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[Tec187]

axewood wrote...

u are really full of your self..vanguards ok, coz it's annoying to revive them all the time., and your saying about weapons.. half of your weapons are not lvl 10..nothing to say there..
And for random gold players, i play random and i got pretty good players, always full extraction..so yea u are full of your self..

You play PUG golds and "always get full extraction"?

Right, your post is awesome and not at all full of BS.

[Shakuua]

OP has a point, but it also shows him/her up as an inflexible player. Only pros can carry a non-perfect team. Yes it takes longer than 20 minutes, but it's also fun. And every gold player has to start somewhere.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Some of the stuff you write in your OP pretty much tells me you are mediocre/bad at the game, I wouldn't want to play with you either.



"A team on gold without some form of combo won't make it past wave 7. If you're lucky you'll get reapers and they'll decimate you on wave 3. I can't tell you how many completely unviable groups I see in public Random/Random/Golds. There is no such thing as an unviable class, but Soldier/Soldier/Infiltrator plus me in a gold is probably not gonna be too successful."

Ever played with a group of a decent infiltrators? lol. You don't need combos to beat gold reapers.

Me and a friend beat gold reapers on Glacier yesterday with the 2 of us playing batarian soldiers, he was using a viper (>_<), I was using a wraith. We also had a level 10 turian soldier with a revenant and a krogan vanguard, albeit with a gps, on our team.

[Geist.H]

Me and a friend beat gold reapers on Glacier yesterday with the 2 of us playing batarian soldiers, he was using a viper (>_<), I was using a wraith. We also had a level 10 turian soldier with a revenant and a krogan vanguard, albeit with a gps, on our team.

Wraith Batarian Soldier, 'nuff said.

/Brofist

[Yumi50]

I only leave if they play a character with lv below 14, doesn't matter about weapon or class.

[Chrumpek]

OP, gold is easy, you can play it with whatever, whoever now and still get 75k creds....

[PluralAces]

YOU ARE NOT READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PluralAces]

exelius_ wrote...

I queue for gold on random pretty much exclusively. I have pretty good success with it too; unless I get a crappy combination like Reactor or White with Reapers (protip: reapers on a small map means you better have a killer biotic team.) The reason for this is that I'm picky with my groups.

I don't really care about your N7 rating. What a low N7 rating makes me do is check your weapons. If you're trying to run a gold with a Mantis II or an Avenger IV, you obviously don't know what you're in for and you should run a bunch of silvers and get some better weapons. You need good weapons to run golds, and you need high levels of them to make sure they do enough damage to kill things and don't destroy your cooldowns.

Other reasons I will not team with you in a public group:

• Asari Adept snipers. Sorry, this tactic may be ok on silvers, and you may get top score on golds if you have a team that can run CC for you, but AAs should be detonating explosions. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. If I see an AA with a Carnifex, I will immediately switch to Justicar so you can ignite for me. Likewise, if I see a Justicar, I'll switch to my AA with a Carnifex.
• Krogan Sentinels/Soldiers on a random. Sorry, Krogan have too many weaknesses that you become a liability if the map and/or enemy type are wrong. You're totally welcome if we're playing Geth or Cerberus on the right map though.
• Vanguards with the wrong weapon. You need 200% cooldown reduction (unless you are Krogan, then a GPS X is forgivable.) Given your other restrictions, that means you need a shotgun. Given how heavy most shotguns are, that usually means a Disciple or Scimitar. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. They are just better at it.
• Groups without the possibility of tech/biotic combos. This is probably the main reason I drop groups, to be honest. When I see a Random/Random/Gold and the other 3 people are a Salarian Infiltrator, a Human Infiltrator, and a Turian Soldier... just no. It's not going to happen. None of you obviously understand how combos on gold work.
• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

Anyway, the basic idea with gold randoms is that YOU CANNOT PLAY THE class YOU WANT IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE GROUP. You need to have some sort of synergy with at least one of your teammates. If you see your teammates are an Asari Adept and a Salarian Engineer? Pull out your Turain Sentinel and Overload and Warp everything. See 2 Asari Adepts? Pull out your Justicar and Reave the night away. Team has biotics and/or tech burst covered? Feel free to bust out your Soldier or Infiltrator and pop heads until the round is over.

A team on gold without some form of combo won't make it past wave 7. If you're lucky you'll get reapers and they'll decimate you on wave 3. I can't tell you how many completely unviable groups I see in public Random/Random/Golds. There is no such thing as an unviable class, but Soldier/Soldier/Infiltrator plus me in a gold is probably not gonna be too successful.

cool story bro  

[Wesus]

[Shock n Awe]

Combos/bursts aren't necessary. I've played all infiltrator games/mostly infiltrators and a soldier and some of them have been the smoothest games I've played.

