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[tMc Tallgeese]

If you're going to kick someone, kick them. Trying to justify it implies you feel bad for doing so and in some cases wish you hadn't. I kick people all the time. Sometimes it is just trying to get a friend in and sometimes it's just Wednesday.

[Elecbender]

Kawika18 wrote...

Biotic/Tech combos aren't everything. I've been playing 4x Geth Infiltrator lately and with some pretty solid players and we've been doing great. We managed reapers just fine, although not quite as easy as when we played them with 3xbiotics and 1 infiltrator. Against Cerberus or Geth, though, an infiltrator team seems to dominate compared to anything else (16-18 minute games on Hydra and White, at least).

So don't be so quick to judge based on composition. There were 3 of us at one point, and we had a random guy come in as an infiltrator, see 3 other infiltrators against Cerberus, then scoff and leave. Maybe open up your mic and see if you can start a conversation to get a better idea of who you're dealing with? There are several very effective ways to play this game, and a few of them don't involve biotics.

All four of you launch your Proximity Mines at a Banshee while Cloaked and shoot.

Only time I've seen a Banshee die faster is from 2 Cloaked headshots from a Kishock.

[Zoheb]

I play almost exclusively Gold. The only time I back out of a lobby is when I see players with an N7100+ ganging up on a low level N7, trying to kick him/her. If the kick is successful, I leave. I have no desire to play with people like that. I love playing with low level N7's on Gold. I love playing Gold with teams that don't make sense.

Last weekend I had to carry a number of low level N7's on their first Gold outings due to the Operation Weekend. Even though they made hilarious mistakes and kept charging off and not staying together and dieing on the other side of the map, I did not leave or kick them. What would they learn from that? Nothing. There was 1 match I could not quite carry though. The host was a low level N7 on his first Gold outing. As soon as I entered the lobby, he asked me to switch to Infilitrator. I tried to explain my Asari Vanguard with Statis + Paladin X would be just as good against Cerberus as I only need 3 shots to kill Phantoms, 2 for Nemesis/Centurion/Engineer and 1 for everything else. The only enemies I can't handle on my own with that build are the big enemies such as Geth Prime, Brute, Banshee and Atlas. For some reason he switched to Krogan Vanguard on his first Gold outing.

We started Firebase Reactor and made it quite far, but got downed on the final few waves. Same thing when we tried Firebase White. What was the problem? He did not know how what not to do on Gold. He did not know Phantoms had Ion Cannons in their hands and was genuinely surprised when he got taken down by Phantoms from range (Cue hilarious laughter from me and explaining to him what Phantoms can do ). He did not know turrets on Gold = death on sight. I tried to do the best I could to get us through that game and every single time I was the only 1 left standing, surrounded by Phantoms and Atlasses and turrets, ending in my inevitable death. Did I quit? Did I rage? No. I had fun. It was good to give that guy a taste of Gold even though I could not help him with the Operation.

So OP, people like you are the reason I leave lobbies. Not low level N7 players who have no idea how to play the game but are willing to learn.

[KainD]

Elecbender wrote...

All four of you launch your Proximity Mines at a Banshee while Cloaked and shoot.

Only time I've seen a Banshee die faster is from 2 Cloaked headshots from a Kishock.

You mean boobshots. 

[kingtrouble]

KainD wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

All four of you launch your Proximity Mines at a Banshee while Cloaked and shoot.

Only time I've seen a Banshee die faster is from 2 Cloaked headshots from a Kishock.

You mean boobshots. 

No headshots, Kishocks do more damge if they land a head shot on a target. 

[RedJohn]

exelius_ wrote...

I queue for gold on random pretty much exclusively. I have pretty good success with it too; unless I get a crappy combination like Reactor or White with Reapers (protip: reapers on a small map means you better have a killer biotic team.) The reason for this is that I'm picky with my groups.

I don't really care about your N7 rating. What a low N7 rating makes me do is check your weapons. If you're trying to run a gold with a Mantis II or an Avenger IV, you obviously don't know what you're in for and you should run a bunch of silvers and get some better weapons. You need good weapons to run golds, and you need high levels of them to make sure they do enough damage to kill things and don't destroy your cooldowns.

