I switch to my Justicar....

I would play Gold with everyone with my GI, because I know I can pull more then my own weight. With the Krogan Soldier I need teammates who can balance my weaknesses.

[Hook-n-Swoop]

Arkley wrote...

People who make these threads are never very good players. The real good players are the ones who don't give a rat's ass what the other players show up as

I know I am a crappy player. That's why I have to choose the team that I know will synergize with my own abilites thus increasing the odds of a win for us all. If my gut says there will probably be only a few tech bursts or biotic explosions per round with this lobby's team combination, I'll just leave.

Nothing bad with that.

[CNevarezN]

kumquats wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Kumquats you've got me wanting to try a carnifex infiltrator... I'm assuming it can kill unshielded enemies from cloak with a headshot, is super light, and I could still use a melee damage mod. Definitely giving this a shot tomorrow.

I only need the Carnifex for killing an Atlas, the Falcon is the main weapon of my build.
So I come along with TWO weapons and one weapon even has the reputation of being crap after the patch.

No one kicked me with my GI, so I wonder if people look at the Level of the Weapons or only look which class you have.

On the other hand, I noticed that I get kicked with my Krogan Soldier, Claymore X. I'm perfectly fine if people don't want to take me with them, personaly I never look at the other teammates too close.
I mean if there is an Asari Adept, of course I switch to my Justicar....

I would play Gold with everyone with my GI, because I know I can pull more then my own weight. With the Krogan Soldier I need teammates who can balance my weaknesses.

 The Krogan Soldier is a one man wrecking crew. I always compliment others. How? Fire Explosions

[greghorvath]

Exactly how is reactor a small map?

[brian_breed]

greghorvath wrote...

Exactly how is reactor a small map?

It's all closed corridors. It's big in surface area, not in volume.

[Nocturnalfox]

I rarely use rares on gold...
I stick with my Mantis X when infiltrator or Carnifex IV when using space magic.

I don't have any N7's worth using yet either.

[exelius_]

greghorvath wrote...

Exactly how is reactor a small map?

Lots of obstructions mean that when you have to hole up for a hack objective, you have maybe 2 jumps before a banshee is right on top of you. If you're good, you have someone kiting the banshees around the map so your team can camp the hack area and complete the objective. If this is a random pub group, your team is probably dead in under 30 seconds.

[joker_jack]

brian_breed wrote...

greghorvath wrote...

Exactly how is reactor a small map?

It's all closed corridors. It's big in surface area, not in volume.

That map is the glitchiest for me. get alot of cerberus looking like they are stuck in mid air crane kick mode.

[CapnManx]

exelius_ wrote...

Rahabzu wrote...

Gold isn't even hard if you pay attention and work together.. you don't need the PERFECT OPTIMAL TEAM.

I'm not saying you should be rolling 3x AA 1x Justicar. But you should have at least 2 team members capable of comboing off eachother.

To what extent though?  Because that could mean anything.

For example, if you have cryo blast, then anybody with a GPS can work (as I understand it).  Heck, take incidiary rounds on any class with incinerate, and you have a perfectly reasonable one man combo right there.

I assume, however, that stuff like that would generally be considered insufficient.

[greghorvath]

exelius_ wrote...

the basic idea with gold randoms is that YOU CANNOT PLAY THE class YOU WANT IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE GROUP

This statement comes from the assumption that the team will function as a team. Most random games I have played (quite a few, actually), very seldom do you get people, even with combo-able classes, working together. This is for the very simple reason of not communicating. What I am trying to say is that most of the times, if there is no communication of some sort before, or at least during the game, very few random gold groups make it through.

As time progresses, I have noticed a degree of evolution though, more and more random groups seem to form a team of sorts after a few waves of running aimlessly around the map...

[GongStar]

All I need is my friend then the other 2 can play what they want, mostly...
What surprises me though is that your manifest aint impressive yet your being a super hardass. lol

Modifié par GongStar, 02 mai 2012 - 07:48 .

[Geist.H]

Glacier/Reactor/Dagger/White/Ghost ?

Play Batarian Soldier or Geth Engineer with Disruptor/Falcon = Carry team to victory with AoE melt.

Hydra ? Ask everyone to camp in the control room, ignore the noobs who don't listen and let them die, they will ragequit and open the slot for someone else or grow tired of dying on their own.

Condor ? Kit and kill, easy map.

Undergeared/poorly built players only make the game last longer, they do not prevent you to carry it.