[Elecbender]

LOL I've beaten Reapers on Gold with a Batarian Soldier using a Scorpion, my teammates were an Asari Vanguard with an Avenger, Geth Engineer with a Geth Pulse Rifle and a Krogan Vanguard with a Black Widow and Geth Plasma Shotgun.

All you need are teammates who know what they're doing and are confident in their builds.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

I wouldn't play with a wannabe pro like you anyway, so it's okay.

[kingtrouble]

exelius_ wrote...

• Asari Adept snipers. Sorry, this tactic may be ok on silvers, and you may get top score on golds if you have a team that can run CC for you, but AAs should be detonating explosions. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. If I see an AA with a Carnifex, I will immediately switch to Justicar so you can ignite for me. Likewise, if I see a Justicar, I'll switch to my AA with a Carnifex.
• Krogan Sentinels/Soldiers on a random. Sorry, Krogan have too many weaknesses that you become a liability if the map and/or enemy type are wrong. You're totally welcome if we're playing Geth or Cerberus on the right map though.
• Vanguards with the wrong weapon. You need 200% cooldown reduction (unless you are Krogan, then a GPS X is forgivable.) Given your other restrictions, that means you need a shotgun. Given how heavy most shotguns are, that usually means a Disciple or Scimitar. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. They are just better at it.
• Groups without the possibility of tech/biotic combos. This is probably the main reason I drop groups, to be honest. When I see a Random/Random/Gold and the other 3 people are a Salarian Infiltrator, a Human Infiltrator, and a Turian Soldier... just no. It's not going to happen. None of you obviously understand how combos on gold work.
• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

Point 1: I laughed, since you can carry a sniper and still carry 180%+ CD
Point 2: I laughed even more, means your not good enough to carry people
Point 3: I laughed since having 200% cd only really applies to Human Vanguards
Point 4: I laughed again since while tech and biotic combos are nice they aren't really neccisarry, there just an extra bonus. 
Point 5: See the trend by now? 

Modifié par kingtrouble, 02 mai 2012 - 03:08 .

[tetsutsuru]

exelius_ wrote...

I queue for gold on random pretty much exclusively. I have pretty good success with it too; unless I get a crappy combination like Reactor or White with Reapers (protip: reapers on a small map means you better have a killer biotic team.) The reason for this is that I'm picky with my groups.

I don't really care about your N7 rating. What a low N7 rating makes me do is check your weapons. If you're trying to run a gold with a Mantis II or an Avenger IV, you obviously don't know what you're in for and you should run a bunch of silvers and get some better weapons. You need good weapons to run golds, and you need high levels of them to make sure they do enough damage to kill things and don't destroy your cooldowns.

Other reasons I will not team with you in a public group:

• Asari Adept snipers. Sorry, this tactic may be ok on silvers, and you may get top score on golds if you have a team that can run CC for you, but AAs should be detonating explosions. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. If I see an AA with a Carnifex, I will immediately switch to Justicar so you can ignite for me. Likewise, if I see a Justicar, I'll switch to my AA with a Carnifex.
  
• Krogan Sentinels/Soldiers on a random. Sorry, Krogan have too many weaknesses that you become a liability if the map and/or enemy type are wrong. You're totally welcome if we're playing Geth or Cerberus on the right map though.
  
• Vanguards with the wrong weapon. You need 200% cooldown reduction (unless you are Krogan, then a GPS X is forgivable.) Given your other restrictions, that means you need a shotgun. Given how heavy most shotguns are, that usually means a Disciple or Scimitar. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. They are just better at it.
  
• Groups without the possibility of tech/biotic combos. This is probably the main reason I drop groups, to be honest. When I see a Random/Random/Gold and the other 3 people are a Salarian Infiltrator, a Human Infiltrator, and a Turian Soldier... just no. It's not going to happen. None of you obviously understand how combos on gold work.
  
• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

Anyway, the basic idea with gold randoms is that YOU CANNOT PLAY THE class YOU WANT IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE GROUP. You need to have some sort of synergy with at least one of your teammates. If you see your teammates are an Asari Adept and a Salarian Engineer? Pull out your Turain Sentinel and Overload and Warp everything. See 2 Asari Adepts? Pull out your Justicar and Reave the night away. Team has biotics and/or tech burst covered? Feel free to bust out your Soldier or Infiltrator and pop heads until the round is over.

A team on gold without some form of combo won't make it past wave 7. If you're lucky you'll get reapers and they'll decimate you on wave 3. I can't tell you how many completely unviable groups I see in public Random/Random/Golds. There is no such thing as an unviable class, but Soldier/Soldier/Infiltrator plus me in a gold is probably not gonna be too successful.