Other reasons I will not team with you in a public group:

• Asari Adept snipers. Sorry, this tactic may be ok on silvers, and you may get top score on golds if you have a team that can run CC for you, but AAs should be detonating explosions. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. If I see an AA with a Carnifex, I will immediately switch to Justicar so you can ignite for me. Likewise, if I see a Justicar, I'll switch to my AA with a Carnifex.
• Krogan Sentinels/Soldiers on a random. Sorry, Krogan have too many weaknesses that you become a liability if the map and/or enemy type are wrong. You're totally welcome if we're playing Geth or Cerberus on the right map though.
• Vanguards with the wrong weapon. You need 200% cooldown reduction (unless you are Krogan, then a GPS X is forgivable.) Given your other restrictions, that means you need a shotgun. Given how heavy most shotguns are, that usually means a Disciple or Scimitar. If you want to snipe, play an infiltrator. They are just better at it.
  

Err, this is totally wrong.

You don't need the 200% cooldown and I consider that those are not excuses to not play with a player, because everyone has a different way to play and if someones plays different than you that does not mean that the player is bad.

Believe me, sometimes is good to think out of the box and put these "excuses" to not play gold with a player for X or Y reason is not clever.

I can deal with gold with only 61% cooldown, the thing is learn how to use the powers, only noobs thinks that 200% is necesary to play gold. 


So man, do not be a noob and open your mind, players play in different ways, just accept them, do not judge without play with others.

[spirosz]

Krogan Vanguard on Gold is a solid choice.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Zoheb wrote...

I play almost exclusively Gold. The only time I back out of a lobby is when I see players with an N7100+ ganging up on a low level N7, trying to kick him/her. If the kick is successful, I leave. I have no desire to play with people like that. I love playing with low level N7's on Gold. I love playing Gold with teams that don't make sense.

Last weekend I had to carry a number of low level N7's on their first Gold outings due to the Operation Weekend. Even though they made hilarious mistakes and kept charging off and not staying together and dieing on the other side of the map, I did not leave or kick them. What would they learn from that? Nothing. There was 1 match I could not quite carry though. The host was a low level N7 on his first Gold outing. As soon as I entered the lobby, he asked me to switch to Infilitrator. I tried to explain my Asari Vanguard with Statis + Paladin X would be just as good against Cerberus as I only need 3 shots to kill Phantoms, 2 for Nemesis/Centurion/Engineer and 1 for everything else. The only enemies I can't handle on my own with that build are the big enemies such as Geth Prime, Brute, Banshee and Atlas. For some reason he switched to Krogan Vanguard on his first Gold outing.

We started Firebase Reactor and made it quite far, but got downed on the final few waves. Same thing when we tried Firebase White. What was the problem? He did not know how what not to do on Gold. He did not know Phantoms had Ion Cannons in their hands and was genuinely surprised when he got taken down by Phantoms from range (Cue hilarious laughter from me and explaining to him what Phantoms can do ). He did not know turrets on Gold = death on sight. I tried to do the best I could to get us through that game and every single time I was the only 1 left standing, surrounded by Phantoms and Atlasses and turrets, ending in my inevitable death. Did I quit? Did I rage? No. I had fun. It was good to give that guy a taste of Gold even though I could not help him with the Operation.

So OP, people like you are the reason I leave lobbies. Not low level N7 players who have no idea how to play the game but are willing to learn.

I completely agree dude. 

Whenever I host a gold map and a low-leval N7 player joins, everyone is so quick to want to kick them(as if it were some mental tick that they cant get rid of). I mean first off, its a number on a screen; it doesnt trump actual skill.And if they havent played Gold then at least give 'em a chance ppl. If they have a mic then I explain to them what Gold is like first so they know what to expect,and I dont demand that they do well. Hey they're learning. What matters is having fun in the end.(that is what games are about...right?)   

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 02 mai 2012 - 05:31 .

[HellbirdIV]

Arkley wrote...

People who make these threads are never very good players. The real good players are the ones who don't give a rat's ass what the other players show up as, because they're already good enough to carry the team and just want to have fun. I play with guys who cheer on my harpoon-wielding Batarian Sentinel (I'm a terrible sniper, btw) while they charge headlong into Atlas as Drell Vanguards. We still trash Gold in 20~25 minutes. When randoms drop in as Human Soldiers and Krogan Sentinels and Quarian Engineers, we don't kick them 'cause we're still gonna win and we're still gonna have fun.