A >lot< of people are complaining about players joining lobbies undergeared but are using gimmicky setup themselves (GPR Geth Engineer, sniper Adepts, "Weapon centered" Batarians, Revenant turian sentinel...) which, while they may be "working", still cripple your damage output/utility and extend the length of games.

Modifié par Geist.H, 02 mai 2012 - 07:49 .

[exelius_]

CapnManx wrote...

exelius_ wrote...

Rahabzu wrote...

Gold isn't even hard if you pay attention and work together.. you don't need the PERFECT OPTIMAL TEAM.

I'm not saying you should be rolling 3x AA 1x Justicar. But you should have at least 2 team members capable of comboing off eachother.

To what extent though?  Because that could mean anything.

For example, if you have cryo blast, then anybody with a GPS can work (as I understand it).  Heck, take incidiary rounds on any class with incinerate, and you have a perfectly reasonable one man combo right there.

I assume, however, that stuff like that would generally be considered insufficient.

We're talking public lobbies here. Cryo/fire bursts are harder to trigger, especially in a pub group where half the time someone will headshot your target with a Widow before you can get the burst off.

One-man combos are generally insufficient in golds because they're too slow. Ammo combos can work, but if you're the one doing them, you're probably the one carrying the team.

[NathanW18]

Eh, some of what the OP has suggested is fair. Whether that means he's a bad player or not, it doesn't matter. If I join a lobby and I feel like the team won't work too well together, I'll just leave. I don't want to waste the time I have playing, just to lose. I'm not skilled enough to carry a full team of bad players on gold.

I've met some good randoms in pubs that combo'd with me. It made things go so much smoother.

Modifié par NathanW18, 02 mai 2012 - 07:54 .

[exelius_]

GongStar wrote...

All I need is my friend then the other 2 can play what they want, mostly...
What surprises me though is that your manifest aint impressive yet your being a super hardass. lol

Heh I work all week and have a wife who needs attention, so I can't devote as much time as some to farm millions of credits for PSPs So I basically just don't let the time I can play be wasted.

[kumquats]

CNevarezN wrote...

 The Krogan Soldier is a one man wrecking crew. I always compliment others. How? Fire Explosions

Of course, but I just know that I'm not that good with him, that I just can't ignore if someone joins the Gold game with a human adept.
When I play with my GI, I don't care at all.

I mean I don't get people who only look at the N7 ranks, that's just BS.
But I don't understand why kicking on Gold is such a big deal.

[megawug]

Personally, I prefer the Avenger/GPR X over Carnifax for my AA.  If there's time to aim, then I'm not spamming powers often enough.  IMHO, the gun for the AA is just for her to hold during a photo shoot.

[OniEdge]

So an N7 Valiant I, Black Widow I, Widow I, Claymore I, or Javelin I are too low level for you?

Ok...

Also, some of those "randoms" you might be grouping with are people on these forums. Why wouldn't at least SOME of them be competent? By your same logic, why should I believe you're competent?

Modifié par OniEdge, 02 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[Thongsy]

All I play is PUGs and generally roll a Drell Adept now. Sure it would be better to have another Adept to combo with but it's not needed. Actually in fact when there is another Adept they rarely actually ever combo with me. I just reave everything and set off my own explosions with cluster grenades. So I'm running around like a madman before each round to get three grenades back. I'm usually first or second in my matches. But I do agree with you, it does take finding the right team and if I don't see it I'll leave. It doesn't have to be perfect but if you're lacking in weapons or something, at least use some equipment, ammo, etc. It'll show you're invested in the match and will do what it takes to help it succeed.

[DoorKicker]

 I agree everyone deserves to enjoy the game in the manner they choose - that includes not queueing up with groups that look like they're going to require an unreasonable amount of work to pull off the win. 

OP's post maybe be overbearing but consider the other extreme - you queue up with equipment and find yourself trying to solo gold because your team not only doesn't carry their weight but forces spawns and collapses your flank.

At that point you get to label yourself a "tryhard" burning consumables or just accept the waste of equipment by lying down and dying because it's not worth the effort to carry 2-3 bad players to an undeserved gold payoff.

When you're in a solid group of 4 you can goof off with funky builds and class combos, please don't solo queue on gold and expect the group to carry that wonky build for you.

Modifié par DoorKicker, 02 mai 2012 - 08:07 .

[Nonoru]

You don't need biotic explosions to beat Gold easily.

I understand what you say OP, but you're pushing it too far.