Good.  One less elitist teammate to worry about.

Personally, I don't care about N7 ratings, class specialization, or weapons loadout.  The only thing that matters to me is HOW you play as a part of a team to ensure objectives and team survivability.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 02 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[The Protheans]

Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

Gold is pretty easy, you must be pretty bad if you need an ultra-rare to do ok in Gold.

[molecularman]

Oh the people here pretending they don't have any criteria for the randoms they play with. The op went too far with some things but his main point is still valid if you want to beat gold with some certainty. Unless you are one of those people who can/want to solo 4-player hacking waves

[XFactor777]

Wow smh for OP if he weren't a complete idiot I'd feel bad for him

[TheRealDingo]

The most important thing on gold is having teammates who know how to stay alive. If they run into a pack of enemies halfway across the stage from the team and need to be revived constantly, then they are effectively useless and a detriment. In all honesty, I've had much better luck finding competent people in gold lobbies than in the silver ones. You don't need to have high level weapons or mods, you just need situational awareness and the ability to actually work with your team. It's really not that hard to beat gold if you play it right.

[Catastrophy]

Pshaw! I can see some points in your post, OP. But if you don't wanna play with me - tsk - I'll play with all der ozzers.

[kingtrouble]

molecularman wrote...

Oh the people here pretending they don't have any criteria for the randoms they play with. The op went too far with some things but his main point is still valid if you want to beat gold with some certainty. Unless you are one of those people who can/want to solo 4-player hacking waves

It's not hard... Doing gold seems like a choore now if you don't go in with handicaps. 

[Geist.H]

One of my smoothest game on hydra was a Batarian/Melee Krogan combo with Cryo Falcon Asari Justicar and Drell Adept with Paladin against Reapers.

Batarian initiates with Ballistic Blade, Krogan follows up with Inferno grenade, trash is headbutted, the Batarian Falcon punch tough ones under the asari justicar bubble who is busy freezing/stunlocking marauders/cannibals trying to snipe.

The Drell detonated the justicar bubble/reave and dealt with a few ravagers from far with his Paladin, he added burst damage with cluster grenades but pretty much played like a "sniper adept" using the Justicar frozen target instead of Stasis.

We all waited for banshee to lose their "blue aura" then just meleed the crap outta them, they never lasted more than a few seconds with krogan/batarian heavy melee spam and clusternades. The few deathgrab attempts were cancelled by biotic explosions.

Game lasted 19 minutes or so.

Batarian was top, followed by the drell, the Justicar was last but her bubble and Cryo control were probably the cornerstone of our success.

Melee Batarian Soldier/Melee Krogan Soldier/Sniper Drell Adept/Falcon Justicar.

Personally, I don't care about N7 ratings, class specialization or weapons loadout. The only thing that matters is HOW you play as a part of a team to ensure objectives and team survivability.

This sums it up, if you are not confident in your randoms, just get ready to carry them: Play safe, save your consumables and use your mic, I have turned many "fail" games just by asking politely people to do X or Y, if you top-score they will rarely ignore you.

[BioSpirit]

I played a gold game with level 1 Asari Adept carrying a Widow during the weekend operation and she did carry her weight. Mission succesfull, easy run even-if it didn't look too good in the lobby.

But I do agree about the krogans. Krogan in gold lobby = Mission Failed especially if he's the only krogan in the game. Krogans usually tend to go in close combat and when they get downed they are in a bad position to be revived. Also, a melee against a banshee doesn't usually end-up well.

I had a game a few days ago and there was krogan battle master player N7>400. So, I thought if he will carry atleast half of his weight then we will success. Therefore, I gave him a chance. The guy was one-hit-killed by a banshee about 5 times in the game and he scored 18831 in gold which was 9% of total XP. Mission Failed wave 9.

Modifié par BioSpirit, 02 mai 2012 - 03:40 .

[january42]

Shock n Awe wrote...

Combos/bursts aren't necessary. I've played all infiltrator games/mostly infiltrators and a soldier and some of them have been the smoothest games I've played.

Without combo's or infiltrators a group tends to have a noticable lack of firepower.  It's only really killer on smaller maps(Glacier/White).

A group that isn't used to playing together is unlikely to be able to overcome it however.

[molecularman]

@Kingtrouble, many gold players ARE handicaps More than 2 of them is pretty bad if you want to win, I'm sure that's why op posted this

[kingtrouble]

molecularman wrote...

@Kingtrouble, many gold players ARE handicaps More than 2 of them is pretty bad if you want to win, I'm sure that's why op posted this

Piff, only reason to do it with randoms is for the entertainment and /facepalm value. Over the weekend, I can't count the number of times I had to solo the higher waves because of people dying to stupid reason.