In short, people are bound to pour into this thread to call this tool an elitist, and they'll be wrong.

Because he isn't elite. He's so bad he can't beat Gold without everyone playing ideal classes with ideal builds, and his OP indicates he refuses to play otherwise. Sad

Quoted for truth.

[bahamutomega]

nice post OP. i don't queue for golds because too often, i see the same thing happening. i'll let an N7 2 play if i see they have an M-8 X, or Mantis X, because it indicates to me that they have some clue as to what they are in for. if they are still an N7 2, however, they have the worst luck in existence, however, because they have obviously not picked up any character cards. i do check before i hit the kick button.

i try making sure i go into the weekends (even when the PS3 wasn't part of the challenges) with level 15 or higher characters just to make sure i have the right skill setup for the base skills (overload and incinerate for engineers, for example) for golds. golds are not for grinding unless you have a REALLY good trio of other players. outside of the weekends, i tend to promote and re-grind back to 15 - 17 for the next weekend.

and is it just me, or is the Reactor considered the most hated map in MP?

[Malkeor]

@Arkley
Owned! and you are absolutely correct!

[kingtrouble]

Reactor is only considered "hard" because the map is made where you don't have a consistent range of sight. And since people are too stupid too look around every 10 seconds or so people get easily overwhelmed

[tallinn]

kingtrouble wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think the main problem with Gold is reviving teammates. I think there's either a callous disregard for a downed teammate, or a too-quick revival in a lot of cases. If a teammate goes down, KILL WHAT TOOK HER DOWN, then revive her. Don't just rush over there in a hail of bullets and get yourself killed, only for her to stand up and get downed again immediately. And if you're near the end of a wave, maybe you just let her die if she's too exposed (and what was she doing out of cover anyway?)

Hey now. I enjoy rezzing people who die constantly just to see them die again. 

Yes, met you the other day. I tried to light up my cigarette or drink from my glass of whine when you came along to revive me in front of a turret. IF I DIE THERE I'M IN FOR A BREAK! Just leave me alone then.

[Badpanzer]

I will play with anyone on gold...I warn really low guys just in case they are there by mistake(usually are)but Im not fussed otherwise.
It makes for some short games sometimes but it can be fun and its great when you can pull it off in the end.
As an engineer I played the reactor on gold with 3xInfiltrators and we made it...which I did not think we would.
Weird teams are fun and a good way to learn.
You need to host your own game if you want the perfect team.

[JadenSkywalker8]

Karstedt wrote...

I will only play random golds if i hear people talking. Silence is my cue to exit.

amen

[bahamutomega]

kingtrouble wrote...

Reactor is only considered "hard" because the map is made where you don't have a consistent range of sight. And since people are too stupid too look around every 10 seconds or so people get easily overwhelmed

i look around a lot.  it's the inconsistent range of site that bugs the hell out of me.  but my primary is an infiltrator... go figure.  i like being able to shoot across empty spaces and kill **** before it gets that close.

[Elecbender]

KainD wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

All four of you launch your Proximity Mines at a Banshee while Cloaked and shoot.

Only time I've seen a Banshee die faster is from 2 Cloaked headshots from a Kishock.

You mean boobshots. 

No I've tested it.  Headshots with the Kishock against Banshees did far more damage than body shots.

[kingtrouble]

tallinn wrote...

kingtrouble wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think the main problem with Gold is reviving teammates. I think there's either a callous disregard for a downed teammate, or a too-quick revival in a lot of cases. If a teammate goes down, KILL WHAT TOOK HER DOWN, then revive her. Don't just rush over there in a hail of bullets and get yourself killed, only for her to stand up and get downed again immediately. And if you're near the end of a wave, maybe you just let her die if she's too exposed (and what was she doing out of cover anyway?)

Hey now. I enjoy rezzing people who die constantly just to see them die again. 

Yes, met you the other day. I tried to light up my cigarette or drink from my glass of whine when you came along to revive me in front of a turret. IF I DIE THERE I'M IN FOR A BREAK! Just leave me alone then.

I swear I did not see that message in the lower right hand cornor of my screen saying you got killed by a turret. 

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

Zoheb wrote...

I play almost exclusively Gold. The only time I back out of a lobby is when I see players with an N7100+ ganging up on a low level N7, trying to kick him/her. If the kick is successful, I leave. I have no desire to play with people like that. I love playing with low level N7's on Gold. I love playing Gold with teams that don't make sense.

Last weekend I had to carry a number of low level N7's on their first Gold outings due to the Operation Weekend. Even though they made hilarious mistakes and kept charging off and not staying together and dieing on the other side of the map, I did not leave or kick them. What would they learn from that? Nothing. There was 1 match I could not quite carry though. The host was a low level N7 on his first Gold outing. As soon as I entered the lobby, he asked me to switch to Infilitrator. I tried to explain my Asari Vanguard with Statis + Paladin X would be just as good against Cerberus as I only need 3 shots to kill Phantoms, 2 for Nemesis/Centurion/Engineer and 1 for everything else. The only enemies I can't handle on my own with that build are the big enemies such as Geth Prime, Brute, Banshee and Atlas. For some reason he switched to Krogan Vanguard on his first Gold outing.

We started Firebase Reactor and made it quite far, but got downed on the final few waves. Same thing when we tried Firebase White. What was the problem? He did not know how what not to do on Gold. He did not know Phantoms had Ion Cannons in their hands and was genuinely surprised when he got taken down by Phantoms from range (Cue hilarious laughter from me and explaining to him what Phantoms can do ). He did not know turrets on Gold = death on sight. I tried to do the best I could to get us through that game and every single time I was the only 1 left standing, surrounded by Phantoms and Atlasses and turrets, ending in my inevitable death. Did I quit? Did I rage? No. I had fun. It was good to give that guy a taste of Gold even though I could not help him with the Operation.

So OP, people like you are the reason I leave lobbies. Not low level N7 players who have no idea how to play the game but are willing to learn.

I agree with you for the most part, but sometimes I will go into a lobby, see that everyone is trying to kick an N7 20 asari adept rocking a kishock and a claymore. I will then attempt to tell them that they may want to try a different weapon setup or a lower difficulty. Often they leave, sometimes they stay and get destroyed a round in only to rage quit. But sometimes, you get someone who wants to get better and they will ask questions on what's the best setups for gold. For some reason, helping people out ends up being funner than the actual game!

[bahamutomega]

Badpanzer wrote...

I will play with anyone on gold...I warn really low guys just in case they are there by mistake(usually are)but Im not fussed otherwise.
It makes for some short games sometimes but it can be fun and its great when you can pull it off in the end.
As an engineer I played the reactor on gold with 3xInfiltrators and we made it...which I did not think we would.
Weird teams are fun and a good way to learn.
You need to host your own game if you want the perfect team.

i picked up a random pair on Saturday night for a gold (unknown map / Cerberus / gold).  they asked me about my builds (which i can certainly understand), asked me what i was going to play (19 geth engineer).

we gave the lowbies about 30 seconds after our warnings to equip better weapons.

the fact of the matter is, spending the time to empty a full magazine into an enemy on a gold will get you killed!!!

as i've said before - i have nothing against low level characters.  i happen to agree with the OP that given an (unknown / unknown / gold) situation, certain team builds are a prepared approach to making sure everyone survives.  as he said - he won't automatically drop from a gold game with nothing but low level characters; it's low level weapons he drops from.

[kingtrouble]

bahamutomega wrote...

i picked up a random pair on Saturday night for a gold (unknown map / Cerberus / gold).  they asked me about my builds (which i can certainly understand), asked me what i was going to play (19 geth engineer).

we gave the lowbies about 30 seconds after our warnings to equip better weapons.

the fact of the matter is, spending the time to empty a full magazine into an enemy on a gold will get you killed!!!

as i've said before - i have nothing against low level characters.  i happen to agree with the OP that given an (unknown / unknown / gold) situation, certain team builds are a prepared approach to making sure everyone survives.  as he said - he won't automatically drop from a gold game with nothing but low level characters; it's low level weapons he drops from.

My turian soldier does this and does fine thank you very much. 

[UKStory135]

R1cky Da Man 19 wrote...

exelius_ wrote...

• Low-level weapons. Sorry. If you're rocking anything below level IV that's not an ultra-rare, you're probably in over your head. Go farm some more silvers.

So you base some of your requirments on wether or not the rng has been kind to people?

Many people believe that looking at weapons is a better indicator of skill than N7 because it's not based on promoting.

[RedJohn]

Zoheb wrote...

I play almost exclusively Gold. The only time I back out of a lobby is when I see players with an N7100+ ganging up on a low level N7, trying to kick him/her. If the kick is successful, I leave. I have no desire to play with people like that. I love playing with low level N7's on Gold. I love playing Gold with teams that don't make sense.

Last weekend I had to carry a number of low level N7's on their first Gold outings due to the Operation Weekend. Even though they made hilarious mistakes and kept charging off and not staying together and dieing on the other side of the map, I did not leave or kick them. What would they learn from that? Nothing. There was 1 match I could not quite carry though. The host was a low level N7 on his first Gold outing. As soon as I entered the lobby, he asked me to switch to Infilitrator. I tried to explain my Asari Vanguard with Statis + Paladin X would be just as good against Cerberus as I only need 3 shots to kill Phantoms, 2 for Nemesis/Centurion/Engineer and 1 for everything else. The only enemies I can't handle on my own with that build are the big enemies such as Geth Prime, Brute, Banshee and Atlas. For some reason he switched to Krogan Vanguard on his first Gold outing.

We started Firebase Reactor and made it quite far, but got downed on the final few waves. Same thing when we tried Firebase White. What was the problem? He did not know how what not to do on Gold. He did not know Phantoms had Ion Cannons in their hands and was genuinely surprised when he got taken down by Phantoms from range (Cue hilarious laughter from me and explaining to him what Phantoms can do ). He did not know turrets on Gold = death on sight. I tried to do the best I could to get us through that game and every single time I was the only 1 left standing, surrounded by Phantoms and Atlasses and turrets, ending in my inevitable death. Did I quit? Did I rage? No. I had fun. It was good to give that guy a taste of Gold even though I could not help him with the Operation.

So OP, people like you are the reason I leave lobbies. Not low level N7 players who have no idea how to play the game but are willing to learn.

100% Agree, that happened to me too.

I do not care about N7 because I was playing gold with N7 35, so, N7 is totally meaningless.
l like to teach others how to play gold, I always try to explain them what things they shouldn't do, I also dont care about carry the whole team because they can learn, I can solo gold, so, if they die i can handle myself and they can watch how to play in that difficulty.


So guys, do not kick people because of their N7 or their cooldows, that is ridiculus because I could run a solo gold with 61% cooldown in reactor, with an asari vanguard ( down in my signature ), so, it's like i said up there, people plays in different ways.

[Badpanzer]

bahamutomega wrote...

Badpanzer wrote...

I will play with anyone on gold...I warn really low guys just in case they are there by mistake(usually are)but Im not fussed otherwise.
It makes for some short games sometimes but it can be fun and its great when you can pull it off in the end.
As an engineer I played the reactor on gold with 3xInfiltrators and we made it...which I did not think we would.
Weird teams are fun and a good way to learn.
You need to host your own game if you want the perfect team.

i picked up a random pair on Saturday night for a gold (unknown map / Cerberus / gold).  they asked me about my builds (which i can certainly understand), asked me what i was going to play (19 geth engineer).

we gave the lowbies about 30 seconds after our warnings to equip better weapons.

the fact of the matter is, spending the time to empty a full magazine into an enemy on a gold will get you killed!!!

as i've said before - i have nothing against low level characters.  i happen to agree with the OP that given an (unknown / unknown / gold) situation, certain team builds are a prepared approach to making sure everyone survives.  as he said - he won't automatically drop from a gold game with nothing but low level characters; it's low level weapons he drops from.

Well I will be honest and say that if I think they have a really weird weapon set(2xheavy on adept)I will remove any equipment before playing.
Might also be a bit stingy about medigel if it looks like a massacre in game.

[tfoltz]

Zoheb wrote...

I play almost exclusively Gold. The only time I back out of a lobby is when I see players with an N7100+ ganging up on a low level N7, trying to kick him/her. If the kick is successful, I leave. I have no desire to play with people like that. I love playing with low level N7's on Gold. I love playing Gold with teams that don't make sense....

It must be nice to have all ultrarare weapons and items maxed and have absolutely no reason to care if you get the money for successfully completing a map.